TS: Sleater Kinney's "Call the Doctor" vs Sleater Kinney's "Dig Me Out"

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The acronyms on ILXOR are *killing* me. What's FAP? I don't appreciate "in-joke" humor and odds are I'd have no clue what those lesbians were talking about either, Matos.
P.S. I have no idea why I said "I *even* like 'Get Up.' " Please disregard the "even." I can't be perfect all the time, damnit.

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Friday, 18 April 2003 13:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fap = "Fancy a Pint" = ILX regional meetup.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 18 April 2003 13:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Don't worry, Jeanne. You'll be at one soon enough.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

I would have never have figured FAP out. I'm usually good at acronyms, too. Thanks for the enlightenment.

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Friday, 18 April 2003 14:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ah, I just meant you are all over the 'net, on all sorts of S-K (or just music) related sites...

― John 2, Friday, 18 April 2003 19:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jeanne, my birthday party doubled as a FAP, so you have been to one before.

― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 19 April 2003 00:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...

Hey Di, EXCUSE 17! As far as the thread I GUESS CTD cos its good bits are better, but side two is pretty patchy and DMO is kinda better overall but sadly features emo anthems "Buy Her Candy" and "Jenny". Everyone should diss the s/t, though yelling for "A Real Man" live was fucking funny. To us. We were drunk. On their beers, actually.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Monday, 19 May 2003 12:49 (twenty years ago) link

I've always found Call The Doctor, Dig Me Out and The wildly underrated Hot Rock make a hell of a trilogy, no one part less crucial than any other. Call the Doctor feels like the first fully functional post-rio grrrl album anyone made, Dig Me Out refines the aesthetic into a spotless collection, and the Hot Rock experiments with skills and sounds they've already mastered. I adore all three like children: for completely different reasons, all equally.

― Joe Gross, Monday, 19 May 2003 12:58 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...

hahaha assdrew i am still annoyed they didn't play Fuckin A.

i listen to dig me out a lot more at the moment cos its the only sleater-kinney album that i haven't lsitened to way too much. but i still say call the doctor is better. another clincher - laura's haunting backing vocals on songs like taste test.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Saturday, 20 September 2003 23:03 (twenty years ago) link

Was anyone else mystified when Greil "Sleater-Kinney's publicist" Marcus dissed One Beat? What was he listening too?

I LUV them all, but would currently rank them like this:

1. One Beat
2. Dig Me Out
3/4. Call the Doctor/The Hot Rock (tie)
5. All Hands on the Bad One
6. Sleater-Kinney

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Saturday, 20 September 2003 23:25 (twenty years ago) link

I wasn't wrong on this thread, but my preferences have changed - One Beat is my clear fave now, Dig Me Out second.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 21 September 2003 00:20 (twenty years ago) link

christ, greil marcus really can't win, can he? if he praises sleater-kinney, it's "oh write about someone else for once you old perv!" and if he criticizes them it's "whatta jerk, how dare he say that?"

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 21 September 2003 05:48 (twenty years ago) link

1 - One Beat
2 - Call The Doctor
3 - Dig Me Out
4 - All Hands on the Bad One
5- The Hot Rock
6 - Sleater-Kinney

(but they're all pretty great).

I was severely disappointed in One Beat when it came out, I played it a bit this spring, but I found it in a misplaced binder this week, and there are just no bad songs on it.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 21 September 2003 06:39 (twenty years ago) link

I think Dig Me Out has more striking songs on it - that stand out and make you go "wow," - but as an entire album from start to finish, Call the Doctor still seems to harbor the power of an avalanche clobbering you continuously, since I don't think there are any sub-par or flow-destroying songs on it, which imo is just not true for DMO. Yes CtD lacks "fun songs" and may seen unbalanced (compared to latter day SK), but it has this uninterrupted intensity that really does it for me, a visceral force that flows really well, and I don't really care who's drumming. It still seems like their most coherent, powerful musical/political statement from start to finish and the sequencing also really works for whatever reason; it seems timeless.
That's my opinion; my own ranking is something like this at the moment even though this list is meaningless since the positions are kinda interchangeable - I like all four a lot, really:
1) Call the Doctor
2) All Hands (really underrated - textured songs like "Pompeii" were really nice)
3) One Beat
4) Dig Me Out

7) Hot Rock...(not that I dislike it, just didn't effect me as the others and I hardly ever isten to it, but should probably reinvestigate - I really liked the first half, but then it lost me, if I remember right)

― Vic (Vic), Sunday, 21 September 2003 07:01 (twenty years ago) link

hey vic, ctd has "wanna be your joey ramone", its fun!

But Corin didn't really get her voice under control fully until All Hands

personally i wish corin had NEVER had singing lessons, she used to sound much more expressive.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Sunday, 21 September 2003 07:17 (twenty years ago) link

I dunno, I think she's incredible on "Sympathy" and "Far Away," from One Beat.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 21 September 2003 07:21 (twenty years ago) link

yeah di, but joey ramone still seems to have the same "mood" as the other songs for me, like it doesn't sound out of place at all, you know? like a dark little fun song they put in there that still has a point; it doesn;t break the flow of the record. actually all of their albums sound pretty coherent (well the last two a lot of contrasts, I guess), but say, "little babies" still is very different mood-wise from "jenny" - at least to me. ok i'm babbling, i'll stop. if there are any two songs on call the doctor that i skip when i play it, it's the title track and joey ramone actually - the ones that everyone else really likes!

― Vic (Vic), Sunday, 21 September 2003 07:29 (twenty years ago) link

I just find the Marcus thing inexplicable. I don't understand how he could be so head-over-heels for them and then when One Beat comes out -- which I think is their best but which is almost certainly in the same ballpark as their best -- he acts like its a grand disappointment. If he'd written the same stuff about All Hands on the Band One, I wouldn't have been perplexed.

Inspired to listen to the first one again for the first time in a few years -- maybe I should bump it up over All Hands on the list above.

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Sunday, 21 September 2003 14:21 (twenty years ago) link

Justyn I feel justified in disliking him cos A) if can dislike "One Beat" as strongly as he seems to in relation to the others he's a gimp ("All Hands" is much worse, for a start), and B) he doesn't like the Fall

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 21 September 2003 14:29 (twenty years ago) link

How odd it seems to me that SK are now the Grande Auld Dammes of Rokk Un Rolls...

― ModJ, Sunday, 21 September 2003 15:08 (twenty years ago) link

Was anyone else mystified when Greil "Sleater-Kinney's publicist" Marcus dissed One Beat? What was he listening too?

First thing he did in a million years that DIDN'T irritate me. Though he was rather vague about why he didn't like it, probably cuz he would have to admit he had overrated AHOTBO. Though he apologized recently by pitching woo about how great Corin's duet with Eddie Vedder on "Hunger Strike" live was. If he's gonna praise her Chris Cornell covers than he's still an insane hyper-fan.

I still adore the Call/Dig/Hot troika. And there's some great songs on the later albums.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 21 September 2003 15:15 (twenty years ago) link

Okay maybe I'm all wrong about everything, since I just re-listened to a few of these albums while cleaning my bathroom and desperately trying to get rid of my mysterious fly-or-is-it-a-beetle problem before my relatives invade ma casa 2morrow, and well, One Beat sounds just so deep and accomplished and full-fleshed compared to the skeletal, sparse, somewhat-incomplete by comparison earlier records...but maybe thats just today

One Beat is an amazing album no matter what, and who cares what some old, possibly-irrelevant intellekshuL thinks

― Vic (Vic), Sunday, 21 September 2003 15:30 (twenty years ago) link

hot rock is the cruellest of their albums, it is heartbreak and that is why its the best. you cry every second song. and then when "quarter to three" ends, you cry cos its damn well over. I HATE YOU SLEATER-KINNEy!!!!

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Sunday, 21 September 2003 20:46 (twenty years ago) link

i mean i'm not even depressed anymore and it still makes me cry like a stupid baby.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Sunday, 21 September 2003 20:50 (twenty years ago) link

The dude in me who listened to it all spring break long when it came out wants to agree its their best, but the critic in me whines that songs like "Banned From The End Of The World" point to the smugness of their later albums. But yeah, 3/4+ of the album is KILLER heartbreak material.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 21 September 2003 22:12 (twenty years ago) link

especially that song about visiting your dying loved one in a hospital

― Vic (Vic), Sunday, 21 September 2003 22:24 (twenty years ago) link

I'm with the Hot Rock camp. I didn't feel comfortable assessing S-K's career until I heard Dig Me Out (still haven't heard Call the Doctor), but now that I have, I still like Hot Rock the best. I could listen to "Get Up" non-stop.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 22 September 2003 03:32 (twenty years ago) link

jaymc, I could've said exactly what you just said and still been me so you = otm!

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Monday, 22 September 2003 03:39 (twenty years ago) link

Haha!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 22 September 2003 03:55 (twenty years ago) link

'hot rock' was my first s>k and still my fave, although i give mad props to 'bad one'

― the surface noise (electricsound), Monday, 22 September 2003 05:36 (twenty years ago) link

why is everyone talking about "all hands" like it's some kind of embarrassing mid-career slump? there's not one bad song on the whole thing! (admittedly SK have fairly high standards: they've got their blah moments but i can't think of many blatantly, undeniably awful songs on any of their albums, the debut excepted) (mainly because i haven't heard it yet)

saying "i don't get the fall" >>>>>>>>>>> not getting the fall and giving all their records B- reviews.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 22 September 2003 06:14 (twenty years ago) link

Justyn, I think because the riffs and melodies on All Hands sound so undercooked and sawed off. Ironclad and Youth Decay would be all time wonders if the riffs sounded better.

― Leee (Leee), Monday, 22 September 2003 07:28 (twenty years ago) link

And while we're at it:

1. 1beat/DMO
2.5. CtD
3. Hot
4. All Hands

― Leee (Leee), Monday, 22 September 2003 07:29 (twenty years ago) link

does anyone else find "youth decay" weirdly disturbing? i mean what's it supposed to be ABOUT, anyway?

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 22 September 2003 07:40 (twenty years ago) link

Teeth

― Leee (Leee), Monday, 22 September 2003 07:44 (twenty years ago) link

but the critic in me whines that songs like "Banned From The End Of The World" point to the smugness of their later albums.

But isn't that more valid for Hot Rock and All Hands (or even Dig Me Out) than for One Beat, which seems far less concerned with their band's place in the world than with the world itself (and not just post-911 stuff, but their hometown, having kids, etc.)?

― chris herrington (chris herrington), Monday, 22 September 2003 17:46 (twenty years ago) link

Here's me:
1. Hot Rock
2. Dig Me Out
3. All Hands...
4. Call the Doctor
5. s/t
with the first three pretty close together and then a gap before 4 & 5. I haven't really listened to One Beat enough to rate it, but I think it would probably go at #4 and knock Call the Doctor and s/t down.

― NA (Nick A.), Monday, 22 September 2003 18:49 (twenty years ago) link

"all hands" like it's some kind of embarrassing mid-career slump? there's not one bad song on the whole thing!

Milkshake & Honey, Male Model, Pompeii, and #1 Must Have could easily qualify as bad songs. Sometimes I want to include Ballad Of A Ladyman.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 22 September 2003 20:06 (twenty years ago) link

my (v small) problem with all hands is not that its bad, its that its too slick and perfect and there aren't enough moments on it that don't make sense.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Monday, 22 September 2003 23:05 (twenty years ago) link

isn't giving B- reviews of Fall albums pretty much the same thing as saying you don't get them, though?

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 22 September 2003 23:42 (twenty years ago) link

Milkshake & Honey, Male Model, Pompeii, and #1 Must Have could easily qualify as bad songs. Sometimes I want to include Ballad Of A Ladyman.

-- Anthony Miccio (anthonymicci...), September 22nd, 2003.

- those first three are not only the best songs on the album, but amongst the best of their career

― Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 07:06 (twenty years ago) link

"leave you behind", "the swimmer", and "#1 must have" are the best tracks on AHOTBO

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 07:14 (twenty years ago) link

Di u and me are the best SKFANZ on ILX

― Vic (Vic), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 07:21 (twenty years ago) link

pompeii is just okay. the other four are great - "#1 must have" in particular is one of their ten best.

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 11:13 (twenty years ago) link

I hate the bloody "Swimmer"

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 11:24 (twenty years ago) link

It's nothing like as bad as "Jenny", though, so who cares

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 11:25 (twenty years ago) link

andrew you sooooo don't get it.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 11:26 (twenty years ago) link

Where's that Sarah McLauchlan you taped me

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 11:27 (twenty years ago) link

I get 'Size of Our Love' and 'Leave You Behind' and stuff, I deserve at least a pass in "Getting It"

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 11:30 (twenty years ago) link

andrew stop not getting it!!

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 23 September 2003 11:34 (twenty years ago) link

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While I'm at, POTS? Melbourne, what's up w/that? "We only have pots" "Dubious frown" Yeah me and Corin's pretty fated, man. I think I annoyed her THREE TIMES actually

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 25 September 2003 04:53 (twenty years ago) link

sorry to burst your bubble, but she doesn't seem very selective with her glares.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 25 September 2003 04:55 (twenty years ago) link

Nah when I was talking to her afterwards. Alex in Melbourne thought she was giving him the eye!

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 25 September 2003 04:56 (twenty years ago) link

what's wrong with pots? do you prefer middies?

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 25 September 2003 04:56 (twenty years ago) link

MIDDIES??? Yeah, maybe...

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 25 September 2003 04:57 (twenty years ago) link

whaddya call em in Noisyland?

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 25 September 2003 04:59 (twenty years ago) link

"Pints"

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 25 September 2003 05:00 (twenty years ago) link

stupid fucking angeline gave carrie our 10", how EMBARASSING. way to give some rock star a badly-recorded 10" of your band that was only together for 3 months.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 25 September 2003 05:01 (twenty years ago) link

but 1 pint = 2 pots

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 25 September 2003 05:02 (twenty years ago) link

In one glass, though! I was more annoyed that once the band started the stagecrush was such that we couldn't get anywhere near the bar. Also I'm annoyed we didn't run into you at all.

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 25 September 2003 05:08 (twenty years ago) link

i was hidden under the stampy feet of cranky looking girls

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 25 September 2003 05:10 (twenty years ago) link

corin?

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 25 September 2003 05:11 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah they could've stopped being all tough enough to look happy at the amazing performance of their favourite band, don't you think?

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 25 September 2003 05:11 (twenty years ago) link

damn straight

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 25 September 2003 05:20 (twenty years ago) link

corin looked quite happy

― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 25 September 2003 05:20 (twenty years ago) link

thats good. i wish she'd been happier in auckland.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Thursday, 25 September 2003 07:14 (twenty years ago) link

fifteen years pass...

personally i wish corin had NEVER had singing lessons, she used to sound much more expressive.

― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Sunday, September 21, 2003 2:17 AM (fifteen years ago)

― j., Tuesday, 6 August 2019 02:24 (four years ago) link

Corin was also literally destroying her voice before she got lessons so

― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 02:35 (four years ago) link

so much the better for her, so much the worse for us

― j., Tuesday, 6 August 2019 02:49 (four years ago) link

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