John Huston: C/D?

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another thing about huston, i've just realized: he had the absolute COOLEST speaking voice of all time.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 13 October 2003 22:21 (twenty years ago) link

humphrey bogart was supposed to be a nice guy.

scott seward, Monday, 13 October 2003 22:32 (twenty years ago) link

Flash! Grace Kelly in drunken, psychotic, mean-spirited SHOCKAH!

Aimless, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 00:23 (twenty years ago) link

Jimmy Stewart wasn't a nice guy! He was a rightwing McCarthyist scumbag.

And Audrey Hepburn strangled kittens (figuratively speaking).

lint (Jack), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 00:43 (twenty years ago) link

She masturbated?!?

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 04:58 (twenty years ago) link

That's one interpretation.

lint (Jack), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 05:02 (twenty years ago) link

possible nice guy = gregory peck (and if he wasn't, don't tell me, i'd rather not know)

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 14 October 2003 15:39 (twenty years ago) link

another thing about huston, i've just realized: he had the absolute COOLEST speaking voice of all time.

c.f. Gandolf in The Hobbit cartoon

Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 14 October 2003 20:42 (twenty years ago) link

five years pass...

the Criterion disc of Wise Blood reveals that Huston said near the end of shooting, "I believe I've been had!" He thought he was doing an atheist's lampoon of evangelicals, then Flannery O'Connor and Jesus take over the last reels of the film.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link

saw a video copy of this two years ago, kinda wanna see it again

da croupier, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 20:41 (fourteen years ago) link

also really dug The Dead.

da croupier, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 20:42 (fourteen years ago) link

C for Maltese Falcon, Key Largo, Sierra Madre, the Dead, Chinatown, his voiceover in the Hobbit, and Angelica. African Queen is crap though.

High in Openness (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link

the only one i saw since this thread started that i really didn't feel was Night Of The Iguana, though I did enjoy Ava Gardner's surfside dance with the local boys. Reflections In A Golden Eye and The Misfits were half-if-not-more-ridiculous but still pretty awesome.

da croupier, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link

reflections in a golden eye is insane

buzza, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link

not enough people have seen fat city either

Michael B, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link

I'll defend Prizzi's Honor too; it's got as many great lines as Goodfellas but never gets cited.

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah I am picking up wise blood DVD on the way home from work today

kind of psyched for this extra:

Rare archival audio recording of author Flannery O’Connor reading her short story “A Good Man Is Hard to Find”

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

after years watching of fuzzy washed-out vhs, restoration looks incredible

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/wiseblood.jpg

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, taht FO'C recording is a corker.

Dourif looks really scary in shots like that.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link

from francine prose's essay on wise blood

In the preface to a second edition of Wise Blood, O’Connor made her novel’s stance toward the life-and-death nature of Christianity unmistakably clear, even for those readers who saw the story’s grotesqueness without quite catching its gravity. Huston himself seems to have been one such reader, persuaded throughout the filming of the unmediated comedy of Hazel’s obsession, until Dourif questioned him about the meaning of the last scenes. Without giving anything away, it seems safe to say that the dark plot turns considerably darker as Hazel, the prophet of the Church Without Christ—“where the blind don’t see and the lame don’t walk and what’s dead stays that way”—takes an exceedingly sharp turn toward Jesus. The Fitzgeralds had believed all along that they were making a film about redemption and salvation, but Huston had been under the impression that he was shooting a picture about the semi-ridiculous religious manias prevalent throughout the South. According to Huston biographer Lawrence Grobel, a hasty script conference about Hazel’s fate persuaded Huston that at “the end of the film, Jesus wins.”

it's true, in o'connor jesus always wins

wonder what huston's film would've been like if he realized this at the get-go

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 21:32 (fourteen years ago) link

maybe less heavyhanded use of the Tennessee Waltz

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link

nice William Hickey death scene in this

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 21:34 (fourteen years ago) link

^ should be a sticker on the DVD cover ^

I remember having an argument with a college lit professor about whether the misfit in "a good man is hard to find" is a christ figure

"more like antichrist!" she said, but I thought she had missed the point

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link

so morbs has the total immersion in wise blood improved yr opinion of it?

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link

I AM THE CHURCH OF CHRIST WITHOUT CHRIST

damm, wld love to luxuriate in that criterion edition of WISE BLOOD - the UK (and I'm guessing, US too) DVD of TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE has a really excellent commentary by Eric Lax, wld recommend that

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link

will say the decision to move the setting from post-WWII to post-Nam (which isn't even obvious at first) did seem odd to me.

da croupier, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

no Edw, I think it's good and carried by career BD performance, but ppl like J Rosenbaum who say it might be Huston's best befuddle me.

The film was shot for about a million dollars w/ nonunion crew. They DO use '40s/'50s stuff (cars, train, clothes) AND shot in obviously contemporary Macon GA. Using $ limitations as time-tripping surrealism.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, post WWII = $$$

kinda wish somebody would do another version fully true to period but it would be so easy to fuck up

calling it huston's best is big crazytalk but it is the oddball jewel in his filmog

鬼の手 (Edward III), Wednesday, 13 May 2009 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link

no Edw, I think it's good and carried by career BD performance, but ppl like J Rosenbaum who say it might be Huston's best befuddle me.

The film was shot for about a million dollars w/ nonunion crew. They DO use '40s/'50s stuff (cars, train, clothes) AND shot in obviously contemporary Macon GA. Using $ limitations as time-tripping surrealism.

cf. Blue Velvet

M.V., Wednesday, 13 May 2009 23:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I really don't think Enoch (Dan Shor) works that well off the page.

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 14 May 2009 01:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Waiting for Alexander Payne to direct The Violent Bear It Away.

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 May 2009 01:50 (fourteen years ago) link

his moby dick is surely as good a version as anyone will ever do, and is still prob my favorite huston without bogart in it.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 14 May 2009 02:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Gregory Peck gives it the ol' college try, but the miscasting sinks (heh) the picture for me.

Orson Welle's monologue, though, is one the best things Welles (and Huston) ever did.

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 May 2009 02:38 (fourteen years ago) link

*Welles

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 May 2009 02:38 (fourteen years ago) link

i knew alfred was gonna post within two minutes and say just that!!

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 14 May 2009 02:43 (fourteen years ago) link

You gotta keep me from posting shit like that!

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 May 2009 02:56 (fourteen years ago) link

four months pass...

Fat City suffers a little from Susan Tyrrell's hamming and the gritty-loserville oppressiveness, but it gets great in the last 3 sequences. Also, Jeff Bridges is adorable.

A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 October 2009 03:58 (fourteen years ago) link

<3 The Man Who Would Be King <3

ice cr?m paint job (milo z), Thursday, 1 October 2009 04:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, she was a little too much. Kind of a hammy Ruth Gordon/Anne Meara performance. I liked Jeff Bridges expression when Stacey Keach insulted him at the end. What show did you see? I was at the 9:30.

Get Up (I Feel Like Being A) Hamletmachine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 October 2009 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Somebody walking out was asking what was going on when SK had his Tony Soprano moment at the end and the camera froze and the sound died. I assumed it was the brain damage briefly kicking in, although maybe it was just a moment of philosophical contemplation.

Get Up (I Feel Like Being A) Hamletmachine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 October 2009 16:51 (fourteen years ago) link

susan tyrrell is awesome, i don't think the role of trainwreck barfly calls for understatement

velko, Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link

I think it's a moment of clarity, SK realizing that he is the burnouts he's surrounded by, or will be before long. And agree 100% with velko on Susan Tyrell. She's fucking awesome, and not at all unrealistic.

That's not just me saying that, that's the Pentagon. (contenderizer), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:06 (fourteen years ago) link

She's TOO realistic!

Get Up (I Feel Like Being A) Hamletmachine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:12 (fourteen years ago) link

I couldn't understand why either of even THOSE two guys would listen to her! She got the first Screech-Owl Oscar Nomination subsequently bestowed on Diane Ladd and Jennifer Tilly.

JR, I had totally forgotten about that non-freeze-frame moment, and apparently it was "a moment of philosophical contemplation" -- it was 2am on the set and Huston had a vision:

"Have you ever been at a party when for no reason everybody just stops? When all of a sudden it's all a tableau; you're alone in eternity for a moment? When Stacy turns around, I want everybody to just stop what they're doing." "Why, John?" Keach asked. "I have no idea," Huston answered. "Sometimes the devil just gets into me" "We can just freeze frame," Russ Saunders, the assistant director, suggested. "No, no, no," John said. "I want the cigarette smoke to continue going. I don't want it to look like a stock frame. I just want everybody to stop" (In Grobel, 1989: 638).

http://www.kinema.uwaterloo.ca/article.php?id=167&feature

I think Keach saw his certain fate flash before him. Huston wanted Brando (at 47) for that role!
Nicholas "Coach" Colasanto is splendid in it.

Longish 1972 Roy Blount piece in SI:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/2001/movies/reviews/fat_city/

A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 October 2009 17:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Stacy Keach is a very charmless actor too. Kael said that Susan Tyrell's perf was a perfect example of one so awful that it deserves an Oscar nod (Tyrell got one).

Roman Polanski now sleeps in prison. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 October 2009 18:18 (fourteen years ago) link

the performance is very Cassavetes-ish, so her not liking it is very much in character

velko, Thursday, 1 October 2009 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link

oh yeah, add Gena Rowlands to that Oscar Excess list for aWUtI.

A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 October 2009 19:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Sit your rass down, Mabel!

"I want the cigarette smoke to continue going. I don't want it to look like a stock frame. I just want everybody to stop"

So it's like that one motion sequence in La jetée.

Get Up (I Feel Like Being A) Hamletmachine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 October 2009 20:05 (fourteen years ago) link

five months pass...

Thought this was going to be about The Prowler, which he co-produced with Sam Spiegel and starred his ex-wife Evelyn Keyes.

Ole Rastaquouère (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:59 (fourteen years ago) link

they are really quite amazing. great great opening.

candid gamera (s1ocki), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 01:46 (thirteen years ago) link

well what's great is that it barely even IS a decline... you realize that's kind of how he's been since the beginning, his mask of civility has just slipped. i also really like how he rationalizes it to the end, acting like he's the real victim.

Yeah, and the beauty of Bogart's performance is you can believe he was once a pretty honorable guy, and still remembers to be one when the occasion demands it.

sandra lee, gimme your alcohol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link

love this movie. i only saw it a month ago. i thought the ending was pretty life affirming and inspiring fwiw. like laughing and howling w rage and crying are all the same noise in the end, but theyre still laughing.

I love you girls but that music is for radical faeries (Matt P), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 01:59 (thirteen years ago) link

three months pass...

"The Kremlin Letter" is A++. Also a fave of J-P Melville's.

A happenstance discovery of asynchronous lesbians (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 11 February 2011 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link

haven't watched Treasure in years... good but overrated.

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 February 2011 03:59 (thirteen years ago) link

six months pass...

Saw The Misfits for the first time today--not sure why it's taken me forever. Except for the drunken 15-minute detour in the middle, the one time Gable was awful, I liked it. Everything before Clift's entrance was pretty good, and the mustanging stuff towards the end was excellent. Gable's never had much appeal for me, but he's okay; Clift is awkward at first, much better later on; Wallach and Ritter are good the whole way. I've always had (as odd as this may sound) more of a clinical appreciation of Monroe's beauty before seeing this--I never had any kind of a crush on her, like with Audrey Hepburn, say. But she really is astoundingly beautiful here.

clemenza, Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link

I've always had (as odd as this may sound) more of a clinical appreciation of Monroe's beauty before seeing this--I never had any kind of a crush on her, like with Audrey Hepburn, say. But she really is astoundingly beautiful here.

there was some talk on another thread about this recently, i remember it p well but could watch it again for MM. it's kinda hard to separate her beauty, which is pronounced enough in a bunch of other films, from just her tragic 'aura' & associated magnetism in this.

(Chris Isaak Cover) (schlump), Sunday, 28 August 2011 21:49 (twelve years ago) link

Meant to say that there's some weirdly self-referential stuff going on that was interesting. Clift's character talks about some big calamity he's on the mend from, and when Wallach's in the car with Monroe going 90, you can't help thinking about Clift's accident. Monroe has all the pin-ups of herself on the inside of the door. And even though I know elegiac westerns are always about the Death of Some Vanishing Way of Life, it also felt a little like Gable and that era of Hollywood being laid to rest.

One of the weaker things about the film is that 100 minutes into it, you've still got men sitting around analyzing Monroe's character aloud.

clemenza, Sunday, 28 August 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link

The only time I saw it (years ago) I was struck by how unaffectedly the star trio (and Thelma Ritter) hung out in conversation scenes.

a 'catch-all', almost humorous, 'Jeez' quality (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 August 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link

Yes, especially the long scene when they first arrive at Wallach's house. And Huston's camera really catches Monroe hanging out at times, but I won't get into that.

clemenza, Sunday, 28 August 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link

also in the weird self-referentiality, tho extra-

the poignancy of the last lines, their being the last lines spoken on film by both actors

won't post them for the annoying spoiler!-shouting types

zvookster, Sunday, 28 August 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

Notable in the Mark Harris book is that some of the time Huston was in the army, risking his ass to shoot film for the War Dept, the guvmint was investigating whether he was a communist.

The Battle of San Pietro is gripping and notably pioneering in 'war-film' technique for the rest of the '40s and '50s, even tho nearly all of it is unacknowledged re-enactment.

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 June 2014 16:05 (nine years ago) link

six months pass...

and Kael:

John Huston is an infinitely more complex screen artist than David Lean. He can be far worse than Lean because he’s careless and sloppy and doesn’t have all those safety nets of solid craftsmanship spread under him. What makes a David Lean spectacle uninteresting finally is that it’s in such goddam good taste. It’s all so ploddingly intelligent and controlled, so “distinguished.” The hero may stick his arm in blood up to the elbow but you can be assured that the composition will be academically, impeccably composed. Lean plays the mad game of super-spectacles like a sane man. Huston (like Mailer) tests himself, plays the crazy game crazy—to beat it, to win.

The worst problem of recent movie epics is that they usually start with an epic in another form and so the director must try to make a masterpiece to compete with an already existing one. This is enough to petrify most directors but it probably delights Huston. What more perverse challenge than to test himself against the Book? It’s a flashy demonic gesture, like Nimrod shooting his arrow into God’s heaven.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/film/92939/tnr-film-classics-the-bible-october-22-1966

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 December 2014 04:34 (nine years ago) link

Print of The Bible was in real good shape but quite a bit of it looked lousy even tho Giuseppe Rotunno lensed it. The whole Eden segment had the lens smeared with Vaseline so they could get away with carefully framed nudity (and Eve had her cascading hair glued to her breasts it appeared). Richard Harris as Cain v close to Dave Thomas' version on SCTV.

Ava Gardner almost as good as Sarah as Geo C Scott is as Abraham in the second half. When Dino de Laurentiis was planning on it as a multidirector event, Orson Welles was supposed to do Abraham, and apparently he wrote most of it but either withdrew credit or didn't get it. Abraham takes Isaac through the ruins of Sodom on the way to almost getting sacrificed, and the boy sees tiny skulls and asks, "The children, were they wicked too?" Sounds Wellesian! Jehovah, what an asshole.

Huston as goofy slapstick Noah is somethin' ... seems he'd wanted Chaplin.

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 21:58 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

Last night at a film event Alec Baldwin relayed a Nicholson account of the Chinatown set where Polanski would "go on" at length between takes about what he wanted...

Huston would be staring at the table in front of him. He called Polanski RoMAHN, and said after several minutes, "RoMAHN, let's just do another one."

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 May 2017 16:11 (six years ago) link

four years pass...

I'm haunted by that scene in Fat City when Stacey Keach is making some sad late supper for him and his gf which consists of shoe leather steak and some cold garden peas straight from the tin.

MoMsnet (calzino), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 07:52 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

TIL that MGM put out a Blaxploitation remake of The Asphalt Jungle entitled Cool Breeze in 1972.

Trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhh-QTFyWuk

Film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWlOo3GKcTQ


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