Luck: HBO series: David Milch, Dustin Hoffman, Michael Mann

wow did not know that

I like Dustin's Hoffman's good performances. I did not care for him in the pilot of Luck, and also I did not care for him in Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium.

Dustin's Hoffman's

the review in nyer says he kinda just plays it as a cypher the whole time and gives u nothing to care abt but im gonna go ahead and see for myself

yeah from evidence of pilot episode, he is not doing much to make his character likable (sp?) or easy to read

like-able?? jesus that word looks wrong no matter how i spell it.

likeable often confounds me as well

second episode pretty great too

how are you seeing episode 2-- is it on demand already?

Ive read that it's on hbo go

yeah, it's on hbo go

http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/and-then-the-camera-goes-up-the-jockeys-ass-a-close-look-at-luck

Haven't seen the show, but that NYT descrip of "detente" btwn Milch and Mann made me laugh. They must've nearly gouged each other's eyes out.

haha that piece was so these two guys

Written by David Carr (main subject in the documentary Page One), who's very Milch-ian himself.

Renewed btw.

niiice.

now if he can somehow weave in john from cincinnati characters

that group of hairlips all work at the track now

Here's a good article on one of themes of the pilot episode:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1137939/index.htm

can't get that link to work, is it about Alydar?

I don't want to say what it is due to being sort of an episode spoiler?

first episode has aired... i think spoilers for it are fair game now?

Okay. It's about horse injuries.

now if he can somehow weave in john from cincinnati characters

Levitating horse?

was thinking surfing on horse but not sure if that realistic

***SPOILER***

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/specials/weirdflorida/blog/Horse_surfing.jpg

Could it be a holy ghost horse?

u think u can double cross ppl or lie on ur word + ur promises LIKE OUR MUSLIM PRESIDENT FROM KENYA?!?

I'm loving this. And yes the birther bit was a nice touch.

Dustin Hoffman + Miami Vice's Cochi Loco

loving John Ortiz on twitter. he seems like a bro. Escalante is the best character.

I'm starting to think that Nolte's character is gonna be this series' Ellsworth. He's even got a pooch as a sidekick.

Second episode definitely better than the first, or maybe I'm just growing into the show more. That birther bit, and that whole scene, really, was hysterical.

thinking abt it, it's amazing how much set-up they've packed into these 1st 2 eps

the scene between Ace and Gus where they explained Ace's prison stint was really clunky. I guess the writers just wanted to get the whole backstory out there in one shot but it didn't really make sense to have them tell each other a drawn-out story that they both already knew.

is episode 3 on HBO Go now or was it only the second ep that they put up early?

just second ep. third isn't up yet.

the scene between Ace and Gus where they explained Ace's prison stint was really clunky. I guess the writers just wanted to get the whole backstory out there in one shot but it didn't really make sense to have them tell each other a drawn-out story that they both already knew.

yeah it was jarring how out of character this was compared to everything else

By the way this is the Alydar story I was referring to upthread, the real-life version of the Delphi plotline. Had not ever heard about this until Luck came out.

Suspicious death

On November 13, 1990, Alydar appeared to have shattered his right hind leg in his stall at Calumet Farms in Lexington, Kentucky. Emergency surgery was performed the next day in an attempt to repair the injury, but the leg broke again. On November 15, Alydar was euthanized. At the time the owner of Calumet Farm was in dire trouble financially, and suspicions of foul play by the management were raised. John Thomas (J.T.) Lundy was indicted and convicted in 2000 on separate fraud charges and served nearly four years in prison. The farm's former attorney, Gary Matthews, was also convicted and received a 21-month prison sentence.

In Houston Federal Court, MIT Professor George Pratt testified that Alydar had to have been killed.[3] He speculated that someone had tied the end of a rope around Alydar's leg and attached the other end of the rope to a truck that could easily have been driven into the stallion barn. The truck then took off, pulling Alydar's leg from underneath him until it snapped; he testified that the force involved was at least three times that which a horse was able to exert. About five days before Alydar's injury his original night watchman, Harold "Cowboy" Kipp, testified that he was at work on the farm when he was ordered to take Tuesday, November 13th off.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alydar

Alydar was second in the 1978 Derby, Preakness and Belmont behind Affirmed, who won the Triple Crown

yeesh. so it was like an insurance scam or?

allegedly yeah. but never proven it court that the death wasn't an accident.

in court

liked this one better than #2.

i think i always need a good 4 or five episodes w/ milch before i get in the groove though.

I dug this episode a lot.

after being confounded by episode 2, gf and I have decided to let this sit on the dvr until about episode 5 or 6 to see if the immersion method improves things. Good to know people are liking it though.

MZS on Episode 3 and why should stick it out

I think he's seen the whole season though.

The most resonant scene in the episode, if you're looking for critical metaphors, is the one in which the four amigos (who name their stable 4A) go to visit Escalante, hear an itemized tutorial on what it costs to train Mon Gateau, then ask if they can get to know the animal. Escalante hands each of them a carrot and tells them how to offer it to the horse. "Keep your hand open," he warns them. The scene cuts after successive images of the four men holding out carrots and the horse regarding them warily.

^^loved this scene, especially the way it ended like that

Best thing about this episode: the promise that Joan Allen will be appearing in future ones.

dont like that the derivative kid's name is nathan israel

love that they are using the bbq @ ep's end

haha yeah that was a nice touch