You're a fucking shithead.
What the fuck? I didn't even mention you, it was a blanket zing about the MULTIPLE people this morning that were saying, in essence, "he's not so bad".
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs, if you were nowhere near the cookie jar, why are you holding a glass of milk as you wipe cookie crumbs off your shirt?
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
x-psot - omg I wasn't calling you a shithead!!!
― ENBB, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
xxp Yeah, that's why I think I lost the thread of the conversation for a bit. I thought we were arguing about what racism meant. Really we were discussing what 'institutional' meant.
― Mordy, Friday, January 27, 2012 12:28 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this (mh via mordy) is a v good point
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
Sorry! I saw the part where you were shaking your head at me and through you were still directing that at me!
(xpost)
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
thought... stupid swype
have you not seen any dumb comedies in the last 50 or so years?
I screen all comedies in private, away from the oppressively unfunny presence of actual minorities
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
I think everyone has come out of this thread having learned something today, excepting of course frogs.
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
x-post - Yeah, it wasn't clear - sorry.
― ENBB, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
Oh man, now all we need is lex to chime in on comedy and this thread will encompass everything about ilx ever.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
Not really, no. And if they're all filled with racist shit, I'm glad I haven't.
I like plenty of 'offensive' humour but none of it is based on assumptions about people's innate worth.
― emil.y, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
everyone otm lock it down
― teaky frigger (darraghmac), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
frogbs fwiw there is a difference between making a joke about a racial stereotype - like in, say, the Jerk where Steve Martin insists he is black - and making racist jokes. Stereotypes can be funny when they are ridiculed/punctured, when they are used to make fun of a specific subset of people, they are simply racist.
xp
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link
'Offensive' humour = death, sex, bodily functions, stuff at your own expense.
'Not actually humour but racism' humour = racism.
― emil.y, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
Also Shakey Mo OTM
b/c I'm trying to do the same thing the last 200 posters have been doing, saying that all racism isn't created equal!
I agree that in pretty much all forms it's bad taste and incorrect and shaking my head at the idea that apparently everyone who's ever laughed at a racial joke is a hateful moron, especially when its a (lazy) cornerstone of the modern sitcom/R-rated comedy
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:39 (twelve years ago) link
Honestly it's like you think we all got together this morning and made up all these rules just to trick you. WAKE UP. This is the rest of the world.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
agreed, but there can be hints of racism in both and again, it's not equal
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
I'm bailing on the what is jokes discussion on the what is racist thread.
― WHY DO YOU HATE RAINBOWS? (Austerity Ponies), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
yeah when i say "institutional" i mean the institution of western society and white colonialism, not like organizations of white people with an official seal
*runs away again*
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
any thoughts on jam donaldson't hot ghetto mess/ we can do better?http://www.hotghettomess.com/
― Sébastien, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
again, if you guys just read my posts and didn't make fucked up assumptions this thread would literally be 1000 posts lighter
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
good rule of thumb, frogbs: if you wouldn't tell a joke in front of a person of a particular race, ethnicity, religion, creed, class, etc, you shouldn't say it when they're not around. the reason why you wouldn't tell the joke in front of them is not bc they wouldn't understand that it's not actually offensive. the reason why is bc you rightfully would feel shame. feel that shame in private too.
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe it's better to say that anyone who laughs at a hateful/racist joke is being hateful/racist and moronic at that moment. Whether they are all of those things at base will depend on how often and how guiltlessly they indulge the impulse, and whether they ever personally confront what those ideas bring about, like suffering, poverty, etc.
― one little aioli (Laurel), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
so just so we're clear, the way you were using it is not the generally accepted use of the word, right?
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
fyi, this is not really what you've been saying.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
like, glancing at the wiki, it's clearly about actual institutions + policy, not about 'western society' xp
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
racipedia?
― beachville, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
I appreciate the thought but I'm not talking about "white guys telling racial jokes to each other", I'm talking about when they actually are around/friendly with each other. I mean I'm sure most of what I've said ITT runs contrary to this but I'm not stupid!!
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
if you guys just read my posts and didn't make fucked up assumptions this thread would literally be 1000 posts lighter
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, January 27, 2012 8:43 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Thing is, I try not to make assumptions about you. You post lots of great things about lots of music I love, so I'm trying my hardest to make excuses and find the reasonable side. But the stuff you have come out with today is racist-apologist bullshit, and people are right to call you out on it.
― emil.y, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
mordy: glancing at the wiki of what? i've always known "institution" to refer both to literal institutions and "unofficial" ones that exist without... planning, i guess. if you want to use another word, feel free, but that's how i've always used it.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
the wikipedia definition of institutional racism?
― Mordy, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism
we discussed this a bit in the Long Duk Dong thread, and correct me if I'm wrong but I think the general consensus is that A) the character was harmful/racist/in bad taste and that B) in spite of that, the character was still funny to that extent, and I'm saying that finding that funny is pretty much harmless? I mean do people actually laugh at that character because they honestly think that's what Asian people are really like?
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
that character is not funny
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
zach, what I posted upthread is from the wikipedia article.
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
xx-post uh no one in the thread found that stereotype funny! Where did you get that?
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
well I think a lot of these posts can read two ways but I feel like I'm posting something saying that a lot of racial humor is essentially harmless compared to some of the other stuff posted ITT and a lot of people are reading it as me trying to make myself feel justifed in telling racist jokes
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
I appreciate the thought but I'm not talking about "white guys telling racial jokes to each other", I'm talking about when they actually are around/friendly with each other.
this sentence is not very clear, to say the least (do white guys tell racist jokes to each other when they AREN'T around/friendly with each other?)
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, iirc, that thread was based pretty much around that character not being funny in the least.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
hey frogbs, when I pull my eyes to the side and go "me chinese, me play joke.." is that racist or just kids funning?
― mh, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
it's only funny if there aren't any chinese people around duh
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
guess you gotta wait 3 days to find out
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
I mean this as "white guys who are friendly with black/Asian/Latino/gay/whatever people"
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
Wait now, I'm confused. Its okay to tell racist jokes behind closed doors, but only if I'm not friendly with anyone from a minority group?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
I still don't understand. are these white guys hanging out with other white guys, or hanging out with members of the minorities in question when making these jokes
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
way xp: like even when you're talking about the black vs. asian tension in the early 90s, that stuff still comes from racism being a fixture provided by white people, using stereotypes that were created by white people, all coming from a history of oppression and colonization from white people, etc. it's not so simple to just say that individual people doing racially charged things to people of color exists in isolation, you have to look at the big picture, which starts with colonization.
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
and yeah that article is one thing, but it's wikipedia. when i say "institution" i mean the sociological usage or w/e
― zachylon (zachlyon), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
maybe we should just make it multiple choice to be clear. Which of the following scenarios are you talking about:
A) A bunch of white guys, who aren't racist (really!), talking amongst themselves and making racist jokesB) A group comprised of a mixture of ethnicities, with the white guys making racist jokesC) A group comprised of a mixture of ethnicities, with everyone making racist jokes about everybody
I'm pretty sure option A is flat-out racist, option B is flat-out racist, and option C probably ends in a fistfight.
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
yeah this is pretty stupid, but can you claim that you've seriously never laughed at a racist joke? even if you didn't feel good about it? basically - what Laurel said
w/r/t Sixteen Candles I didn't think the character was funny because he clowned on Asian people, I thought the character was funny because it was so ridiculous on its face, IIRC I'm not the only person who felt that way
― frogs you are the dumbest asshole (frogbs), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:05 (twelve years ago) link