Irish Travellers

Is this a hint? lol. I almost started one last night but didn't think there'd be enough interest.

probably not but jesus who did it ever stop before

deems have u been following tyson fury's inexorable progress to heavyweight unification?

i've not

ok well hes a huge manc fucker with possible bipolar disorder whose dad is in prison for gouging some other traveller dudes eye out, he had moderate viral success with the one time he managed to punch himself in the face and if he ever fights in vegas then may god have mercy on the locals

rah

i guess

Used to love this song when I was a boy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EPsuOEH1fY

Travellers/"itinterants" have been replaced by "the Romanians" as scapegoats/pariahs for my parents, as far as I can see. "At least they're ours" etc.

Are the Romanians mostly Roma?

and nyans

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_d2T1VbX0wMs/Rdy-6bcrpqI/AAAAAAAAAMM/Zui5Qj8mpFQ/s320/nyahfearties.jpg

Pretty sure some Romanians are more welcome than others

and some Romanians' mothers are more welcome than other Romanians' mothers.

"Irish Travellers, English Caravan"

tyson fury will be a morrisey cause celebre

They have so much in common

i met a man once who said, of a london irish coworker (working in london), "she moves house so much, i always say to her, she ought to be applying for those benefits for travellers from the council" and i thought, wow, she must really hate you if you're genuinely saying that to her all the time. but maybe i was being unfair to her by assuming her reaction would be 'how dare you compare me to them'...

xps, half the "Romanians" are Bulgarian, Lithuanian, Latvian, etc. It's pretty much a catch-all term for most Eastern European immigrants in the Midlands. Maybe the rest of Ireland is different.

Certainly a percentage would be Romani but by no means all.

manc irish, histrionic, shared preoccupation w/ witeboy thug esthetics xxp

6ft 9

that too

Think the Poles/Lithuanians/etc. go in a different box - they're "hard-working" and "stealing our jobs". The Romanians/etc. are "lazy" and "should do an honest day's work".

(For fear anyone gets the wrong idea given my previous post, my parents are quite cool and don't say these things, they do have a prejudicial wariness of certain groups though. Other people I know certainly do think this way)

Having only a really shallow knowledge of these things: I recently watched the film Fish Tank. Is the family who lives in the vacant lot and has as horse most likely Irish travelers?

probably

has anyone seen knuckle

another good (drama) film about travellers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcDe9xz_PZ8

Overexposure beckons for these fellows

award-winning film about traveller life from a 13 yr old girl's perspective- 'paved lackeen', might be worth a look.

lol ive had pavee lackeen sitting on my computer for years during which time id totally forgotten what it was abt why I downloaded it or what language that is even

looks tibeto-burman

it's english, accented iirc, tho there's dialects based on irish and a merging of both, gammon and cant iirc

Oooh I'm gonna watch that.

Darragh otm re the English. The accent is really interesting.

Some still speak Cant apparently - even the American-born travellers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKYAgpW64Vs

Yeah, gonna watch that too.

The secrecy is one of the most interesting things.

Also, I was watching some clip from a documentary someone did (not the lolweddding show) and there was a girl who was working and still in school at 16 which is apparently v v rare. For her birthday she and a bunch of friends went paintballing and she had to fill out all the forms for everyone because she was the only one who could read and write well enough to do so.

Literacy levels are pretty low

Also interesting is that despite the sexualization of very young girls (pagent-like clothes/makeup on toddlers and teens wearing insanely skimpy outfits) they supposedly maintain a really strict code of behavior including no sex before marriage. Maybe that's one of the reasons they wed so young? Women are also not allowed to drink though my facebook research last night seemed to indicate that that part might not be that strictly adhered to anymore.

yeah cant is still spoken alright

Irish for 'talk' is caint p. conch, maybe where it comes from-

Oh, there is also "grabbing".

But apparently grabbing might not really be really.

Lots of DV too. It's really pretty grim.

This article is fairly interesting:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/feb/25/truth-about-gypsy-traveller-life-women

Also, I was watching some clip from a documentary someone did (not the lolweddding show) and there was a girl who was working and still in school at 16 which is apparently v v rare. For her birthday she and a bunch of friends went paintballing and she had to fill out all the forms for everyone because she was the only one who could read and write well enough to do so.

Pretty sure this was Gypsy Weddings, I remember seeing it.

We had an Irish Traveller girl in our class at school, she was on the register but only actually ever turned up once or twice. I always figured it might be because she was travelling and miles away but I'm not sure.

We had a traveller lad at ours. I remember he liked to fight a lot.

numeracy and literacy are very low, improving rapidly enough in young women, life expectancy, convictions, suicide, addiction all lamentable compared to general population, some of that's improving, employment is non-existent except for self-employment or traveller specific community schemes to improve literacy etc within themselves

Most travellers live in rented accommodation these days, or will have halting sites provided by local councils- the emphasis is on getting them accommodated to a good standard, but often of necessity that means in a settled manner, which is seen as an anti-traveller-lifestyle measure

etc

x-post - It might have been then. I spent one day watching loads of Youtube clips from various things so I can't remember what was what.

Yeah Darragh from what I understand the actual traveling part is changing a lot because of laws imposed to prevent people from setting up camp on vacant ground so while many still identify as Travellers culturally, they do a lot less actual traveling as whole family units than they did years ago.

There was a woman who won a beauty contest in Europe some years ago, whose dad or family leader told her not to take the scholarship and endorsements, so after winning the whole thing, she turned it down to go back to her family. That's all I can remember....

why do they travel, whatre they up to, srs question

xxp The whole Dale Farm farago a case in point when it comes to trying to reconcile the Traveller lifestyle and behavioural norms with planning and other council regulations IIRC. Of course all that ties into attitudinal issues and issues to do with prejudice towards travellers.

Is that the big site in Essex?

yes, as was. Not heard much about it since the evictions TBH- no longer considered "news" I suppose.

it's a big change atm, i don't know what internal debate process is taking place but certainly they're settling in growing numbers and leaving camps/caravans/transiency behind

There's been an explosion in traveller population in recent years due to young families returning from england because of housing initiatives available here since 2004 or so, leading to inevitable complaints of queue-skipping etc

Nobody would be too happy to see a traveller family move next door either, it's worth pointing out, and it's be remiss of me to dismiss that as nothing but prejudice, you would have a lot higher instance of antisocial behaviour among traveller familes as opposed to settled tbh

neil- many of those families moved to a ?legal? site nearby iirc

yes- but more legal shenanigans by the look of it: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/19/dale-farm-travellers-eviction-battle?newsfeed=true

As far as i know, until the 1990s local authorities in England were forced by law to provide halting sites for nomadic populations. That was abolished, forcing travellers and nomadic Roma groups to settle on private land, which causes all sorts of problems.

At the same time, there's also a responsibility to house them in regular council developments should they wish to take up that option. More and more, in the UK at least, are doing that because it's not worth the hassle of moving from one site to the next, waiting to be evicted.

heh you wouldn't know by my constant waffling but i'm on a phone so can't access articles in real time, will take a look later

srsly tho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FeNq73F6jHI

2.40, 3.20, 4.15 for the real action moments

I just learned Garda is the police? Man, at least one dn makes more sense now.

now i'm watchin fights, can't help it

I watched Knuckle the other week. Those fuckin guys.

Is this what is meant by "I've a horse outside"?

broadly yes, tbh

connors family convicted of forced labour, nasty fuckin details tbh

Irish Travelers use a secret argot or cant known as Gammon. It is used primarily to conceal meaning from outsiders, especially during business transactions and in the presence of police. Most Gammon utterances are terse and spoken so quickly that a non-Traveler might conclude the words merely had been garbled. Most Gammon words were formed from Irish Gaelic by applying four techniques: reversal, metathesis, affixing, and substitution. In the first, an Irish word is reversed to form a Gammon one - mac, or son, in Irish became kam in Gammon. In the second, consonants or consonant clusters were transposed. Thirdly, a sound or cluster of sounds were either prefixed or suffixed to an Irish word. Some of the more frequently prefixed sounds were s, gr, and g. For example, Obair, work or job, became gruber in Gammon. Lastly, many Gammon words were formed by substituting an arbitrary consonant or consonant cluster in an Irish word. In recent years, modern slang and Romani (the language of the gypsies) words have been incorporated. The grammar and syntax are English. The first vocabulary collected from Irish Travelers was published in 1808, indicating that Gammon dates at least back to the 1700s. But many early Celtic scholars who studied it, including the eminent Kuno Meyer, concluded it was much older.

i was gonna try to learn java or c# or something useful, but doesn't this sound fun?

that sounds like bullshit.

I mean more fun, but bullsjit.

when you've heard it spoken it sounds like idk what

tbf i could say the same about english as spoken round my way so pinch of salt with yr gammon

yeh for sure. English is one of the most skewed accents I've heered.

idk the whole secret cant feels too organised a concept. cant/jargon feels like a general language thing.

dont all languages have thieves cants

russian certainly does

lombards probably describe all southern dialects thusly

apparently the 'secrecy' aspect is overstressed

xp probably

i remember after moving the 15th or 16th time all the travellers kids in the new town assumed i was one of em and kept addressing me in gammon for like 3-4 months it was weird

do you look like your parents? maybe you are secretly a traveller by blood and they knew it

by the time you've moved 15 times the blood kinda starts to become insignificant tbph

Cockney rhyming slang and Polari are generally talked about as being "secret" argots as well, i think. idk how true that is in the case of the former.

Is Gammon the same as shelta?

Ah, apparently so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelta

that's lightweight gammon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrKkJOGty7Y

listen away to yerman now. you will have noted the earlier known backyard challenge where a buck sounds like a dog straining at a leash. it only comes to mind after i spent a bit of time on the chronic pulmonary/respiratory ward last week where there was an alarmingly high instance of traveller men- i'd read before that they have a very high occurrence of respiratory diseases alright but it didnt hit home until they outnumbered settlers in a setting like that. i wonder the cause, might look it up.

anyways idk was the mcginley called out here anything to the mcginleys here

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0218/681180-barney-mcginley/

but man irish travellers what a life.

this fella i mean

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixFQUpLnr3E

i think ive posted this before- last one tonight i promise and this is a serious thread and all but this is the best thing on the internet obv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJXnYG4it8w

unpleasant title but i can't believe nobody has posted this yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8C7ZTbsF-E

"WHY DO YOU LIKE RIDIN HIPPOS?"

somebody needs to remix that Mullingar lads video with a RZA beat

i'm watching that one dmac posted yesterday and i love this:

you fuckin' ring me and you'll apologize to me about what you said on that internet!

you understand that, sausage boy!

a computer champion, yeah

p.s. what is a sausage man, and what are the respiratory problems from? work? smoking? home environment toxins?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PyH0BeckV6E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyH0BeckV6E

hi harbl

idk the answer re sausage man could be homophobic or idk what

v quick google suggests genetic predisposition and living conditions and dietary/substance habits all contribute

deems la

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/tyson-fury-boxings-new-folk-hero?utm_source=vicetwitteruk

John Fury is an ex-fighter himself – and a good one, too, going by the moniker "Gipsy" and facing up against English world champ Henry Akinwande in the early-90s. However, in 2011 he was jailed for gouging out the eye of a man named Oathie Sykes at a car auction. John served four years of his 11-year sentence for what he described at the time as "a fair fight between travelling people".

fairs fair

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeJoyce12/status/739023028059791360

think i'm nearly up to my Irish Traveller fighting weight

does he know mickey rourke wasn't really a fighter

I'm an auld man 60 years of age, like boxing and horses, I have never taken a shite in a bucket.