rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

(seems like the word was used first w/r/t the romani and not as a word that could also include irish travellers)

I kind of want to start a thread spinning off from this one - how accountable should people from another culture be towards standards of racism in your own culture

obv (at least on this board) we are all part of the larger the_west but this "gyp shouldn't be considered offensive in america" argument seems like a flip of the "well I'm British!" argument that's been shot down before

and real hilarity/facepalming ensues whenever east asians bring their conceptions of race to the table ^_^

http://popartmachine.com/artwork/D10024-SAAM.1982.88.1_1A/0/Man-Ray-Allume-tes-Gitanes-ca-1964-1966-painting-artwork-print.jpg

"Smoke Your Gypsies" - Man Ray

kinda feel like gypsy is a legitimately meant and understood description of that hippie nomadic lifestyle these days, for better or worse

In the UK the Irish travellers would be a good example of non-Roma gypsies."

― ENBB,

interesting, i'd personally never refer to a traveller as a gypsy- it's not up there with knacker or tinker as a derogatory term but i'd have considered it the type of word my grandparents would have used. in fact, tinker/knacker itself is a term that wasn't ever used in a perjorative manner historically- both words refer to common livelihoods in travellers up to maybe the 60's- but they're both considered poor form (knacker a lot worse than poor form) to use today

I kind of want to start a thread spinning off from this one - how accountable should people from another culture be towards standards of racism in your own culture

hie thee to ILF my man

did john terry say something?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pj2ghas2INo/THdIIK9ebVI/AAAAAAAAB1A/aqC8nE8g1JQ/s320/gypsy1962.bmp

(seems like the word was used first w/r/t the romani and not as a word that could also include irish travellers)

yes, irish travellers are ethnically irish and classed as a social group here, not as a separate ethnic group- they are in the UK.

yeah, there are a lot of traveling groups that have been called gypsies, but it's the roma population that has traditionally been linked to it stereotypically and historically, right? especially with those silly appropriative costumes.

i don't know much about the history, it jsut seems in general that referring to yourself as "gypsy" without having an actual link to it beyond "nomadism" is bound to offend someone. i've seen plenty of drama about it on internet places at least (tumblr whites with 'gypsy' in their sn, mostly)

Gypsy portrays negative stereotypes of Romanies all being strippers

I kind of want to start a thread spinning off from this one - how accountable should people from another culture be towards standards of racism in your own culture

obv (at least on this board) we are all part of the larger the_west but this "gyp shouldn't be considered offensive in america" argument seems like a flip of the "well I'm British!" argument that's been shot down before

― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:05 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is something i've been thinking about/encountering a lot

This movie was awesome (for a Bill Paxon/Mark Wahlberg movie.)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51S0VHAG7PL._SL500_AA500_.jpg

interesting, i'd personally never refer to a traveller as a gypsy- it's not up there with knacker or tinker as a derogatory term but i'd have considered it the type of word my grandparents would have used. in fact, tinker/knacker itself is a term that wasn't ever used in a perjorative manner historically- both words refer to common livelihoods in travellers up to maybe the 60's- but they're both considered poor form (knacker a lot worse than poor form) to use today

― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:06 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Interesting, D. The whole reason this is interesting to me is because I recently met an Irish Traveller ("Well, I'm Irish but I was born in Bristol so I'm English too and have lived all over so I'm kinda from everywhere") who was later refereed to as a gypsy (by an English person)and I was all sorts of confused. What do you mean a gypsy? You know, a gypsy, an Irish Traveller (using them interchangeably). Anyway that all led to me reading up on some of this and trying to get some clarification. Not all that cut and dry. I'm now reading (like literally have open in another tab) that there are Irish Traveller communities in the States - who knew?!

i work a lot with travellers, it's nice to be an ilxpert on something

kind of hoping people who are from and living in Japan start posting

(when it comes to bizarro racist caricature and stereotypes)

how close is this discussion to the subject of crust punks/street kids right now

still a ways off, I think. Although I have a friend who lived somewhat of that lifestyle and also was really into hopping trains for a few years

tbh the traveller community is pretty damn interesting - a lot of it, at least

Also re "My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding". They use Gypsy in the title but gypsy/traveller interchangeably in the show even though most of the ppl featured on the show are actually Irish travellers. I think that is pretty common in UK media and maybe why the distinction isn't all that clear?

I hear talk of Travelers around where I live (no, not the Arkansaw Traveler.)

Guys showing up with extra oil from another job and making a deal to seal it on your driveway.

Or painting address numbers on the curb that wash away with the first rain.

x-post - My best friend's little sister ran away from home at 16 to be a crust punks/street kids. I spent several nights out looking for her on the streets when I'd heard she might be in town. I know more than I'd like to about the subject tbh. She hopped trains too at one point.

there should be a sci-fi movie about time gypsies aka time travelers who venture back and forth through time conning people

they would call it TIME GYP

PP - yeah, most of the traveller communities in the states seem to be in the south and are descended from travellers who left during the Famine, I guess.

tarmacadam, kerblaying, painting are big traveller jobs in england so i'd guess the same over in the states

here, tbh, nobody would be likely to hire a known traveller workgang. the majority of known traveller community income comes from scrap metal deadling and welfare, the majority of assumed traveller income comes from illegal fighting and betting on same and criminal activity

timegyp awes

"they painted ID numbers on my starship and they washed off the first time i passed through a supernova."

'what do you mean the warpdrive is missing?'

ENBB how old is she now/she hasn't come back at all? that's the worst.

there should be a sci-fi movie about time gypsies aka time travelers who venture back and forth through time conning people

R.A. Lafferty's story "Land of the Great Horses" isn't quite this but it does deal with gypsies and time travel, of a sort.

they would call it TIME GYP

― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:22 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

TIME TRAVELLER

"this so-called piece of rare metal from the betelgeusean system ended up being from pluto."

making a killing stripping down the remnants of the death star

- "So you went back in time to save Lincoln from being shot?"
- "No, but I did do a really shitty job painting his barn."

Time travel + Gypsies = Tim Powers' awesome Anubis Gates.

Also I like how we've established that there's no gypsies/travellers/roma on this thread, so it's a-ok for racist jokes about them.

hmm i think imagining, as ilx is wont to do, what themes might run through a traveller-themed space movie doesn;t quite qualify, but i dunno

like i'm EVER going to catch up with the 238974394723947829342 posts since my monkey-ignorance post ~8 hours ago but

1. djp otm re learning that a word has racist connotations then never ever using it ever again
2. had no idea whatsoever about the 'uppity' thing until this morning (thanks urbandictionary)
3. ilx needs a racist word cataloguing thread for those of us who might say 'butter dish' without knowing what it means

xp i suppose we could ask the 'Is This Racist' thread, tbf

oh god i just looked up 'butter dish'

holy shit just GIS'd 'butter dish' these eyes these eyes doc they've seen too much

I'm glad you two feel like you can joke about this.

http://images.gama-go.com/product/lifestyle/buddha-butter-dish-4.jpg

guys i don't see anything particularly...oh fuck

that's not racist look how happy he is!

i have a bunch of smiley Buddha's in the house :(

none of them are butter dishes tho, but one is a money box

fap at NV's house, i'll just hang back and rest my legs while you guys get the tour from him.

hmm i think imagining, as ilx is wont to do, what themes might run through a traveller-themed space movie doesn;t quite qualify, but i dunno

― (govtname)mac (darraghmac), Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:57 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3f/Pluto_Nash.jpg/220px-Pluto_Nash.jpg

omar i think he's got about 60p in him, sorry

lol @ underlined "man"

damn