Lana Del Rey

i mean, fiona had a pretty limited palette too. and she also had catchy songs, hearbreakm laments, psychsexual drama, and decent production. AND she could stalk a stage and captivate. and pout. she was good at it! probably younger then lana when she had her heyday too. don't know how old people are anymore.

"psychosexual"

actually i'm guessing about the psychosexual element, cuz i don't remember her lyrics too well, but the big one had the boyfriend with the deviant lifestyle and all that. whatever that meant. and the seedy calvin klein video kinda went in that direction.

sorry, i'm kinda derailing this other, uh, thing with fiona talk. carry on.

i haven't read anything on hro about this, though a language that is explicitly sexist would be preferable to an endless displacement, where certain tropes are allowed to enter in that normally have no place but refuse to rise to the surface. i mean florence or feist or robyn or p much any harvest of "quirky chicks" buzz cycles where their authenticity is so easily toppled. its a pretty similar narrative that gets repeated, it has to do with unmasking in some sense. it has its own identifiable features and it does illustrate a gender dynamic, a way in which women artists can only be framed one way regardless so that their adoption of a certain image is also this thing that makes them easy to dismiss. and yeah this does all have a lot to do with rape discourses, which tend to feature heavily this need to blame women for their ways of self-presenting. it has implications that it doesn't for men. there are roads that go places. to point that out is not to call everybody a rapist but like seriously this thread reads super badly. i probably shouldn't have singled out one post by one poster. for that i'm sorry.

As far as I can tell, LDR has no interest in owning a stage. She's aiming at a Dorothy Vallens vibe and doesn't have the life damage/acting chops to pull off that kind of mystique.

there are roads that go places?

i'm not blaming ldr for how she's presenting herself. my post that you quoted above was showing the mismatch between how she presented herself on her recorded single and how she seemed to be trying and failing to present herself that way on SNL.

also, for the record, i don't believe ldr should expect criticism + condemnation bc she dresses provocatively. i do think she should expect criticism bc she's a public figure and much like politicians, actors, and other people who have chosen to be in the spotlight, musicians (both male + female) can expect harsh things to be written about them. sometimes by ppl on ilx. i don't know if it's a good thing. it's probably a deeply embedded human thing.

short of performing behind gauze in front of a million candles while standing on a wind machine, surrounded by brass buttons held at precise, oscillating angles aloft by a trained chorus of vassals, i'm not sure she could have synced the presentation of herself in the video with that of an uncontrolled performance on SNL

musicians (both male + female) can expect harsh things to be written about them

but the nature of those things are often different for female musicians!

oh wait, you are the guy that was oblivious to the egregious gender stereotyping in Almost Famous. Why am I bothering?

t/s potential gender insensitivity vs calling people rapey

i called what he said rapey

well now how could that possibly come off wrong

i think it came off about right

"i'm not saying you are an actual rapist, i am just saying that you say things the way a rapist would say them. no offense intended."

her failing to deliver on her "sexy image" justifies for the harsh backlash.

― judith, Wednesday, January 18, 2012 4:55 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

okay, but i didn't see anyone saying anything remotely like that ITT. you say that this thread reads badly, but if there's something concrete you object to, it'd help if you'd point it out. i agree, by the way, that there's a narrative of exposure and humiliation that we often attempt to enact with pop stars, especially female pop stars.

^agreed. and it's despicable, in or out of ILX. but i don't think pointing the finger at mordy and calling his posts rapey is at all helpful.

oh wait, you are the guy that was oblivious to the egregious gender stereotyping in Almost Famous. Why am I bothering?

i wasn't going to say anything but seriously? i disagreed w/ your reading of almost famous so it's not worth even having a conversation with me?

*agreeing with contenderizer's last poing about ritual humiliation

*point

poing!

haha

xxp - whoa, i was pretty aggro an hour ago. basically, non-judgmentally, what seems obvious to me, doesn't seem obvious to you.

mellow has 2 l's too

Delusional? Haha Who are you? Listen to yourself. She ain't ready to **** with the big dogs? LMFAO man who are you? Do you not understand how irrelevant your opinion even is? Can you hit a note in front of a hooters crowd let alone live on SNL yourself? This is what the **** I'm talking about man LMFAO. I'm sick of these mother****ers. I'm sick of these snobbish indie ****s and their Vampire Weeknd graphic tees and Coachella 3 day passes, I'm sick of these hipsters in their straw fedora hats and Clark's showing us their ankles walking down the street thinking they know everything about music and the industry just because they own pet sounds on vinyl, I'm sick of these bloggers, I'm sick of these faceless ****s on the Internet who think their opinion is the end all be all and have this fantasy in their head that what they say on their personal blogspot named after their favorite Michael Cera quote or their stupid ****ing tumblr with their pictures of Bon Iver and personal reviews of old Hitch**** and Kubrick films actually ****ing matter. That their meaningless, uninformed, irrelevant opinions actually reach the masses and some random person in Hong Kong or LA or ****ing Kansas actually gives a **** about SNL, or The " Big dogs" or even Lana her ****ing self. That the real world actually gives a **** because if they did, why the **** would her EP be selling? **** this ****. I'm not defending this performance. I'm just now getting up on all the information about this album but this **** has to stop. At some point these people are going to have to turn off their computers. Walk outside and realize that what they say and what they think really doesn't ****ing matter.

i am v much in favour of m@tt's fiona talk (and it strikes me as pretty relevant), and when the tennis is over i might continue it

fiona is technically very talented which makes her involvement in this discussion unnecessary I think. She walked out on stage at a show I was at a couple months ago and was p incredible, she looked like she weighed ten pounds though

xp That is a fine rant. Assumed it was from somewhere else but found nothing when I googled it.

Did you try googling "their personal blogspot named after their favorite Michael Cera quote"?

funnily enough, I did. Apparently, it's "You would like be the meanest wife ever."

this morning i saw a news segment on Fuse about Lana Del Rey and her talking about how she doesn't like live TV, and then i changed the channel and MTV Hits had a news segment about Lana Del Rey responding to her 'haters,' it's kind of surreal that they're basically beaming this stuff out to a viewing audience that for the most part probably hasn't heard her music at all yet if they didn't see the SNL performances.

i can't say for sure, but I wouldn't be shocked if more people watch SNL than Fuse or MTV Hits

well sure, duh. i just mean that they're doing this blanket media push on all these different outlets, and it's less "here's a new artist to be excited about" and more "here's someone you might've just heard of for the first time a week ago responding to their first big career controversy." it's weird.

i'm a sucker for her betty-boop squeals in "off to the races"

― ⚓ (gr8080), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 2:48 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

so otm

also the 'light of my life/fire of my loins' reminds me of most fav thread titles

Ebay, Light Of My Life, Fire Of My Loins, My Sin, My Soul

xp Thanks - couldn't find it earlier for some reason

Tbh the reason I immediately jumped on that line was bcz I confused Michael Cera with John Cena

...reviews of old Hitch**** and Kubrick films...

I'm sick of these indie snobs with their Urban Outfitter coupons and their Juno blu rays. It's truly astonishing to me how quick people are to hate instead of love and support. The performance was nothing to brag about for sure but my god, how about some support? Some encouraging words maybe? It's like the fan doesn't even exist anymore. It's just a bunch **** faces in high water tan skinny jeans and wing tips with Iphones surgically attached to their hands looking to be impressed while you perform on bended knee praying that their next tweet doesn't break you. **** outta here

love this guy

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-K4wYx9pu_9Y/TbI4YUFhuOI/AAAAAAAAAIE/BhfmvL6Em78/s1600/Pump%2B2.jpg

Maybe this has been posted elsewhere but it fits here. LDR obsession turns Carles into Howard Beale, only more self-hating.

http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/2012/01/lana-me-our-dark-abusive-co-dependent-relationship-content-farm-carles.html

i finally saw that SNL performance, was pretty bad i guess but not that big of a deal, i don't know what ppl would expect from her

she seemed to be using a weird english accent kinda

it's called "I haven't figured out how to adapt my classical voice teacher's technique to my pop music yet" syndrome

tbh, unless she lit herself on fire in the middle of the performance there's literally no SNL performance bad enough that couldn't be described as 'not that big of a deal.' We are dealing with one pop musician on a sketch comedy show. The stakes could be lower, but in the scheme of things, not by much.

not sure how anyone can actually read HRO and find it "compelling"

Hitch****

!!

haven't read everything hro has written about ldr because I don't have 5 hours to spare but I don't think it can all be chalked up to sexism or whatever, he did the same thing w/ animal collective back in teh day

not sure how anyone can actually read HRO and find it "compelling"

well that's true enough