gotta say I'm pleasantly surprised at Raphael Saadiq's Stone Rollin''s placing (#39 with 33 votes), I figured it would get nowhere near the (inferior) The Way I See It (#18 with 45 votes in 2008) but it had a pretty respectable showing.
― Whitechocolatespacecase (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
Much of pop music—with a few exceptions, and God bless Lady Gaga—had a bread and circuses flavor this year, especially as experienced online. As long as we're arguing amongst ourselves about Lana Del Rey or Tyler, the Creator, we're not discussing unemployment, #OWS, or the simple fact that the majority of GOP presidential candidates are certifiably batshit crazy.
Jim TestaWeehawken, New Jersey
Amazed anyone still seriously uses "bread and circuses" about pop music. Most of the people (ILX mainly) I discussed OWS with were the same people I discussed Tyler and LDR with. Amazing how the human brain can accommodate more than one topic.
― Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
think of all the starving children he could have been feeding (or at least TALKING about feeding) at the exact moment he was writing that shitty Pazz & Jop comment instead
― Whitechocolatespacecase (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
I know my biggest concern in the world today is that not enough people have been talking about why Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich are kinda nutty.
― Whitechocolatespacecase (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
think about all the poor children who can't afford circuses.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
The only thing I didn't get about Dr. M's original post was why an album at #58 and a single at #33 was proof that "u ppl shore like" the JF.
By 'you people' I meant most of the 8 or so ILXors whose ballots I looked at.
sd, I'd love to explain every little goofy nuance of all my posts to you but zzzzzzzz
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
at this point the gop presidential race is way more bread+circuses than pop music
― occupy the A train (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
for what's its worth, my comments were ALL about the destruction of the human race. but i am thinking about LDR right now...
― scott seward, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
late to the thread but are you fucking kidding me re: tune-yards??
― pat methamphetamine (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ woke up to my Facebook feed clogged with these posts.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ sang this post to the tune of "Turn My Swag On"
― Whitechocolatespacecase (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
Whiney, I think you have to give up complaining about mediocre indie rock and middlebrow rap when your cash your first spin paycheck
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
tbf Spin's top 20 rap albums was superior in every possible way to P&J's top 20 rap albums
― Whitechocolatespacecase (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
who's the biggest "oh hey i guess they put out an album this year" artist on the list -- for me it was The Decemberists
― Whitechocolatespacecase (some dude), Wednesday, January 18, 2012 10:10 AM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
their album went #1 this year!
― pass the hatchet i think i'm gordon (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
US Number 1 Albums Of 2011
― pass the hatchet i think i'm gordon (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
Highest artist that I have not heard of on the Albums list:57 The Men, Leave Home
Highest artist that I have not heard of on the singles list:44 Blawan, "Getting Me Down"
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
Still pissed they got rid of the reissues category.
― Jazzbo, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
also btw jon/via/chi I'm actually really really impressed by your ballot
― pass the hatchet i think i'm gordon (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
i don't really get the passion some people have for year-end reissues lists -- like i think it's great that reissues are consumed and written about but imo it doesn't lend itself to year-end listmaking like new releases.
― Whitechocolatespacecase (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
can't find 'Jon Viachi' on the ballots page...is his real name Jonny Leather?
― Whitechocolatespacecase (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
xpost -- Agreed, and related to that:
doesn't ned do pazz & jop? he could have been the 3rd vote for the 5 eps.
Conflict of interest! And I did submit a ballot for the first time in a while. Full rundown of all choices done last month on my blog.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
no singles? BAD ned, bad bad ned ::waves rolled up newspaper::
― Whitechocolatespacecase (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
Fuck a singles list.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
He's the fourth Jonathan alphabetically.
― Girl I want to take you to a JBR (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
(Apologies for using your GOVERNMENT NAME.)
― Girl I want to take you to a JBR (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
undone - the brah song
― Whitechocolatespacecase (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:08 AM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Whitechocolatespacecase (some dude), Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:09 AM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Our top 40 list is better than the Pazz top 40 too....
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
yeah apologies jvc xxp
― pass the hatchet i think i'm gordon (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.savewesternoh.org/images/Give%20Me%20a%20Break%20Stossel.jpg
xp
― Seriously, who votes for Drake? (Nicole), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
well, for better or worse i feel like MOST halfway decent year-end lists compiled by an individual critic or specific publication's staff tend to be "better" than P&J, the latter just holds more weight in the consensus-measuring sense. i was just depending Spin against the 'middlebrow rap' zing because that list was suitably goonish.
― Whitechocolatespacecase (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
i don't really get the passion some people have for year-end reissues lists -- like i think it's great that reissues are consumed and written about but imo it doesn't lend itself to year-end listmaking like new releases.I just think reissues/compilations should be a separate category — as P&J did in the past — so as not to confuse things or split votes. What’s the point of an old Smashing Pumpkins album or the Beach Boys “Smile” box set competing with new music released in 2011? In 1991, P&J wisely kept “Nevermind” from going up against “James Brown: Star Time,” “The Complete Stax-Volt Singles 1958-1968,” “Ray Charles: The Birth of Soul” or “Phil Spector: Back to Mono (1958-1969).” Similarly, three year’s later Hole’s “Live Through This” didn’t compete with “Louis Armstrong: Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man: 1923-34.”Plus, I just want to see if I missed anything. Without a separate category, there are fewer reissues mentioned overall IMO.
― Jazzbo, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i definitely agree that reissues being in the main poll clouds things up, i raised an eyebrow earlier today at this ballot that has THREE reissues of very popular well known albums on it: http://www.villagevoice.com/pazznjop/critics/2011/686341/
i guess i'm not sure why someone would do that if not given the option to do a seperate reissues ballot, and even then i confess losing that part of the poll doesn't feel like a huge loss to me. reissues lists are interesting but measuring consensus on them seems so abstract; are you voting for the ALBUM itself primarily or how much value is added by the remastering or bonus material or liner notes? would you a vote for an album you loved for years if it went back in print this year with particular changes or improvements, or only for something that you discovered for the first time as of the reissue? i imagine lots of voters answering these questions differently, which makes the 'results' of such a poll kind of a meaningless mish mash.
― lana shel game (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
*with NO particular changes or improvements
― lana shel game (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
wtf are you listening ro when hella dated Smashing Pumpkins records sound better than anything else in 2011
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
haha what an unbelievably terrible ballot
― HOOS steen is it anyway? (Lamp), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
the smile sessions are a bit tricky though, because it's not really a reissue, the stuff was never officially released or leaked in that form before.
i mean, if a band's album sits in limbo for 3 years then comes out, it's kinda the same thing imo
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
haha i found that when i was looking to see if anyone voted for that great Craig Wedren record and was v disappointed when i saw the rest of the ballot
― lana shel game (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
Ned (and everyone else), please vote in the ILM 2011 poll! It's clearly a more worthy enterprise. If you're already maxed out on list-making for the year you can just resubmit your P+J ballot.
― rhetorical questino (seandalai), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
yeah Smile is a unique case, although something like that that's such a big deal and in some ways still a 'new' product i feel like it's fair game for the main poll, like Bruce's The Promise the year before.
― lana shel game (some dude), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
Drake and Rick Ross, probably
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
that dudes ballot is like inverse case of those ppl whose ballots i checked cuz the voted for like a rad spectrum spools lp and find at least one terrible james blake record or s.thing in the rest of their top ten
― HOOS steen is it anyway? (Lamp), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
are you voting for the ALBUM itself primarily or how much value is added by the remastering or bonus material or liner notes?
Most of the reissues that used to score in the results, when it was its own category, weren't really this kind, though -- They tended more often to be career retrospectives, or box sets, or unearthings of previously obscure stuff by cult acts like Os Mutantes or Shuggie Otis or Esquivel or whoever. (Not saying the category was great -- in fact, mediocre cult acts who got hip cred for a year and bloated boxes by Hall Of Famers were part of what dragged it down. Which is part of why the category wound up seeming like a waste of time to tabulate. Just saying it wasn't dominated by pre-existing old albums with outtakes tacked on.)
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
Agreed that "Smile" is a special case when it comes to reissues. Similarly, "The Basement Tapes" (1975) and "VU" (1985) were also "new" music.
― Jazzbo, Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
cover feature on the artist with the #190 albumhttp://thewire.co.uk/images/artists/lil_b/cover336.jpg
― Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
gtfo
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
shut it all the fuck down
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
photo is all "thank you based godzilla"
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
i knew you would be pleased
― Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
wanna read that KFW article tbh
― 誤 means 訳. 訳 means 侮辱. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
haha i was thinking the same thing. p excited for the record he has coming out on editions mego. (i was also happy to see ital on the cover but i doubt youd share that enthusiasm)
― HOOS steen is it anyway? (Lamp), Wednesday, 18 January 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link