jop jop jop pazz and jop 2011

the Church album isn't bad at all -- "Drink in My Hand" is much better than "Red Solo Cup."

i thought it was kool to like that destroyer record? or is that indie fucc now?

i like it

the pj harvey record is really amazing i think, i'm glad it finished high

i know it's not a surprise at this point but a new Radiohead album hitting #33 in this thing is still pretty incredible

I need time to process all of this Drake love.

now that "Gucci Gucci" is officially the 7th most acclaimed rap song of 2011 maybe deej can stfu about how critics supposedly all hate Kreayshawn

― Reginald "Bono" Dwight (some dude), Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:54 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

considering the amount of attention it got, managing to get 20 critics on board for the song isn't exactly an overwhelming victory. There were more pieces written about how she was a shitty rapper than there were voters for her in a poll

Haven't heard of:

57. The Men

P.S. - I voted for Drake.

i just checked, no one voted for a max b mixtape in 2009

― somebody sh1pley the brinks truck (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:56 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and the only ones who voted for gucci were like the 5 of us from ilx + noz. what's your point

there were more pieces about how drake was a shitty rapper than there were voters for him in the poll. that doesn't mean anything.

The critical establishment's dogmatic popism eliminates any consideration of the philosophy surrounding the creative and commercial genesis of music and elevates the aesthetic, so whatever sounds best must be best, and now somehow independent music has wound up in a place where Beyoncé is on the same purely aesthetic playing field that Sharon Van Etten is, because it makes you powerfully, stinkingly uncool to point out that Beyoncé is a meticulously calculated, choreographed, and focus group-approved product of the same system that Sharon Van Etten's forebears in independent music rose up as a direct response to. Suddenly Sharon Van Etten sounds a little thin without the help of a billion-dollar machine. Like Mitt Romney said: "Corporations are people, too, my friend."
David Shapiro

nice terrible comment here

there were more pieces about how drake was a shitty rapper than there were voters for him in the poll. that doesn't mean anything.

― Reginald "Bono" Dwight (some dude), Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:53 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the fact that 22 critics like kreayshawn doesn't 'prove' that she wasnt overhated either

althoguh my familiarity w/ a lot of other artists only extends as far as "i saw their name on a website (usually ilx) a couple times, couldn't tell you a thing about them"

Same. A few of them (e.g., Danny Brown) I hadn't encountered until they started showing up on year-end lists/blog posts/roundtables.

The critical establishment's dogmatic popism eliminates any consideration of the philosophy surrounding the creative and commercial genesis of music and elevates the aesthetic, so whatever sounds best must be best, and now somehow independent music has wound up in a place where Beyoncé is on the same purely aesthetic playing field that Sharon Van Etten is, because it makes you powerfully, stinkingly uncool to point out that Beyoncé is a meticulously calculated, choreographed, and focus group-approved product of the same system that Sharon Van Etten's forebears in independent music rose up as a direct response to. Suddenly Sharon Van Etten sounds a little thin without the help of a billion-dollar machine. Like Mitt Romney said: "Corporations are people, too, my friend."
David Shapiro

nice terrible comment here

― I Love Pedantry (D-40), Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:57 PM (5 minutes ago)

wow

thnx @ jordan, I really like Scott PL's essay

PRR comin' out swingin'

primarily for putting in perspective music that I don't follow particularly closely. It's hard to give these results shape but he did a really good job of it imo xp to myself

lol two difft people just tweeted at me that they thought scott seward's comment was mine b/c of the formatting. kind of lol to imagine me writing that one

& it looks like alfred wrote my comment

Also, why the kvetching about Drake when "Moves Like Jagger" somehow got 11 votes.

newest tori amos album didn't get a single solitary vote, damn

Ha that David Shapiro comment is sooo close to being an MM post about Lady Gaga and autotune and Satanism

That's what happens when glenn mcdonald does metal-only ballots.

P.S. - Hi, glenn!

xpost

dude, deej, i thought i wrote this when i first saw it and i got scared:

Scott Seward
Greenfield, Massachusetts

Bon Iver, James Blake, M83, and Girls. Why aren't our heroes pissing more people off? Why are they so polite?

good comment tho

wait if maura did pazz and jop, who did jackin' pop this year?

clemenza comments v much in character

https://twitter.com/#!/somanyshrimp/status/159492720224780288

what song are you guys singing the thread title to?

duke of earl innit

robbie and becky, duh

i shit on stereogum from time to time but the two ballots closest to mine were from guys that work there so maybe i should stfu

<3 j0rdan for voting for patrick stump

yes, thankfully p&j ballots are due later than anything

Does the phrase "jazz and pop" sound unnatural to anyone itt?

college - a real hero

seen this song pop up on ballots of three ppl i checked for, never heard of it in my entire life

oh it's from the drive soundtrack, durr

yeah i say "durr" whenever people rep for the drive soundtrack too

spoiler alert: it sounds like m83

for some reason "sure thing" is credited everywhere as miguel ft. j. cole

yeah some kind of mixup with "all i want is you" -- i already pointed that out to glenn to hopefully fix

listened to stump for the first time tonight, i should fuck with this more

whiney why are u posting tweets here?

i was kind of annoyed that it seems like everyone is crediting "zan with that lean" to soulja boy instead of kwony cash

Great comments this year from Alfred.

I really like Scott PL's essay

i think hes p much totally wrong in the way hes interpreting the results tbh. esp in that i dont think underground music has reacted to increased hype cycles/technological immediacy by becoming more homogeneous and conservative and that ppl arent making 'bold and brave' (lol) weirdo music? also my gut feeling is that this poll has never and probably will have much overlap with 'the underground's more discerning ears' (and giving that title to the dude who runs gorilla vs bear is just...). we kinda had this argument in last year's ilm poll but what whiney called 'avant-indie' is by nature marginal and anti-consensus and so is going to fair poorly in these polls.

who's that? i've only seen that song credited to soulja boy and there's no mention of kwony cash in the first page of google results for the song. (xpost)

i was kind of annoyed that it seems like everyone is crediting "zan with that lean" to soulja boy instead of kwony cash

― I Love Pedantry (D-40), Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:42 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

well you do realize that the songs get formatted so it all says one thing, right? like, no voters for miguel's "sure thing" credited as a j. cole feature, let alone every voter

kwony cash sings the hook -- deej's post just now is worded wrong in that it makes it seem like kwony cash should be credited for the entire song as opposed to just a feature

i read that it was kwony cash's song originally & soulja boy jumped on it & rereleased it

http://www.hotnewhiphop.com/zachariahsodmg-zan-lean-feat-kwony-cash-j-money-song.324503.html

Add me to the list of people who had never heard of tUnE-yArDs. I opened the main page for P&J and my first thought was that somebody had hacked the VV's website.

oh nev mind that's just mistitled. idk