the bbc sherlock series by the dr who 'bloke' and starring tim from the office

This was pretty much Doctor Who vs The Joker!

Guys it was obvious that Molly grew a Sherlock clone in her lab. Sherlock engineered the fake phone call to Watson because the clone was about to wake up.

Bit humiliating for Molly not to get her own assassin, eh

She was treated so rudely and dismissively by Sherlock that Moriarty figured she was not worth the trouble. I personally would have said "Oh well, sorry, can't help!" if Sherlock had asked me for help after behaving like such a complete twatwaffle.

Yeah, funny chaps, johnny hormones.

Moffat:

"There is a clue everybody's missed," he says tantalisingly. "So many people theorising about Sherlock's death online – and they missed it! We've worked out how Sherlock survives, and actually shot part of what really happened. It all makes sense."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2012/jan/20/steven-moffat-sherlock-doctor-who

I am getting tired of Moffat's "I'm so much more clever than everyone!" interviews. Dude, we all saw the Season Six finale, let's be real here.

Someone somewhere posted that the head honcho at the Baskerville place had mentioned something about cloning when talking about the weird goings-on there. I will physically break stuff if that's involved in any way.

Though obv I am awe of how Moffat has read the entire internet.

Sherlock had a dummy in the flat in this episode - I assumed it was something to do with that but seems unlikely actually.

thought that was there to paint a fish scarlet

apparently some of the chinese internet has spent a lot of time talking about how you can use a stressball in your armpit to temporarily cut off the pulse at your wrist, and dude was playing with a stressball for lots of the episode? idk i can't really be arsed to watch the show again to see if this is plausible,

I've read that a few places too. Was a squash ball iirc.

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so i finally caught up w/this and liked it a lot! i don't think the plots withstand too much scrutiny, but that's okay. also the baskerville ep was kind of lame.

a question for britishes: what were the less-bbc accents of ms adler and d.i. lestrade supposed to convey?

Haha what? Lara Pulver is totally BBC, surely. I don't think anything was meant to be conveyed by accents - there are a *lot* of varying ones in the UK!

as someone who hasn't read the books i really liked the show! i wish that britishes knew how to make real seasons, though. 3-4 episodes do not a season make.

though they are long episodes at least!

i wish i hadn't burned through all of them in, like, 3 days a few weeks ago... because this is the kind of thing i feel like watching right now, ohwell

exactly!

i guess there's a bunch of dr. who, but i'm not sure if i'm ready

get ready!

I tried watching the doctor who pilot in netflix bc of sherlock connection and I was not feeling :(

it gets better. but is perhaps an acquired taste. I mean, one has to keep in mind that it's a family show, after all.

And Sherlock is no family show...

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I tried watching the doctor who pilot in netflix bc of sherlock connection and I was not feeling :(

uh it has changed style more than a few times since 1963! you would be much better starting off with either Blink (a Moffatt one-off from the RTD run) or The Eleventh Hour (the first episode of Moffatt's run as head writer/producer).

I think she means the pilot of the revived series. Anyway, I think it starts getting good with "Father's Day," which is the third episode of season 1. Stay with it, teh! #itgetsbetter

ah, they didn't do a pilot for the revival, though*! for anyone coming to it because of Moffatt, though, I would strongly advise against sitting through four years of RTD, much of which is actively awful. You can absolutely start watching with The Eleventh Hour, and if you get into it, go back and fill in gaps later. But a Sherlock fan should enjoy Blink generally.

*the first episode didn't even get finished in its production run, and had to have scenes picked up by other directors later in other blocks

ok so if i dl'd the eccleston season is that a good place to start or not

wait, five years of RTD! stupid specials.

also, Father's Day is painfully dumb

mookie - if you don't enjoy Eccleston, follow my suggestions above (or migrate to a Who thread where I will give detailed ones). there's a v good Moffatt two-parter in the Eccleston year though, so at least skip to that before abandoning.

the end of the Ecclestone year is p much not worth watching anyway though. (actually this applies to the end of ALL RTD years, only moreso)

i am fine with eccleston, i guess, since i know nothing else? in any case, i don't understand your banter, as it were

RTD?

RTD = Russell T. Davies, the first show-runner. And hell, I liked his seasons!

AND I liked the season finales as well! I'm terrible. And I'm not terribly bothered about RTD's tendency for deus ex machina.

And I assumed that teh meant the first episode when she referred to the "pilot."

who did you buy a fez for, though

I'm sure you're right in context - pilots /= first episodes tho, and they DID make a pilot in 1963!

{aside - I haven't seen the pilot since '92, but rewatched the re-mounted first ep two months ago, and it's rly great.)

who did you buy a fez for, though

It was a gift for myself!

Accents. Lestrade: Uncomplicated 'bloke', via non-posh fairly standard estuary english implying highish middle-brow education (good state school education, second-tier university).

Adler: Kensington arriviste (ie BBC-ish, but with a hint of the vulgar - slightly broader vowels/drawl iirc?). Proper Kensington/Chelsea people say things like 'nay jakes' (heard on the tube the other day).

actually cut the 'BBC-ish' thing, that's become more complicated in the last couple of decades, and can't be equated with any equally dubious concept of 'RP'. Guess I meant high middle class. People go on about the English class system; it certainly persists and is horrid, but I love it. English of all stripes are basically massive snobs.

sorry. i said pilot because i thought it was a new show based on the old one? anyway it's whatever netflix has as episode one, with secret diary of a call girl girl and mannequins trying to take over the world. does this mean i actually have to research who directed/wrote/produced each episode to determine what's worth watching? and will i miss anything in the overall story doing this?

That's the first episode of the reboot, which is more a continuation of the show rather than a new version.

I wouldn't bother with the research, just watch through consecutively from there. You'll soon figure out who the good/bad writers are.

ailsa otm, just watch the whole durn thing!!! Each season is only 13 episodes, so it won't take that long, so the time invested even in the dud episodes won't be that much (and imo the number of genuinely dire episodes is actually very low, contra sic, the bulk are mediocre but the British conception of sci-fi was pretty fresh to me when I watched). And yes, the seasons do generally develop towards a long arc, so you should watch most of them in order (INCLUDING the Christmas specials, if you're a continuity Nazi communist).

Yeek, post could've used some proofreadin'.

Note I am not getting involved.

Every series is hugely patchy but the good bits make it worth persevering. If you get through the Ecclestone series and don't like any of it (especially Dalek, The Empty Child/Doctor Dances and Father's Day) then it probably isn't going to be for you.

yeah, i'm not sure i'd recommend jumping in on something like 'Blink', i think it'd be like starting watching Buffy with 'Hush' or 'The Body'? but starting at 'eleventh hour' might work, as that's quite an introductory episode.

Blink is a) totally standalone, b) by Moffatt and c) a MYSTERY!!! hence recommended for someone coming to Dr Who blind because "the sherlock 'bloke'" does it

otherwise yes Eleventh Hour is totally introductory and...

Each season is only 13 episodes, so it won't take that long,

...with the Christmas specials and the final year of Tennant, this is telling someone who hasn't liked her first RTD episode "oh it's only another FORTY-SEVEN HOURS of that to sit through to get to the Steven Moffatt run!"

TEHRESA!: The Moffatt episodes in the first five years are
S01e09 and S01e10 - a two-parter of The Empty Child / The Doctor Dances
S02e04 - The Girl In The Fireplace
S03e10 - Blink
and S04e09 / S04e10 - a two-parter that's his weakest, but the only one that actually sets up stuff in his run proper. Silence In The Library / Forest Of The Dead.

Then there's a year without a series number, and Moffat has been in charge through S05 and S06. S05e01 is The Eleventh Hour.

You will ABSOLUTELY NOT miss anything by only watching his episodes* - if you find you enjoy a certain Doctor/companion combination, you can go back and fill-in later. I have tested this method on ladyn00bs before (with 3 optional non-Moffatt eps thrown in, including the one you've watched) and it has been totally effective.

*the Doctor is an alien with a blue box that travels in time and space, and his face changes periodically. OK, you're set.

this is telling someone who hasn't liked her first RTD episode "oh it's only another FORTY-SEVEN HOURS of that to sit through to get to the Steven Moffatt run!"

Wait, NOBODY liked "Rose" all that much! This is cutting the nose to spite the face for real, especially when there's great non-Moff episodes like "School Reunion," "Human Nature"/"Family of Blood," "Midnight," and "The Shakespeare Code." (I should note that I've found Moff's run to be incredibly disappointing, what with its phallocentrism and such.)

The sixth season was disappointing, but the fifth season to me was perfect and everything I ever wanted from this show. Well, except for the Silurians.

teensy lol that "hey, mark gatiss wrote some doctor who episodes too!" has not come up as a selling point thus far.