Lana Del Rey

first response hall of fame

http://www.bimbobeautiful.com/2011/12/video-games.html

okay I'm sorry for this derail but WHAT THE FUCK:

While searching for videos of a different singer, Scooter Braun, a former marketing executive of So So Def, clicked on one of Bieber's 2007 videos by accident.[16] Impressed, Braun tracked down the theater Bieber was performing in, located Bieber's school, and finally contacted Mallette. Mallette was reluctant because of Braun's Jewish religion; she remembered praying, "God, I gave him to you. You could send me a Christian man, a Christian label! ... you don’t want this Jewish kid to be Justin’s man, do you?"[16]

I wonder if Brian Williams remembers when this happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RrLAgi_mBY

i mean "bieber's whole thing" in terms of the narrative of his career, not the actual quality of his horrific music

why would we listen to and talk about this singer when other artists exist?

those lips~~

"I didn't know what to do so I thought I'd do a hoedown" is still the most hilarious response to getting caught lip-synching I've ever seen

i think vanilli said the same thing but "do a ho down" had a differrnet meaning in that context

http://slog.cstv.com/extrainnings/DonHo.jpg

When was the last time you heard an upstart male star denigrated as "manufactured"?

This strawman lurks around every LDR conversation. I've never really read an article that went into the manufacturing of the brand and why she's a fake and all that. Which would be a nice change of pace, rather than reading about how all these articles supposedly exist somewhere. An HRO post doesn't count.

While searching for videos of a different singer, Scooter Braun, a former marketing executive of So So Def, clicked on one of Bieber's 2007 videos by accident.[16] Impressed, Braun tracked down the theater Bieber was performing in, located Bieber's school, and finally contacted Mallette. Mallette was reluctant because of Braun's Jewish religion; she remembered praying, "God, I gave him to you. You could send me a Christian man, a Christian label! ... you don’t want this Jewish kid to be Justin’s man, do you?"

Bieber's family has a real evangelical creeper vibe that seems not too far removed from the Phelps family.

the funny thing is now with everyone asking "she's on a major label, why didn't they get her singing lessons or make sure she was a more confident performer before she went on national TV?" it's almost like people want her to be MORE manufactured

You mean manufactured better.

well that's just because I, personally, really like her recorded output, so I figure if the label is going to insist she perform live, they invest to make her do a good job of it, so people don't see her and say "see? she sucks and you do too!". so it's just kind of a personal ego thing.

yeah i feel that. that's why i think it's silly that it's become so much about whether the criticisms of her are all "personal attacks" or whether people are rooting for her to fail or whatever. in general, fans and non-fans alike would rather see a GOOD performance on SNL than a bad one, or at the very least expect a certain baseline of quality from a performance in that kind of big venue, so questioning why people would criticize the performance harshly just gets away from the fact that she was ostensibly doing her job and promoting what she's supposed to be good at, and it obviously just didn't work out very well.

Isn't expecting performers to be good live rockist, though?

if you're a moron who doesn't understand what the whole "rockism" thing is actually about, yeah

no, let's have that argument again, it was funny upthread too

I think 'live' and 'on TV' are two different things.

Of course Leftsetz has to weigh in (some predictable old guy rockist ranting stuff, some less predictable for him thoughts) plus the Juliette Lewis quote

http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/

SNOT

xp

it was live tv!

i sort of want to like bob lefsetz but he makes so many dimwit assumptions in every piece. everybody who posts his stuff must feel like they're really with it but he reminds me of all those right-of-center political handicappers that everyone seems to love

Ms. Black believed she truly was a star, that people cared, so she dropped out of school to continue her career

uh, i read she dropped out because she was bullied constantly.

Sometimes think the whole rockism/popism debate is some kind of class or test that I thought I successfully completed and put behind me, but due to a bureaucratic snafu there is no record of that so now I have to take it over again long after I've forgotten it. Which is I guess what the lex said upthread- lex otm!

he’s been inside the bubble so long that he can’t see that Ms. Rey (not her real name, of course, but what’s strange is in the Internet era Wikipedia tells us your real name!

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/210/119/+_2acc5a8841f8752904d37f90a8014829.png?1322693145

Like, it's remarkable somehow that pop stars don't use their real names? Would it blow his mind to find out who David Jones and Declan McManus are?

tbf, those dudes both changed their name before they had released their debuts, no? There are no Declan McManus albums floating around out there.

In fact, the number of acts that have changed their name radically mid-career are pretty few and far between, I think. Not that it matters, really.

plenty of people did something that didn't do so well before doing something else that did

Might still be some Flip City albums out there, though, with Declan M on the credits.

David Bowie began his career as Davy Jones and released music under that name. I imagine he's not the only one.

baffled to hell by all this stuff about this woman's name change;
why on earth should it matter?? seriously someone explain this to me.

i'm hoping her skin falls off and turns out she were a lizard all along like Diana outta V or some shiz.

It doesn't really matter, but talking about if it matters or not does.

her HAIR was different then too. it's all just very suspicious.

I don't think I've heard a note from this person, but if I understand correctly, it's not the name change but the fact the record label tried to bury her earlier career. It's not the crime, it's the cover-up, etc.

(Also, Bowie changed his name for practical reasons).

I think this person rubs people the wrong way because she's closer to ... wasn't there a singer or author or something a couple of years back who was heralded for her preciously young age when in fact she was much older? Not so much an issue of authenticity or whatever, but the feeling that someone has pulled a fast one.

practical reasons = commercial reasons. same as LDR.

When Romeo Blue wisely changed his name to Leonard Kravitz his career finally took off.

*Engelbert Humperdinck waits impatiently in wings, stomps foot*

Not so much an issue of authenticity or whatever, but the feeling that someone has pulled a fast one.such feelings are horribly overindulged by a certain class of celebrity-watcher

Reminds me of the controversy surrounding Alanis Morrissette at the time of Jagged Little Pill. The "alternative" crowd were doubting her authenticity because she had done teen-pop records when she was a teen.

wasn't she also on You Can't Do That on Television?

xpost Come on, Bowie shared a name with an actual, existing singer. Commercial reasons? I'd call changing your name so it's not confused with the famous lead singer of the Monkees is a practical reason. It's why Sting changed his name from Reginald Dwight. Bono, too.

I doubt Lou Reed's authenticity because of those Pickwick Records he did under the name Louis "Butch" Firbank.

if reginald dwight is taken the next logical name is definitely "Sting"

It's my number 2, for sure.

It's why Sting changed his name from Reginald Dwight.

lol

new borad description

Commercial reasons? I'd call changing your name so it's not confused with the famous lead singer of the Monkees is a practical reason.

And I'm saying that when you're attempting to establish a marketable artistic identity, commercial reasons = practical reasons.

the manufactured thing is a strawman brought up by everyone else

It's why Sting changed his name from Reginald Dwight. Bono, too.

have to admit that this is pretty amazing