Lana Del Rey

the ashlee simpson stans are still ashlee simpson stans, right?

Ashlee Simpson's jig was hilarious, though

(and also she was never a person to be taken seriously as a musician)

watch out I think lex is still reading this thread

people ignore bad performances by artists they like all the time. what is it about iana del ray that makes you go "I can't trust this performer anymore"

trust her?

and the fact that that song is terrible

― sonderangerbot, Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:47 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Nah that song is still great, fuiud

Ha, the lex is at his most lexist on this thread.

okay, maybe there's a better verb to describe how ya'll feel about her, but nothing about that performance demands 300 handwringing new answers about loni dol ruy

Time for a new dn

shouldn't popists be most concerned about the fact that she only has one good song?

Save that hand-wringing for Austra...

i feel like everyone has it in for this girl for no good reason, it's kind of creept actually. and i'm not even into her music...

― I had to google gucci mane (The Brainwasher), Sunday, January 15, 2012 2:55 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm, there's an element of, like, ppl clamoring to beat each other to backlash & in the most extreme way, "can't fool me!"

Ha, the lex is at his most lexist on this thread.

― I Don't Believe You've Met M. Bébé (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, January 15, 2012 4:11 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

getting tired of reading shit like this & "oh, whiney" iet

OK, you're right, I'll go back and brush up on the basics before I comment again.

Save that hand-wringing for Austra...

Austra has an entire great album!

this thread is what happens when ILX is slow on weekends

didnt mean to single you or that post in partic out, just find theres been a critical amount of reflexive "oh [poster with scandalous posting style], never change you old fool" type posts lately

great dn btw :)

this the youtube i was thinking of, where it seems like she is not a completely walleyed perfomer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwL7f57cDJY

this whole convo will happen again on the ilm eoy poll thread wont it? and that's about 76 places before its announced shes won!

could totally imagine her singing Trash by suede. plus most of dog man star.

Thought it might be the NY Dolls song.

Hmm, her voice actually sounds weaker in that vid and she still seems pretty uncomfortable; I believe that was CMJ 2008.

flopson otm, the whole "you are so YOU" thing is just tiresome at this point, every thread doesn't need to become a catalog of which posts are 'in character'

typical some dude post^

lol

this thread was good before the ship derail

1) whole rockism vs popism has been done to death since seven years ago however
2) to deny the distinction has any meaning at all or can ever be useful seems willfully ignorant especially in debate about whether whether latest pop sensation with one good song has any musical talent, ability, etc and accuse others of needing schooling in the basics doubles up on that
3) Ergo, posts very much in character

0) (why even try to post more than one line on iPhone)

how many t-swift apologists are going in on LDR about not being able to sing live? just lex?

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxljzw1kSB1rn3zv4o1_500.jpg

not gonna lie, that shirt makes me happy

Have to say, strong negative reaction striking me as a little *like punk never happened*. Agree with aerosmith that her pitch was mostly accurate and surprised by the shock over a performer with some natural, human idiosyncrasies. Part of what made it enjoyable imo.

lot of people get away with not being technically accomplished singers if they have some stage presence or charisma, including in punk

like if she had been a really confident performer who just happened to sing off key for a verse the only person being negative itt would be DJP probably

Well, as I said, I think it was technically OK. She would not have won American Idol, but that wasn't the most important thing to me when I watched it.

I think if it was Mary Margaret O'Hara or the Raincoats, something approximately like the charisma and stage presence she projected last night would have been the exact expectation.

yeah it's crazy, almost strikes me as a little *like Lana Del Ray wasn't punk*

The point is that after punk, we don't worry about those things.

i don't want to sound like a total dick, but if you think her performance was technically OK, i think maybe you're not that discriminating?

The Velvet Underground can't play their instruments.

this whole thing feels very reminiscent of the beginning of Liz Phair's career tbh

They make rude remarks about me
They wonder just how wild I would be

the fact that you can make good music without being technically accomplished does not mean that music can't suck when it's badly played/sung, and it moreover doesn't mean that technical proficiency is no longer a valid criticism after punk. the legacy of the velvets etc is that one need not let lack of technical aptitude stand between you and your vision. this legacy is decidedly not "it doesn't matter whether people can play their instruments or not"; to take that as the lesson is to miss not only some of the point, but all of it. after punk (much of which was played by outstanding musicians; if you think Glenn Matlock wasn't an excellent bassist who could've played with absolutely anyone, then you have tin ears), we say "just because something isn't played by a muso doesn't mean it can't be good." it doesn't mean we stop paying attention to whether somebody's a good musician or not, unless we are utter idiots.

unless we are utter idiots.

I don't think you can just assume that this is not true

yeah i'm fairly idiotic in the way i approach music. *shrug*

Yeah, I'm certainly NOT making the point that criticism of music's technical aspects is invalid after punk. I'm asserting that a fundamental of a post-punk world allows for tolerance of, like, the fact that she missed three notes or something in her Saturday Night Live performance.

Man, I was just about to write that this is just like Liz Phair, but was beaten to it. I'm trying to remember the horrible live performance *she* had...was it "Never Said?" I remember her being motionless and terrified...

So everyone should be relax, 'cause in a few years LDR will be coming out with amazing stuff like "Bollywood" and we'll look back on her early career missteps and laugh.

Liz Phair's super-awful SNL was post-Guyville iirc - oh no wait I'm thinking of the Tonight Show when she did one I think called "Double Dutch," that was pretty fuckin harsh

well yeah not many people in general do national TV spots before their first album is even out but i think in general there was a lot of chatter about Phair's stage fright and/or bad performances from very early on

i hadnt heard 'off to the races' til yesterday, its so good also -- i guess i dont really care if shes a trainwreck live

you guys, i just realized that ldr is totally the wife in manos: the hands of fate.

http://horrorfanzine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/manos-the-hands-of-fate-15.jpg

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvi3w6460r1qzozj1.jpg

I remember her being motionless and terrified

I'm beginning to think, perhaps, that's part of the persona/schtick. Its been part of every public performance by LDR I've seen.

Its not gansta Sinatra, its well groomed time-warp abuse victim.