Lana Del Rey

dayo's posting shtick originally intrigued me bc of how assured and even cocky it seemed, but future performances revealed it as being hopelessly amateurish, stammering, playacting that maybe seemed more ironic when i first read it. instead of uncomfortably sincere and frightening.

who am I, lana del ray

what's rockist or not rockist about live shows?

From that K. Sanneh article:

Rockism means idolizing the authentic old legend (or underground hero) while mocking the latest pop star; lionizing punk while barely tolerating disco; loving the live show and hating the music video; extolling the growling performer while hating the lip-syncher.

i can't deal with jaymc's deliberate obtuseness right now either. there is another part to that clause!!!! jesus christ people.

i honestly have no idea why some people are so invested in this weird idea of me as a popist caricature

jc

the idea of thinking that a singer's performance outside of a studio has any bearing on a popist's appreciation of said singer in 2012 seems very bizarre to me

Probably would've given her the right practice to help sell her 'gangsta Nancy Sinatra' image. Do popists think she's doing a good job here?

shouldn't popists be most concerned about the fact that she only has one good song?

and the fact that that song is terrible

I know it's all silly and naive to want people to perform live but some more live experience would probably benefit her greatly, even w the sound off.

you don't have to perform live, but if you do, and it's terrible, you can't expect people to ignore it bc after all performing live isn't meant for all artists...

people ignore bad performances by artists they like all the time. what is it about iana del ray that makes you go "I can't trust this performer anymore"

the ashlee simpson stans are still ashlee simpson stans, right?

Ashlee Simpson's jig was hilarious, though

(and also she was never a person to be taken seriously as a musician)

watch out I think lex is still reading this thread

people ignore bad performances by artists they like all the time. what is it about iana del ray that makes you go "I can't trust this performer anymore"

trust her?

and the fact that that song is terrible

― sonderangerbot, Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:47 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Nah that song is still great, fuiud

Ha, the lex is at his most lexist on this thread.

okay, maybe there's a better verb to describe how ya'll feel about her, but nothing about that performance demands 300 handwringing new answers about loni dol ruy

Time for a new dn

shouldn't popists be most concerned about the fact that she only has one good song?

Save that hand-wringing for Austra...

i feel like everyone has it in for this girl for no good reason, it's kind of creept actually. and i'm not even into her music...

― I had to google gucci mane (The Brainwasher), Sunday, January 15, 2012 2:55 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm, there's an element of, like, ppl clamoring to beat each other to backlash & in the most extreme way, "can't fool me!"

Ha, the lex is at his most lexist on this thread.

― I Don't Believe You've Met M. Bébé (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, January 15, 2012 4:11 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

getting tired of reading shit like this & "oh, whiney" iet

OK, you're right, I'll go back and brush up on the basics before I comment again.

Save that hand-wringing for Austra...

Austra has an entire great album!

this thread is what happens when ILX is slow on weekends

didnt mean to single you or that post in partic out, just find theres been a critical amount of reflexive "oh [poster with scandalous posting style], never change you old fool" type posts lately

great dn btw :)

this the youtube i was thinking of, where it seems like she is not a completely walleyed perfomer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwL7f57cDJY

this whole convo will happen again on the ilm eoy poll thread wont it? and that's about 76 places before its announced shes won!

could totally imagine her singing Trash by suede. plus most of dog man star.

Thought it might be the NY Dolls song.

Hmm, her voice actually sounds weaker in that vid and she still seems pretty uncomfortable; I believe that was CMJ 2008.

flopson otm, the whole "you are so YOU" thing is just tiresome at this point, every thread doesn't need to become a catalog of which posts are 'in character'

typical some dude post^

lol

this thread was good before the ship derail

1) whole rockism vs popism has been done to death since seven years ago however
2) to deny the distinction has any meaning at all or can ever be useful seems willfully ignorant especially in debate about whether whether latest pop sensation with one good song has any musical talent, ability, etc and accuse others of needing schooling in the basics doubles up on that
3) Ergo, posts very much in character

0) (why even try to post more than one line on iPhone)

how many t-swift apologists are going in on LDR about not being able to sing live? just lex?

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxljzw1kSB1rn3zv4o1_500.jpg

not gonna lie, that shirt makes me happy

Have to say, strong negative reaction striking me as a little *like punk never happened*. Agree with aerosmith that her pitch was mostly accurate and surprised by the shock over a performer with some natural, human idiosyncrasies. Part of what made it enjoyable imo.

lot of people get away with not being technically accomplished singers if they have some stage presence or charisma, including in punk

like if she had been a really confident performer who just happened to sing off key for a verse the only person being negative itt would be DJP probably

Well, as I said, I think it was technically OK. She would not have won American Idol, but that wasn't the most important thing to me when I watched it.

I think if it was Mary Margaret O'Hara or the Raincoats, something approximately like the charisma and stage presence she projected last night would have been the exact expectation.

yeah it's crazy, almost strikes me as a little *like Lana Del Ray wasn't punk*

The point is that after punk, we don't worry about those things.

i don't want to sound like a total dick, but if you think her performance was technically OK, i think maybe you're not that discriminating?

The Velvet Underground can't play their instruments.

this whole thing feels very reminiscent of the beginning of Liz Phair's career tbh