Lana Del Rey

:(

Jessie J can't catch a break on any thread today.

That's what SNL should start doing...digital shorts for the musical performances!

LDR SNL performance was like a real version of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdFJTbaFcZ0

Nah, real version of that is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjx_GjyXCs4

LOL @ giant mic!

i don't understand the tone of that whiney idolator post at all.

like it kinda seems like he actually believes there's an SNL conspiracy to make artists sound bad?

yes

never listened to her music but my ver of video games is me singing in a v deep husky voice

why do you plaaaaaaaaaaay
video gaaaaaaaaaaaaaames

So have you been practicing all week for SNL?

Well, no, I haven’t because I’ve been working. I don’t even know what I’m singing! I know it’s “Video Games” and I think “Blue Jeans,” but I thought it was supposed to be “Born to Die,” so I have to go figure that out. I better fucking figure that out! There’s a lot going on so there’s a lot of catching up to do.

Are you excited?

Yeah … I’m excited if it goes well. If it doesn’t, I’m gonna kill myself! But yeah, what an honor. And who knows why, but it’s really nice for me.

Expecting a death notice any minute now.

facepalmsmiley.gif tbh

twitter response...was fucking scathing

so i just watched "video games" performance on youtube, was expecting a trainwreck and it really wasn't THAT bad. Wasn't a great performance or anything, she was obviously a bit nervous, but it wasn't horrible...

i feel like everyone has it in for this girl for no good reason, it's kind of creept actually. and i'm not even into her music...

it wasn't a courtney love style trainwreck - which i could see someone anticipating after some of the comments on twitter - but it was still really terrible in an unfortunately amateur way. bc part of her narrative has already become about her inauthenticity (hard to believe in 2012 but there it is), this confirmed something a lot of ppl believed about her. there was also a lot of, i think, honest enthusiasm about her right after video games came out so there was maybe a feeling like she had a huge groundswell of support inexplicably pushing her to become this hot new artist. personally, i loved video games when i first heard it, played it a bunch, played it for a lot of ppl. the following tracks didn't really interest me at all and then i started seeing her live in various venues and she seems to be getting progressively worse with each performance. also, video games was partially really intriguing to me bc of how self-assured and self-possessed and even cocky it all feels, so these performances have been polar opposites of that. she isn't just nervous, but stammering, playacting, she seems like the confused, out of it persona that maybe seemed more ironic when i first heard video games. instead of uncomfortably sincere and frightening.

^yeah, that coupled with the uber-dramatica lighting and the pseudo-wedding gown. i cringed, personally.

A lot of people sound bad on TV (and esp. SNL) so to me her voice was only a small part of the problem. It's her presence that is so difficult to watch. She's not a performer. She radiates discomfort. She's been playing live in public since at least 2008, so maybe it's just not her thing. There are a lot of musicians in this camp.

i think mordy has def pinpointed the problem there, and actually brainwasher bringing up courtney love is apt, because the thing with c-love trainwrecks is that even at her worst those trainwrecks were entirely in keeping with what you expected of courtney. these LDR performances aren't just missing a few notes, it's more fundamentally that she seems completely awkward about inhabiting/conveying her on-record persona. which reinforces what i grew to think after hearing her other songs - "video games" was a weird one-off piece of magic that i'm not expecting her to recapture any time soon.

If you sell yourself as gangsta and you radiate ziggy, things aren't going to go well in the long run.
http://joshreads.com/images/10/09/i100915ziggy.png

dayo i beat you to the "shreds" joke by 10 hours.

hmm, well I suppose since I was never invested in her in the first place and didn't really get into "video games" until well after she was "exposed" its kind of difficult for me to get that disconnect between her "on-record persona" and live performances that you guys are seeing. I guess from the outside of this situation it seems like she's being constantly lambasted and bullied because she doesn't live up to the image/idea people initially had of her as some sort of 'indie' siren or what have you. The performance was definitely amateurish, won't argue with that, maybe she just wasn't ready to be on such a huge platform - the hype around her really just started to build a few months ago, didn't it?

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at least half of them must be your attempts at metasnark dayo

i wish snl/nbc weren't such jerks about youtube because i really want to watch weezy's guitar solo from 2008 right now

Starting this thread probably is the greatest achievement in my life. I don't know how to top this.

why would you ever care about a live performance, lex?

you might be overstating the extent to which i "care" about this but why would i not care about a live performance?

you are like this board's #1 anti-rockist

unless you're a secret rockist (about things you like)

Lol at "Skipping 557 messages"

didn't we retire the rockism/anti-rockism binary years ago? what's rockist or not rockist about live shows?

I'd be happy to have occasional studio missives from a studio-bound, inauthentic LDR persona. I don't think "pop performer complete package" is really relevant when she's mostly selling atmospherics.

This is a lesser gaffe than that "Born to Die" video, which failed because it ruptured the suburban Dorothy Vallens schtick with the European castle setting etc.

don't you know that watching a pop star play SNL is rockism lexdude? down with the machine, up with the music! xp

the idea of thinking that a singer's performance outside of a studio has any bearing on a popist's appreciation of said singer in 2012 seems very bizarre to me

you're being pretty reductive and i'm too tired to argue basics right now, soz

smh at anyone still being trolled by dayo in an ilm thread

don't make me come into the regional thug thread, j0rd

dayo's posting shtick originally intrigued me bc of how assured and even cocky it seemed, but future performances revealed it as being hopelessly amateurish, stammering, playacting that maybe seemed more ironic when i first read it. instead of uncomfortably sincere and frightening.

who am I, lana del ray

what's rockist or not rockist about live shows?

From that K. Sanneh article:

Rockism means idolizing the authentic old legend (or underground hero) while mocking the latest pop star; lionizing punk while barely tolerating disco; loving the live show and hating the music video; extolling the growling performer while hating the lip-syncher.

i can't deal with jaymc's deliberate obtuseness right now either. there is another part to that clause!!!! jesus christ people.

i honestly have no idea why some people are so invested in this weird idea of me as a popist caricature

jc

the idea of thinking that a singer's performance outside of a studio has any bearing on a popist's appreciation of said singer in 2012 seems very bizarre to me

Probably would've given her the right practice to help sell her 'gangsta Nancy Sinatra' image. Do popists think she's doing a good job here?

shouldn't popists be most concerned about the fact that she only has one good song?

and the fact that that song is terrible

I know it's all silly and naive to want people to perform live but some more live experience would probably benefit her greatly, even w the sound off.

you don't have to perform live, but if you do, and it's terrible, you can't expect people to ignore it bc after all performing live isn't meant for all artists...

people ignore bad performances by artists they like all the time. what is it about iana del ray that makes you go "I can't trust this performer anymore"

the ashlee simpson stans are still ashlee simpson stans, right?

Ashlee Simpson's jig was hilarious, though

(and also she was never a person to be taken seriously as a musician)