Indefinite Detention? But I Have Soccer Practice at 4: U.S. Politics 2012

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pour a bottle of Ripple down their throat

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 January 2012 03:34 (six years ago) Permalink

blast some burnt by the sun and mosh

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 14 January 2012 03:40 (six years ago) Permalink

who really thinks he's perfection?

encarta it (Gukbe), Saturday, 14 January 2012 05:37 (six years ago) Permalink

think morbs meant the standard retort would be "what do you expect, perfection?"

rebecca blah (k3vin k.), Saturday, 14 January 2012 05:38 (six years ago) Permalink

ah right. well that's a fair point though.

encarta it (Gukbe), Saturday, 14 January 2012 05:43 (six years ago) Permalink

yes truly thought-provoking

rebecca blah (k3vin k.), Saturday, 14 January 2012 05:57 (six years ago) Permalink

yes, for these folx, it's the only standard they can imagine him not meeting

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 January 2012 15:17 (six years ago) Permalink

I think such folx are few enough they should be dismissed as irrelevan, rather than made the crux of some kind of argument about political reality.

Aimless, Saturday, 14 January 2012 17:38 (six years ago) Permalink

there must be at least a few of them left; greenwald spends half his twitter arguing with them.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 14 January 2012 20:17 (six years ago) Permalink

haha otm

rebecca blah (k3vin k.), Saturday, 14 January 2012 23:02 (six years ago) Permalink

isn't Steve Benen stil an Obamastan?

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 January 2012 23:20 (six years ago) Permalink

Yes.

Washington Monthly's blog under Benen is fixated solely on Republican bad deeds.

curmudgeon, Sunday, 15 January 2012 03:08 (six years ago) Permalink

http://dccc.org/pages/GOPonvacation

Benen linked to this--- nice photoshopped pics of Boehner and Cantor on vacation

curmudgeon, Sunday, 15 January 2012 03:09 (six years ago) Permalink

think morbs meant the standard retort would be "what do you expect, perfection?"

I think such folx are few enough they should be dismissed as irrelevant, rather than made the crux of some kind of argument about political reality.

Come to a Park Slope bar, and I will introduce you to a slew of em.

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 January 2012 09:01 (six years ago) Permalink

Because of all the nasty hateful Tea Party-rooted and racist criticism Obama has received, I have read several African-American writers say that it is difficult for them to criticize Obama for legitimate reasons, because he engenders much sympathy because of the out-of-bounds attacks.

curmudgeon, Sunday, 15 January 2012 16:06 (six years ago) Permalink

dunno where to put this

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/15/the-great-gatsby-curve/

rebecca blah (k3vin k.), Sunday, 15 January 2012 19:41 (six years ago) Permalink

doesn't surprise me a bit, and I think we need to start reading "constitutional purism" as code for "only white male landowners get to vote"

incredible shrinking man on euphonium (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 16 January 2012 17:00 (six years ago) Permalink

Probably warrants a separate thread:

http://dellioandwoods.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/newsweek-obama-cover.jpg

I hope none of you have especially high blood pressure.

clemenza, Monday, 16 January 2012 17:29 (six years ago) Permalink

Let me guess. His right wing critics are dumb because they insist that he's a socialist Kenyan Muslim who eats babies and pisses on the US Constitution. OK. I'd grant him that much. His liberal critics are dumb because no one could have done a better job than Obama has done, cuz, you know, be realistic. Yeah. Right.

Aimless, Monday, 16 January 2012 17:36 (six years ago) Permalink

oh boy, the "long game" - this will be great

tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Monday, 16 January 2012 17:42 (six years ago) Permalink

lolng game

incredible shrinking man on euphonium (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 16 January 2012 17:49 (six years ago) Permalink

As I read Sullivan, he basically says the critics on the right are mostly peddling nonsenscial crap. True enough. And like shooting fish in a barrel, once you look at the facts.

Then he goes on to Obama's critics on the left, agrees with a fair number of their criticisms on civil liberties issues, emphasizes the repeal of DADT at length (which his left wing critics are NOT criticizing, either), and ignores liberal criticisms of Obama's more conservative policies that he most likes, such as keeping all the Bush tax cuts in place. As a criticism of these critics, it is pretty thin stuff. But then, most op-ed is small beer.

Aimless, Monday, 16 January 2012 17:59 (six years ago) Permalink

And what have we seen? A recurring pattern. To use the terms Obama first employed in his inaugural address: the president begins by extending a hand to his opponents; when they respond by raising a fist, he demonstrates that they are the source of the problem; then, finally, he moves to his preferred position of moderate liberalism and fights for it without being effectively tarred as an ideologue or a divider. This kind of strategy takes time. And it means there are long stretches when Obama seems incapable of defending himself, or willing to let others to define him, or simply weak. I remember those stretches during the campaign against Hillary Clinton. I also remember whose strategy won out in the end.

This is OTM. My issue I have is that I want him to be to the left of some of the positions he champions. I agree with him enough to vote for him again without any regret.

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 16 January 2012 18:00 (six years ago) Permalink

Not surprisingly--something you should almost take as a given--Sullivan says on his site that the cover headline was not his.

clemenza, Monday, 16 January 2012 18:04 (six years ago) Permalink

sullivan's willingness to relegate civil liberties to a couple of sentences is baffling to me. under bush, the executive branch's power-tripping threatened the future of the country. under obama, pushing (for the most part) the exact same policies, it's a fringe issue that only a few 'unrealistic,' 'deluded' leftists care about.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 16 January 2012 18:41 (six years ago) Permalink

it's almost like he trusts the motives of one over the other

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 16 January 2012 19:01 (six years ago) Permalink

right, it's the thought that counts.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 16 January 2012 19:03 (six years ago) Permalink

When your only safeguard is the good will of the current president, you have no safeguards at all.

Aimless, Monday, 16 January 2012 19:18 (six years ago) Permalink

i'm just glad niall ferguson ended class warfare, that was going on for too long

human trash (buzza), Monday, 16 January 2012 19:32 (six years ago) Permalink

fuckin hate that guy

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Monday, 16 January 2012 19:43 (six years ago) Permalink

what sort of warfare did he substitute in its place? a first person shooter, I hope

Aimless, Monday, 16 January 2012 19:46 (six years ago) Permalink

sullivan's willingness to relegate civil liberties to a couple of sentences is baffling to me. under bush, the executive branch's power-tripping threatened the future of the country. under obama, pushing (for the most part) the exact same policies, it's a fringe issue that only a few 'unrealistic,' 'deluded' leftists care about.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, January 16, 2012 1:41 PM (2 hours ago)

as everyone here knows i think obama's done some truly evil and unforgivable things in this realm, but i've got bigger gripes with him than his civil liberties record. why sullivan's piece fails (as it was doomed to do) is because he tactfully elides these other parts of his record - when he's not agreeing with them

tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Monday, 16 January 2012 21:13 (six years ago) Permalink

the 'radical middle' will find this to be a good essay, and it might even be useful to show the first half of it to some of the more noxious conservative blowhards we all know, but the entire thing is basically middlebrow nonsense, which is why it's in newsweek

tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Monday, 16 January 2012 21:15 (six years ago) Permalink

the truly weird part is figuring out how sullivan squares his admiration for a president he sees as 'moderate' and 'pragmatic' with his wobbly on-and-off support of ron 'kill em all and let the states sort em out' paul.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 16 January 2012 21:42 (six years ago) Permalink

http://www.bongsbay.com/weed_leaf.jpg

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Monday, 16 January 2012 21:47 (six years ago) Permalink

lolololol

incredible shrinking man on euphonium (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 16 January 2012 22:08 (six years ago) Permalink

hi, guys!! What'd I miss??

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 January 2012 22:15 (six years ago) Permalink

Under Obama, support for marriage equality and marijuana legalization has crested to record levels.

i'll have what this sullivan guy's smoking

river, Monday, 16 January 2012 22:23 (six years ago) Permalink

I'll read the article tonight, but I can't fathom how any critic of Bush administration's civil liberties abuses and abuse of executive authority can now treat them as secondary because Obama is so cool. I would rather Sullivan just said, "Look, these things don't really matter much to me tbh."

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 January 2012 22:47 (six years ago) Permalink

Under Obama, support for marriage equality and marijuana legalization has crested to record levels.

i'll have what this sullivan guy's smoking

― river, Monday, January 16, 2012 5:23 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

um actually i wouldn't necessarily disagree with that claim

incredible shrinking man on euphonium (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 16 January 2012 23:47 (six years ago) Permalink

i have no idea what obama has done to make either of those things happen, though, particularly the latter. a strange point

tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Monday, 16 January 2012 23:59 (six years ago) Permalink

well yeah i just mean that since Obama has been President, support for those two things have been bigger than they've ever been. I'd believe that.

incredible shrinking man on euphonium (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 00:18 (six years ago) Permalink

when Calvin Coolidge was president, Scott Fitzgerald published his best novel.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 00:19 (six years ago) Permalink

well I mean yeah, though to imply that Mr. "The business of America is business" had nothing at all to do with The Great gatsby or its themes seems a little silly

incredible shrinking man on euphonium (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 00:54 (six years ago) Permalink

Sully's statement is well-meaning gas though. How can Obama get credit for increased support for marijuana legalization?

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 00:56 (six years ago) Permalink

those raids he authorizes hurt him more than they hurt us, you'll just never know

tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 01:00 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah ok Sully's full of hot air. I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that claim.

incredible shrinking man on euphonium (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 01:04 (six years ago) Permalink

Pretty sure pot busts have increased since Obama took office, and people still hate gays everywhere

river, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 01:06 (six years ago) Permalink


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