Codeacademy

haha lol I completely glossed over that

triple even? they said there was a difference between double and triple

triple double check

hah I didn't even think about == which is really dumb of me since I am writing Python code today. Told you my Javascript sucks.

I'm sure this is gonna get really annoying for ppl who actually program but I'm finding it fun / pretty well-designed so far

yeah i was enjoying myself doing this. but now i'm kind of going insane being stuck at the part where you have to make 15=fizzbuzz.

Spoilers:

____________
if {
15 'fizzbuzz' bit
}
else {
everything else
}
____________

there's another week before new material so it's not horrible to be stuck for a while and think it over. I like that it's not patronizing enough to make us do super easy stuff for hours at a time but at the same time you sorta need to repeat something a lot of times / ponder over it in order to really get it in your head.

i agree. my only concern is what happens if you legitimately get stuck and can't really see where you're going wrong/what needs to be done? i'm glad to see there are ppl here who can help but they might get bored of answering simple requests. you can probably google the answers too and thus get the right one without really understanding why its right and why you were messing up.

I'm sure this is gonna get really annoying for ppl who actually program but I'm finding it fun / pretty well-designed so far

― iatee, Tuesday, January 10, 2012 10:46 AM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah this is fun!

i'm glad to see there are ppl here who can help but they might get bored of answering simple requests. you can probably google the answers too and thus get the right one without really understanding why its right and why you were messing up.

― Jibe, Tuesday, January 10, 2012 11:08 AM (13 minutes ago)

firefox -> tools -> web developer -> error console

we'll see how it goes I guess. I like the pace so far, and w/ a group of people doing it I could see it working?

also I don't think we'll be encountering any 'higher level thinking skills' problems for a long time, right now it's just 'how do we format this'

xp

or firebug

if it consoles u (punz, lol) iatee, i forgot about the === entirely and originally wrote ( i % 3 is 0 ). imagine my shock when they didn't recognize the 'is' syntax.

Okay, I'm stuck on the "Fizzbuzz". I could code it so that for the iteration of 15 it says FizzBuzz, but I'd prefer to code it so that it would check for any numbers divisible by both 3 and 5 (so, for instance, if I changed the count length it would still work and say FizzBuzz in the right place). But I can't work out how to do it.

I think "and" is && in Javascript if that helps?

SPOILER TAGZ

for ( i % 3 === 0 ) {
for (i % 5 === 0 ) {
console.log ("Fizzbuzz");
}
else {
console.log ("Fizz");
}

^^ I think that's how I did it.

fizzbuzz done!

the second for should be an if i think

yeah i did an &&

emily, you can nest one if/else inside another if/else. if that helps?

^ that's what i did

Thanks guys. I tried "&" but I don't think any of the lessons had mentioned "&&" before. I was so close!

I think their preferred method was nesting, but the && trick seemed more natural to me?

I'm still stuck on buzz tbh

I keep toying around with } and { everywhere

is it supposed to be an if else? two ifs? two fors? couldn't all of those work if I formatted it correctly?

"else if" rather than "if else" should do it.

syntactically it's:

if ( )

else if ( )

else if ( )

else ( )

That's the one.

Or, well, that works for FizzBuzz, but if you're still stuck on Buzz you want:

if ()

else if ()

else ()

This is good fun, FizzBuzz was the first one I feel like I've actually solved through thinking rather than just arbitrarily moving { around until it just works (used nested if to fix it)

It hurts my brain a bit that on my screen { and ( are almost indistinguishable, and it took me ages of c+ping before I realised the % is just the percent sign.

ah got it, it was just one } that was haunting me

i hope they keep putting out lessons all year. so far they only have 3 up, and i can't imagine it's a breeze to make a new lesson every week.

from the looks of it it's an actual startup w/ people who work there

so I'm guessing they're more concerned about keeping the traffic after week one + making the lessons is the easy part

it can be hard to see but if you click next to a { or } it will highlight its mate (and i think highlight red if it doesn't have one).

oh that's nifty

oh that's nifty

really interesting to see that theyre using triple equals so early on.. i code for a living and i'm still not completely clear on the difference between == and === in javascript

yah they just said == can occasionally cause problems?

I think that's a deliberate policy to get people in the habit of using === unless they're absolutely sure they want ==, which can cause some hard-to-find bugs

a lot of JS tutorials seem to be doing that now (I last used JS in like 2003 but decided to brush up on the basics a bit last year to do some HTML5 Canvas stuff)

quite tempted to try this tonight instead of doing some homework which is due tomorrow

(I also code for a living but my skills are very out of date and I'm stuck in an obscure (not difficult, just not resulting in any transferrable skills) rut at work. I can either be scared of this when in 5 weeks' time there are 250,000 new people who know just as much as I've been getting by on in paid jobs for a decade - and yes, I do think that's possible - or I can at least look at it myself...)

it's pretty good, I really like the site and its mission. Granted, I already know basic programming, but I'm curious to see how far this goes.

ok, I've never heard of === before, is it just a Javascript thing?

*Checks Wikipedia*

Aha, I see: The languages JavaScript and PHP extends this syntax, with the "==" operator able to return true if two values are equal, even if they have different types (for example, "4 == "4"" is true), and the "===" operator returning true only if two values are equal and have equivalent types as well (such that "4 === "4"" is false but "4 === 4" is true).

huh, i thought == checked for type as well

i couldn't figure out the && thing, so i just used i % 15 = 0. kinda felt like i was cheating.

i will admit to feeling legitimately proud of myself when i was able to make fizzbuzz work for a variable that you enter. looking forward to the next lesson...

well the prob is you haven't covered 45 and 60 and 90 and stuff!

just make a separate if statement that looks like

if ( i % 3 === 0 && i & 5 === 0)

put it before the fizz and buzz statements, and make them else if statements. i think that's how i did it. i rewrote it to use nesting later.

oops that last & should be a %

oops that last & should be a %

Wait, is the thing of not covering 45 etc directed at ytth? Because those numbers are divisible by 15, so they should come up as FizzBuzz.

Has everyone else had a go at the Java courses? Haven't had time to look at those.

i went back and played around with it after reading the thread and was able to make it work with the &&. but yeah, emil.y is right - if it's divisible by 3 and 5, then it will be divisible by 15, so the program told me i had done it right - i just felt like there was a more elegant way.

i did the 'functions in javascript' course, but i didn't like it - it seemed like a refresher that would be good for someone that was already familiar with this, but just needed some tips on how to avoid bugs in their code.

oh yeah; i suck at math

these learn 2 code exercise sites present such a small fraction of the actual issues u will encounter irl which is part of what makes them useful but also limits their effectiveness as a learning environment

yeah plan what you want to finish it and google every little roadblock til you get there imo

also read the documentation I found that stuff a lot more useful than college notes etc at times

like coding is not actual coding which is why ppl generally call it developing these days

i guess what's difficult for me is that i want to get past the basic "beginner's website" that they teach you to build and learn how to manipulate things in experimental ways.

i really like this guy geoffrey lillemon's stuff. he changes his website constantly and the most recent version is really difficult to use and loads slowly, but generally i like how his art is embedded into the website, the way the user interacts with it. there are all these layers of images (i don't know if they're videos or flash or what) and...it's hard to explain.

i just want to know what kinds of code he's using. i'd like to be barely proficient at them so i can have more freedom in making my own stuff without relying so heavily on others.

is it all just JS/CSS/HTML?

i guess the obv answer is that i need to be patient and just learn everything possible about the basic website so that i can deconstruct it? learn to crawl before you can walk/run, etc.

i just wish there was a codecademy module that went through all the things that are NOT recommended. like, autoplaying videos and music, creating strobe light effects that might damage the viewer's eyes and cause them to sue, making lines of text blend to each other and become unreadable. instead everything is like "now we're going to teach you how to make a very professional CV that any senior vice president would love!"

u can see if u inspect hes using some css animations and also loading some js files for... something - u shd email him and ask tho good chance if u show interest in his particular project hed be into talking about it, espcailly if u showed him the cool stuff u made, or he might have it up on github too

i'm guessing he'd never respond, heh. he's one of the few people who appear to have taken the net art thing to the next level and probably has loads of money and doesn't talk to strangers

or if hes to busy and bigtime to f w u track down some lesser collaborator, someone will have blogged or want to talk to u or have a github

when ppl do clever things they like to talk abt it is the assumption im working under

i have a friend who does similar stuff http://www.yellowandorange.com tho i think hes mostly video these days anyway id be happy to introduce u i think he has a show coming up maybe

that's really cool! that's exactly what i'm talking about. i'd love to meet him sometime, but i want to get a lot better at it myself first. i'd love to talk to these people when i share the same CS vocabulary, or at least parts of the same vocabulary.

oh but regardless if he has a show coming up let me know, it would be nice to meet you and to see his stuff in person

i cld just introduce u on facebook or w/e, i wldnt worry abt not having the right skills hes super nice and humble and im sure wld be happy to talk shop, tho u wld have to refriend me lmao

smdh at myself

ha i do actually remember thinking to myself i have already been obnoxious once toward zach today maybe i shdnt go in a second time but then i did

anyway dont worry ilx we r friends again

<3

for real let me know if you attend one of his shows anytime soon. i'm reading/watching this and like his stuff a lot so far.

cool will do, tbh i havent seen him in a few years but thats mostly a function of not being in new york and were not like super tight but id be cool to see his show and say hi

tho i might be totally imagining that he said he had a show coming up, but maybe we cld visit his studio or something

oh no wait here we go https://instagram.com/p/zOGmAbL3CT

cool, yeah i'd be up for going to the show for sure

cool man its on

i've been doing the web design courses w/ this - they're fun!