Chronic was December 92 dude --Θ ̨Θƪ (sic)
As the singles (and Snoop) rolled out, you could def say 1993 was Dre's year tho
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 9 January 2012 04:58 (twelve years ago) link
g-funk's sung choruses are dope though. I'm not really into sung choruses in rap, but who in their right mind didn't find "Snoop Doggy DOOOOO-OOOH-OOO-OOO-OGGG" engaging?
― unattractive on the inside (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 January 2012 05:00 (twelve years ago) link
(yea yea I know it's just reappropriated "Atomic Dog" but itw as still dope...plus "Let Me Ride"!)
(ok ok yea mothership connection fuck off nowadays pedant)
― unattractive on the inside (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 January 2012 05:01 (twelve years ago) link
93, honestly. I was fresh out of high school and really listening to rap a lot. one of my first roommates was a would be dj. good year.
― Thug Luftwaffle (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 January 2012 06:20 (twelve years ago) link
figured dude was whinging about current rap, my joke had layers
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Monday, 9 January 2012 06:31 (twelve years ago) link
well, one and a half layers
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Monday, 9 January 2012 06:32 (twelve years ago) link
1993
Not even a close race for me. I was 12 and impressionable.
― Youncle Buck (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 9 January 2012 06:35 (twelve years ago) link
yeah 93 was the first year I ever heard rap where they said "fuck" and "shit" and "titties"
― unattractive on the inside (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 January 2012 06:48 (twelve years ago) link
prior to then, my only exposure was "He's the DJ...I'm the Rapper", and Shaq Diesel.
i was 0 and 5 respectively but 1988. if it was 94 instead, i'd pick 94.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH5CmB44TaYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ORLq1zSNowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axJpBlxW6n0
― I am Newgod (a hoy hoy), Monday, 9 January 2012 09:58 (twelve years ago) link
Voting 1993 but somedude's right - 91 or 94 would be my picks.
― Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Monday, 9 January 2012 10:38 (twelve years ago) link
2003
― all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Monday, 9 January 2012 10:59 (twelve years ago) link
god what a boring fucking question though. 2004. 2005. 1999. whenever.
thanks for sharing that valuable insight Lex, really getting new perspectives on reality here
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 9 January 2012 12:11 (twelve years ago) link
well whenever is the right answer.
― sisilafami, Monday, 9 January 2012 12:33 (twelve years ago) link
the thread is about assessing competing claims
it's not really hard to understand
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 9 January 2012 12:38 (twelve years ago) link
still boring though
― groovemaaan, Monday, 9 January 2012 12:44 (twelve years ago) link
Seems to me if you prefer 1989 you should vote for 1988 and and if you prefer 1994 you should vote for 1993?
― Tom D (Tom D.), Monday, 9 January 2012 12:45 (twelve years ago) link
^ LOL makes no sense whatsoever
― Tom D (Tom D.), Monday, 9 January 2012 12:46 (twelve years ago) link
makes total sense actually
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:19 (twelve years ago) link
nineteen-ninety-who-gives-a-fuck
― tpp, Monday, 9 January 2012 13:20 (twelve years ago) link
thread needs spotify playlists
― thomp, Monday, 9 January 2012 13:30 (twelve years ago) link
i'd never really thought thro the shift in 80s vs early 90s rap production before, so it's a pretty interesting notion
what would be the equivalent year to best represent the timbaland/neptunes 'futurist' 'moment'? or would ppl who have ~strong opinions~ about this regard that as an already too diasporic/post-edenic/whatever moment?
― thomp, Monday, 9 January 2012 13:32 (twelve years ago) link
I'm going with 1988 even though my rap tastes in general are much more '90s-leaning (I'd take 1994 and probably 1991 over either of these years). Fwiw I was 12 in 1993 and I didn't even start actively listening to hip-hop until much later on so this view is entirely based on hindsight.
Are there any years considered as particularly *bad* for hip-hop?
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 9 January 2012 13:33 (twelve years ago) link
as
1998 was the start of that surely? Vol. 2, those DMX records, Superthug, It Ain't My Fault etc.
xpost
― unattractive on the g side (a hoy hoy), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:38 (twelve years ago) link
what would be the equivalent year to best represent the timbaland/neptunes 'futurist' 'moment'? or would ppl who have ~strong opinions~ about this regard that as an already too diasporic/post-edenic/whatever moment?― thomp, Monday, January 9, 2012 8:32 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― thomp, Monday, January 9, 2012 8:32 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I think the reason that 1988 and 1993 are so well-regarded is that they both spawned MULTIPLE movements instead of having one sound dominate
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:39 (twelve years ago) link
hmm maybe 1999 would be the best representation. misread yr post.
― unattractive on the g side (a hoy hoy), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:39 (twelve years ago) link
btw, altho the gap between 88 and 93 is an aesthetic one, it's also heavily informed by the changes wrought by Biz Markie losing the "Alone Again" court case? as i understand it the costs of making a major label album as sound collage-y as Nation of Millions had become prohibitive by 93?
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:40 (twelve years ago) link
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 9 January 2012 13:33 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
2009 was pretty lame.
― unattractive on the g side (a hoy hoy), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:40 (twelve years ago) link
1911 was terrible
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:41 (twelve years ago) link
even though lately I've been listening to more recordings from the 80s (BDP, Ultramagnetic MCs, etc), I am voting 93 as I feel like the rap then took the template 1988 set to a new level, and I find myself in the overall scheme of things listening to rap from this era more.
― unattractive on the inside (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:42 (twelve years ago) link
lol Noodle
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:40 (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i always found this view odd. if you look at p much any liner notes from 92-95, they are chock full of samples and as hiphop was making more money than ever, i dont think ppl minded paying for them? like to make another pauls boutique wld mean 20 samples on a song instead of 3 but that doesnt mean that people werent still sampling old funk and soul breaks 5 years on.
― unattractive on the g side (a hoy hoy), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:44 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but 2 or 3 to a track, not 20 or 30. also why Dre getting session guys to recreate the originals isn't a purely "artistic" decision
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
also there are only like 5 or 6 true sound collage albums? hardly anything from 87-89 sounds like nation of millions/3ft high/pauls boutique.
― unattractive on the g side (a hoy hoy), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
always look for the material cause of cultural change imo
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
dude a lot of circa 88 marley marl and paul c productions were bulging with samples.
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:48 (twelve years ago) link
― unattractive on the g side (a hoy hoy), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:49 (twelve years ago) link
was gonna say Prince Paul too
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:49 (twelve years ago) link
p much a producer (or actually, the label) had to think long and hard about whether these little 3-5 second cut/paste insert samples were worth the money they would cost, so a lot of those brief quickee filler samples that permeated 80s rap got dropped.
― unattractive on the inside (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:50 (twelve years ago) link
[still waiting for a proper hiphop craze (i.e. none of that girl talk bullshit) based around bringing back the sample game now no-one makes money on records/everything is super easy to make on a laptop compared to in 89.]
― unattractive on the g side (a hoy hoy), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:53 (twelve years ago) link
xpost which ultimately was tantamount to telling every great drummer in the 60s not to play fills anymore
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:53 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, which means texturally producers had to try something different.
nobody's saying it's the sole cause, but it feels to me like an important break between production styles.
i love Eazy Duz It but 187um Killa is just better, soz
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:53 (twelve years ago) link
I also think lyrically, there's no comparison between 1988 and 1993. not saying, of course, that 1988 was 'bad', but there was a bit of a template for rapping where flows/cadences tended to fall into one or two styles, and lyrics were catchy but still largely straightforward. I think the wordplay of MCs improved beyond leaps and bounds by 1993, where even the gangsta rappers were being less blunt and more atmospheric.
― unattractive on the inside (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 January 2012 14:00 (twelve years ago) link
in 2011-12 rick ross and drake are revered as "greats" and two old dudes at least half a decade removed from their creative peaks get plaudits every time they breathe, put it that way
― all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Monday, 9 January 2012 14:01 (twelve years ago) link
xp
i think flow qua flow undeniably improved into the 90s, yeah
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 January 2012 14:01 (twelve years ago) link
not that i think 2011-12 are bad for hip-hop, they're just bad for the hip-hop that rises to the top critically and commercially speaking
assessing music in terms of years is the dumbest thing though
― all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Monday, 9 January 2012 14:02 (twelve years ago) link
anyway the real answer to this question is 1998
― Sh1pley Gohard (D-40), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 07:25 (twelve years ago) link
^brinks, baby!
― it means 'super-otm' (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 14:36 (twelve years ago) link
whatever happened to benzino?
― Aesop Rizzle (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
his latest mixtape received rave reviews in Hip Hop Weekly
― some dude, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― pandemic, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Thursday, 9 February 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
UPSET SPECIAL
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Thursday, 9 February 2012 00:02 (twelve years ago) link
Yes!
― dr dre throwing dubstep balloons (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Thursday, 9 February 2012 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
thumbs up
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 9 February 2012 00:28 (twelve years ago) link
ok, who passed the OFFICIAL HIP-HOP LITMUS TEST?
― Alshipleyan Goalpostmover (some dude), Thursday, 9 February 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago) link
I don't remember what I voted
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Thursday, 9 February 2012 01:09 (twelve years ago) link
or if I voted
R.I.P. whiney it's sad he was a pollmaker
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Thursday, 9 February 2012 01:10 (twelve years ago) link
I don't remember what I voted― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Wednesday, February 8, 2012 8:09 PM (6 days ago)
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Wednesday, February 8, 2012 8:09 PM (6 days ago)
autofail
― the real shithead is (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
A win for modernity! 20 years ago beats 25 years ago!
― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
gtfo
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― kony indie fuxx (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 9 March 2012 05:38 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, no more iggy azalea articles
― The Reverend, Friday, 9 March 2012 05:47 (twelve years ago) link
can't believe i read this whole thing. that middle section was some dark shit.
― caulk the wagon and float it, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link