if I hadn't been around for both years, I'd probably pick '93. I was, though, and when I look at the '88 list, I get all BMW-driver-about-the-60s. It Takes Two came out in '88; as much I love a lotta '93 stuff (and as much as I think the strides made in '93 are kinda bigger toward broadening the genre, and therefore more "important"), hearing "It Takes Two" on KDAY was one of those "oh, shit, music is different after this for me" moments. You don't like it, so what, I don't care
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 8 January 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
and even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Gripsand even Death Grips
― mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 January 2012 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBiFel99JEM
― President Keyes, Sunday, 8 January 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
88 was more life-changing for me but from here I'm voting 93
― Poppy Newgod and the Phantom Banned (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 January 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ otm
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Sunday, 8 January 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41J93DE01ML._SL500_AA300_.jpg
Where's the 1990 option?
― Doran, Sunday, 8 January 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
I think Dr. Dre can really be credited for making chord changes popular in rap--suuuuper prevalent in Houston/Atlanta/LA stuff to this day--and I really like stuff that has p much one chord...
this is true, if a very complimentary way of putting what Dre did, which was turn from a one or two bar sequence made out of layers of multiple samples to sampling 4 bars of one song by someone else & then building up the production / replacing the instruments. I fell out precisely around 1993 because mainstream rap just gravitated towards what seemed like cover versions. I enjoy a lot of those songs now and can hear all the production work & polish but at the time it seemed like a sad turn
in other words I like the stuff that had one chord as well, especially the stuff that had so many noises piled up and against each other that you couldn't even begin to tell what chord it was
― Milton Parker, Sunday, 8 January 2012 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
I thought I was going to vote for 1988 era (I actually have more rap albums from 1989 and 1994 than from 88 and 93, which feels appropriate), but the breadth of the 1993 stuff is pretty great, gonna have to go with that.
― da croupier, Sunday, 8 January 2012 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
Should add '98 and '03 so jordan can participate lol
― somebody call the brinks truck (D-40), Sunday, 8 January 2012 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
looking over the ego-trip singles lists from these years has just made this harder
― da croupier, Sunday, 8 January 2012 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
the problem with saying 1988 is "hip-hop's greatest year" is that it feels weird to suggest it was all downhill from there.
― da croupier, Sunday, 8 January 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
well
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 8 January 2012 23:15 (twelve years ago) link
1988 had the better albums out of those two. It's amazing what five years did to Run DMC.
― irrational, Sunday, 8 January 2012 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
∞
― 404 (Lamp), Sunday, 8 January 2012 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
i guess there was more rap music in 93...
― sisilafami, Sunday, 8 January 2012 23:46 (twelve years ago) link
1993/fuiud
― flopson, Sunday, 8 January 2012 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
Why '93 over '94?
― President Keyes, Monday, 9 January 2012 00:16 (twelve years ago) link
'94 til infinity
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Monday, 9 January 2012 00:48 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i was gonna say, '94 (or even '91) >>>>> '93
― seasonal thug (some dude), Monday, 9 January 2012 02:17 (twelve years ago) link
i was still listening to hip-hop in 1988
― buzza, Monday, 9 January 2012 02:24 (twelve years ago) link
I shouldn't even vote in this, since I've basically decided to never listen to new hip-hop ever again, but yeah, '88 for sure - I'll take a loop and a beat over swooshing synths and a fucking sung chorus every day of the year.
― 誤訳侮辱, Monday, 9 January 2012 02:28 (twelve years ago) link
Voted 1993 b/c of 12 Inches of Snow.
― Bon Ivoj (jaymc), Monday, 9 January 2012 02:32 (twelve years ago) link
A few Illmatic singles were released in '93. "Party and Bullshit" was 93.
― billstevejim, Monday, 9 January 2012 02:33 (twelve years ago) link
I have probably playedBuloone Mindstate, Midnight Marauders, The Bliss Album...?, Return of the Boom Bap, and Reachin' more than the 1988 releases.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 January 2012 02:34 (twelve years ago) link
I'll take a loop and a beat over swooshing synths and a fucking sung chorus every day of the year.
Chronic was December 92 dude
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Monday, 9 January 2012 02:39 (twelve years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c9/SlickRickTheGreatAdventuresofSlickRick.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8a/Eazy-E_Eazy-Duz-It.jpg
^88
xpost!
― mark (er) s (k3vin k.), Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:53 AM (4 months ago)
― rebecca blah (k3vin k.), Monday, 9 January 2012 02:49 (twelve years ago) link
mainstream rap just gravitated towards what seemed like cover versions. I enjoy a lot of those songs now and can hear all the production work & polish but at the time it seemed like a sad turn
yeah this is otm - I loved The Chronic and Doggy Style (and Uncle Sam's Curse what year was that?) but the element of rap that was like mindblowing sheer sonics gave way to what were essentially rock records structurally - same rules as rock in terms of how you get to the vibe/effect. whereas that late 80s stuff was so Structures In Sound - but then again, Wu Tang is fully up on that when they come around, and they weren't "throwback" to me at that point, they were taking that vision to where it would have gone next if it had remained the dominant discourse, which it didn't.
not that all rap had been dense layers of Bomb Squad & not that there isn't plenty of trad song structure at play in Nation of Millions and shit but that's how I break it down to an extent, rap becoming more a new approach to songcraft than a new approach to sound.
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 9 January 2012 03:18 (twelve years ago) link
Chronic was December 92 dude --Θ ̨Θƪ (sic)
As the singles (and Snoop) rolled out, you could def say 1993 was Dre's year tho
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 9 January 2012 04:58 (twelve years ago) link
g-funk's sung choruses are dope though. I'm not really into sung choruses in rap, but who in their right mind didn't find "Snoop Doggy DOOOOO-OOOH-OOO-OOO-OGGG" engaging?
― unattractive on the inside (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 January 2012 05:00 (twelve years ago) link
(yea yea I know it's just reappropriated "Atomic Dog" but itw as still dope...plus "Let Me Ride"!)
(ok ok yea mothership connection fuck off nowadays pedant)
― unattractive on the inside (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 January 2012 05:01 (twelve years ago) link
93, honestly. I was fresh out of high school and really listening to rap a lot. one of my first roommates was a would be dj. good year.
― Thug Luftwaffle (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 January 2012 06:20 (twelve years ago) link
figured dude was whinging about current rap, my joke had layers
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Monday, 9 January 2012 06:31 (twelve years ago) link
well, one and a half layers
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Monday, 9 January 2012 06:32 (twelve years ago) link
1993
Not even a close race for me. I was 12 and impressionable.
― Youncle Buck (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 9 January 2012 06:35 (twelve years ago) link
yeah 93 was the first year I ever heard rap where they said "fuck" and "shit" and "titties"
― unattractive on the inside (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 January 2012 06:48 (twelve years ago) link
prior to then, my only exposure was "He's the DJ...I'm the Rapper", and Shaq Diesel.
i was 0 and 5 respectively but 1988. if it was 94 instead, i'd pick 94.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH5CmB44TaYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ORLq1zSNowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axJpBlxW6n0
― I am Newgod (a hoy hoy), Monday, 9 January 2012 09:58 (twelve years ago) link
Voting 1993 but somedude's right - 91 or 94 would be my picks.
― Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Monday, 9 January 2012 10:38 (twelve years ago) link
2003
― all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Monday, 9 January 2012 10:59 (twelve years ago) link
god what a boring fucking question though. 2004. 2005. 1999. whenever.
thanks for sharing that valuable insight Lex, really getting new perspectives on reality here
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 9 January 2012 12:11 (twelve years ago) link
well whenever is the right answer.
― sisilafami, Monday, 9 January 2012 12:33 (twelve years ago) link
the thread is about assessing competing claims
it's not really hard to understand
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 9 January 2012 12:38 (twelve years ago) link
still boring though
― groovemaaan, Monday, 9 January 2012 12:44 (twelve years ago) link
Seems to me if you prefer 1989 you should vote for 1988 and and if you prefer 1994 you should vote for 1993?
― Tom D (Tom D.), Monday, 9 January 2012 12:45 (twelve years ago) link
^ LOL makes no sense whatsoever
― Tom D (Tom D.), Monday, 9 January 2012 12:46 (twelve years ago) link
makes total sense actually
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 9 January 2012 13:19 (twelve years ago) link
nineteen-ninety-who-gives-a-fuck
― tpp, Monday, 9 January 2012 13:20 (twelve years ago) link
thread needs spotify playlists
― thomp, Monday, 9 January 2012 13:30 (twelve years ago) link
How many Max B joints came out that yr
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 23:14 (twelve years ago) link
... Earlier this week?
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:03 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
how embarrassing for wherever you live
― somebody call the brinks truck (D-40), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 23:14 (twelve years ago) link
i think dan lives in the home of Benzino
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
not the city, i mean literally he lives in benzino's house
he is benzino
― somebody call the brinks truck (D-40), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 23:22 (twelve years ago) link
btw sorry if i went hard on a hoy hoy itt was feeling defensive
― somebody call the brinks truck (D-40), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
1988 was Max B deficient. But 1989 had a load of Max Q.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 23:25 (twelve years ago) link
man deej, u are never gonna be unsigned hype :(
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 23:33 (twelve years ago) link
― somebody call the brinks truck (D-40), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:14 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
haha this
― rebecca blah (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 23:33 (twelve years ago) link
lol America?
― Jimmy Riddle Orchestra (Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 23:34 (twelve years ago) link
haha this is - wait for it - Boston, right?
― rebecca blah (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 23:34 (twelve years ago) link
^^doesn't know where benzino live
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 23:39 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6zf7P8eTRI
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 23:41 (twelve years ago) link
jesus christ this is "Critical Beatdown" vs. "Kill My Landlord" stfu about Max B
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 00:31 (twelve years ago) link
head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole head up the brooklyn media butthole
― Beezow Doo Doo Zopittybop-Bop Bop (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 00:39 (twelve years ago) link
big ups to the heads up the brooklyn media butthole
― thug eclair (The Reverend), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 00:40 (twelve years ago) link
http://recogthereal.blogspot.com/2012/01/source-magazine-fat-tape-september-1993.html
http://recogthereal.blogspot.com/2011/12/source-magazine-fat-tape-march-1993.html
http://recogthereal.blogspot.com/2011/12/source-magazine-fat-tape-april-1993.html
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 01:03 (twelve years ago) link
"love the way you lie" was a bad example, that was one of the few eminem songs that DID get in heavy rotation on most rap stations (hit #7 on the r&b/hip hop chart)
― seasonal thug (some dude), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 01:03 (twelve years ago) link
^^^dope find xp
― Sh1pley Gohard (D-40), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 01:04 (twelve years ago) link
― seasonal thug (some dude), Tuesday, January 10, 2012 7:03 PM (29 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
aite you pay more attention that stuff but i imagine that was the rihanna aspect rather than the eminem
that doesn't really matter, does it?
― seasonal thug (some dude), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 01:11 (twelve years ago) link
anyway eminem is a weird case because EVERY mainstream hip hop fan pays lip service to him being a genius etc. but he was never really big on rap radio
― seasonal thug (some dude), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 01:12 (twelve years ago) link
some dude you didn't pick a year
― pug waffle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 01:29 (twelve years ago) link
88 i guess but that's more because i feel like that's a better pinpoint of the best year of its era than that i necessarily prefer it to the overall 93 era
― seasonal thug (some dude), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 01:55 (twelve years ago) link
You know who was also probably around the 23rd best selling artist of a given year?: ORIGINAL CONCEPT
^ this is amazing
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 02:48 (twelve years ago) link
It doesn't matter whether you like max bor if you prefer rap from 88 to 93because a leader has arrived to part rap's Red Seathe emperor of hip-hop, mr. djdee
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 03:31 (twelve years ago) link
http://img9.elex-tech.org/10000/2011/1201/92/e/6990/600x600x75x0.gif
― Beezow Doo Doo Zopittybop-Bop Bop (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 05:31 (twelve years ago) link
anyway the real answer to this question is 1998
― Sh1pley Gohard (D-40), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 07:25 (twelve years ago) link
^brinks, baby!
― it means 'super-otm' (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 14:36 (twelve years ago) link
whatever happened to benzino?
― Aesop Rizzle (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
his latest mixtape received rave reviews in Hip Hop Weekly
― some dude, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― pandemic, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Thursday, 9 February 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
UPSET SPECIAL
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Thursday, 9 February 2012 00:02 (twelve years ago) link
Yes!
― dr dre throwing dubstep balloons (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Thursday, 9 February 2012 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
thumbs up
― little clouds of citrus spritz as i peel (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 9 February 2012 00:28 (twelve years ago) link
ok, who passed the OFFICIAL HIP-HOP LITMUS TEST?
― Alshipleyan Goalpostmover (some dude), Thursday, 9 February 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago) link
I don't remember what I voted
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Thursday, 9 February 2012 01:09 (twelve years ago) link
or if I voted
R.I.P. whiney it's sad he was a pollmaker
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Thursday, 9 February 2012 01:10 (twelve years ago) link
I don't remember what I voted― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Wednesday, February 8, 2012 8:09 PM (6 days ago)
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Wednesday, February 8, 2012 8:09 PM (6 days ago)
autofail
― the real shithead is (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
A win for modernity! 20 years ago beats 25 years ago!
― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
gtfo
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0fnz5ggk91r1nqr4o1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1331357870&Signature=siuLlugh6fKRHPb1K%2BCcWShTPSk%3D
― kony indie fuxx (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 9 March 2012 05:38 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, no more iggy azalea articles
― The Reverend, Friday, 9 March 2012 05:47 (twelve years ago) link
can't believe i read this whole thing. that middle section was some dark shit.
― caulk the wagon and float it, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link