they really fucked themselves by starting this show off admitting there's a "pattern" to all of these things. oh, and the old guy just happened to work on anything involved in the pattern. magic computer can tell you EXACTLY where magic photo from dead girl's eye was taken. there weren't enough machinas in this episode for deuseses to be ex-ing from.
― REIGN IN FUDGE (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 09:26 (fifteen years ago) link
HOWEVER, i am still giving it a shot. but along with house tonight, this was kinda like fox's "ugh, come on, no way" tuesday.
― REIGN IN FUDGE (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 09:27 (fifteen years ago) link
I actually liked House tonight. But I don't think I've ever seen a House ep that I didn't enjoy.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 09:34 (fifteen years ago) link
The point is really that a writer (or writers) should do well enough for someone not to notice. The eye thing has been done many, many times before, and it is usually a pretty cheap trick when someone's written themselves into a hole/can't be bothered to come up with something better. And the Aliens gag was weak.
As you might've gathered, it didn't really chafe me quite as much, tho I can't recall the eye thing being done before, and you can't really do a pregnancy "gag" without inadvertently referencing "Aliens". But to each their own -- I've got plenty of reservations about this thing (including my fear that it's going to resort to having a WACKY SCIENCE GIMMICK for every episode) (oooh do cold fusion next!), but I'm not not enjoying it. One request, tho (since the show makers are of course reading this): more Kirk Acevedo.
BTW, Gubke, sorry for getting pissy w/ my earlier comment. (I blame the internet.)
― David R., Wednesday, 17 September 2008 14:19 (fifteen years ago) link
They Macgyver defibrillator bit was just ridiculous.
― I'm right right and you're wrong left (Susan), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 14:22 (fifteen years ago) link
the pregnant thing made me think of cronenberg's "shivers," but that's because "shivers" was on flix the day before yesterday.
― REIGN IN FUDGE (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 14:28 (fifteen years ago) link
more Kirk Acevedo
And maybe a Dean Winters cameo amirite?
― rogermexico., Wednesday, 17 September 2008 15:06 (fifteen years ago) link
This show would be better if it had Cate Blanchett in it instead of her doppleganger.
― lol (HI DERE), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 15:13 (fifteen years ago) link
that's the name i was lookig for last night!
― carne asada, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 15:18 (fifteen years ago) link
The only character in this show that is remotely endearing, entertaining or empathy inducing is Walter Bishop. This show sucks because all of the characters suck.
― Carl Magnusssen (petey_carnum), Wednesday, 17 September 2008 15:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah...I liked last night's episode way better than the pilot, but mainly just because they really didn't have enough story to fill out 90 minutes and it works much better as an hour. Walter Bishop is definitely the best part of the cast but he's treading a fine line of occasional, somewhat unexpected wackiness right now and that character could get tiresome or cheesy very quickly if they don't handle it right. Shows like this with a 'strong female lead' that don't bother casting a good actress or writing much of a personality for the character are so depressing.
― some dude, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 15:48 (fifteen years ago) link
So what is the playing god part, is the kid a clone of Walter or just otherwise genetically messed with?
― mh, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 16:39 (fifteen years ago) link
The only character in this show that is remotely endearing, entertaining or empathy inducing is Walter Bishop
Statement fails to account for RIDDICK FACTOR
― rogermexico., Thursday, 18 September 2008 00:55 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm annoyed by the LOST music being recycled.
Also, yes, Joshua Jackson is just a bizarre form of Pacey - does he have any way of delivering his lines beyond bored/upset/ironic?"Yah dad, we sorta figured that out. OK? You can't retrieve images from eyeballs."
The show is pretty goofy - the previews made me yell "Don't steal from heroes!", and then my BF and I had a conversation about episodic series and, I dunno, chapter series.. I don;t know what the definitions are between the two. Episodic, to me, would imply episodes. But that's not the case?
― aimurchie, Thursday, 18 September 2008 01:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Episodic means self-contained, largely, as opposed to serialized what's-its.
I'd even take the original Poor Man's Cate Blanchett, Sarah Wynter, over whoever plays Olivia.
lol @ Walter having the Doctor's hand-in-a-jar.
― Leee, Thursday, 18 September 2008 01:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Was X-Files episodic or serialized or both? This is a serious question.
― aimurchie, Thursday, 18 September 2008 02:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Both
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 September 2008 02:03 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm not all that familiar with much of Joss Whedon's work... He's just my go-to whipping boy whenever plot devices, government conspiracies, and powerful underworlds are too flippant to take half seriously. That may be just as much an Abrams trademark, but I don't watch his shows either.
Joshua Jackson hasn't been half as interesting as the description of him in his "file" in the first episode.
― Kerm, Thursday, 18 September 2008 02:07 (fifteen years ago) link
^^ wow do you not get Joss Whedon.
― rogermexico., Thursday, 18 September 2008 02:17 (fifteen years ago) link
This show sucks because all of the characters suck.
― Leee, Thursday, 18 September 2008 02:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Abrams is more the plot device/conspiracy guy and Whedon is more the touchy-feely clever homey dialogue dude, I thought
― mh, Thursday, 18 September 2008 02:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Also: along with Aaron Sorkin, Whedon pretty much pioneered the serious treatment of season-as-arc in network drama.
― rogermexico., Thursday, 18 September 2008 02:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, Kerm, I think you might be confusing Whedon with someone else.
― Mordy, Thursday, 18 September 2008 02:36 (fifteen years ago) link
I mean the guy with the show about the high school cheerleader that fights demons.
― Kerm, Thursday, 18 September 2008 03:43 (fifteen years ago) link
The West Wing?
― David R., Thursday, 18 September 2008 03:44 (fifteen years ago) link
I kind of enjoyed this ep - goofy is the right word for it. This show has way more of an Alias vibe than Buffy/X-Files/Lost, right down to the bad sci-fi - never mind eyeball-imaging/accelerated growth, but also the gimmicky, guess-what-awesome-gadget-we're-using-this-week. Said gadget will probably never be used again, even when they inevitably start recycling plotlines.
Olivia looks more like Poppy Montgomery (another generic-TV aussie blonde) from Without A Trace than Cate Blanchett. She's still pretty bland but i think she might grow on me (whereas Pacey/dad are more likely to get tiresome fast) - in the same way i thought Jennifer Garner on Alias was pretty boring before that show's wtf-ness completely sucked me in.
― casino royale with cheese (Roz), Thursday, 18 September 2008 15:35 (fifteen years ago) link
I would give this show kudos if I got any hint from the writing that it is intentionally goofy, and that the writers are aware; but I get none of that
still, it is utterly goofy and not unenjoyable; I wouldn't buy the DVDs or nuthin but I wouldn't step out if it were on
― cozen (cozwn), Thursday, 18 September 2008 15:39 (fifteen years ago) link
also: it is the x-files
― cozen (cozwn), Thursday, 18 September 2008 15:40 (fifteen years ago) link
I know ppl have said it above but it bears restating and restating: this show is the x-files
It is the x-files in content but not in form.
― casino royale with cheese (Roz), Thursday, 18 September 2008 15:42 (fifteen years ago) link
The X-Files was good.
― I'm right right and you're wrong left (Susan), Thursday, 18 September 2008 15:43 (fifteen years ago) link
good job outing the browncoats, Kerm
― some dude, Thursday, 18 September 2008 15:43 (fifteen years ago) link
i saw the second episode of this. it's not the worst thing i've ever seen but i was happy to not get hooked on it at all (who has time to watch tv etc.).
― Jordan, Thursday, 18 September 2008 15:44 (fifteen years ago) link
The X-Files didn't assume that putting something in the script made it believable.
― Kerm, Thursday, 18 September 2008 15:45 (fifteen years ago) link
c'mon, dudes, first couple of x-files episodes aren't what the show is famous for...
― REIGN IN FUDGE (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 18 September 2008 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link
these guys could pull it out! i mean, they blew everything in their pilot but maybe...
― REIGN IN FUDGE (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 18 September 2008 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link
This show is so boring that I want Pacey to steal Joey from the tiny Tom Cruise.
― aimurchie, Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:11 (fifteen years ago) link
Tom Cruise is no Dawson!
― aimurchie, Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:12 (fifteen years ago) link
More entertaining than one minute of Fringe.
― Nicole, Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Or the entirety of Fringe. Whatever, it's been a long day.
― Nicole, Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Anywhoo, there are too many holes. it's not believable - at all - that the lab at Harvard was just sitting there for decades. And then, suddenly it's up and running.And the whole thing with her going into the tank? I was like, tetanus shot.
I like the idea of monsters who need pituitary glands to live.
Always confused why the guy who needs this only goes for beautiful women. Men don't work? it's just so typical - he's a serial killer of women! But it doesn't make sense. He could get the gland from a whole range of folks.
I JUST really want Pacey to break up Joey's marriage to fake, short Dawson.
― aimurchie, Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:30 (fifteen years ago) link
The biggest problem I have with the show is the same problem I have with every show/movie set at Harvard; film crews are not allowed in Harvard Yard, so the school they're using in the show looks nothing like the actual Harvard.
― i am the small cat (HI DERE), Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Hahah, Dan, do you know where Michael Cimino filmed the Harvard prologue of Heaven's Gate?
Oxford.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:34 (fifteen years ago) link
And the whole thing with her going into the tank? I was like, tetanus shot.
You get tetanus from deep puncture wounds that allow anaerobic bacteria to grow. I think the tank was a smooth surface, but the urban legend linking rust and tetanus persists.
― mh, Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Always confused why the guy who needs this only goes for beautiful women. Men don't work?
YOU try picking up guys at strip clubs!
― David R., Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Well, that would be easy for me, I guess. maybe not. who knows.But, whatever, lots of people have pituitary glands - the simple solution would be to work with the elderly.
Ok, on the tetanus thing - I don't care how deep the gash has to be. Wires in water? It's all pretty silly.
Dan, it's really good that you didn't go to Columbia. For many reasons. They shoot L&O episodes there. (Although it would be cool if you appeared in an episode of L&O.)
Harvard should get over itself.
― aimurchie, Thursday, 18 September 2008 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Are you all complaining about strained/fanciful logic on a JJ Abrams joint? For shame!
― Leee, Thursday, 18 September 2008 21:37 (fifteen years ago) link
i like pacey from dawson's creek in this.
his dad in the show is awesome.
the dude from the wire is badass.
can't really dig the lead actress though. she bothers me.
decent show...i'll keep watching for awhile.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 18 September 2008 21:45 (fifteen years ago) link
I've missed the last two weeks but seeing as this hasn't bumped, it's like I haven't missed anything at all.
― Leee, Thursday, 2 October 2008 21:21 (fifteen years ago) link
I started watching the second episode, got vaguely bored, did something else, never came back.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 2 October 2008 21:29 (fifteen years ago) link
https://media.tenor.com/UtjjTDOuP1YAAAAC/dawson%27s-creek-basketball.gif
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Thursday, 31 August 2023 13:55 (seven months ago) link
ahaha stone cold classic RIGHT IN THE FACE
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 August 2023 14:51 (seven months ago) link
The entire series is on sale in the Apple TV store for $30. Heck of a deal if you don't mind all-digital
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 3 February 2024 07:26 (two months ago) link
Just started back in with this on Max, having stopped midway through season 2. The season 2 episode with Peter Weller as a time traveler, "White Tulip," is fucking incredible. Noble and Weller have a scene together that might be the best thing I've seen, TV or movie, all year.
― Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Monday, 26 February 2024 04:27 (one month ago) link
i love that episode so much, still hits as beautifully as it did the first time
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 February 2024 04:41 (one month ago) link