What Does ILM Think of Daniel Lanois?

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Hack-perbole.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link

I think all too often people think he's just glooping on the effects, but the Lanois sound has as much to do with overdriven amps and the right rooms as they do effects.

I would totally agree. His memoir (Soul Mining) def. makes the point that achieving "depth of field" is his main goal -- and that relies on mic placement and amps. To the extent he's using effects, while he's fairly cagey about his secrets, most of it is tape delay and an old Eventide harmonizer.

Again, tho, I think his sort of persona has a tendency to kind of undermine his product from time to time -- setting up shop in these very romantic, dramatic locales, old mansions in the French Quarter and projecting movies on parachutes hanging from the rafters of old x-rated Mexican theaters while the band records. It creates a real sense that the records he makes aren't about the artists he's recording -- but rather him producing those artists.

I also think his sense of composition is somewhat...if not conservative exactly at least very traditional. Which isn't a bad thing necessarily. But where, say, Mark Hollis was interested in stretching the boundaries of songwriting itself when he did his depth of field experiments on his self-titled record, Lanois applies these somewhat progressive production techniques to fairly straightforward tunes.

When it really works (say, "With God On My Side" on the Neville's record), it really, really works. When it doesn't, it can feel forced, artificial and kind of pretentious. And in the case of a record like Neil Young's Le Noise, or even Wrecking Ball it can feel like both.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link

The Black Dub album is like the only vinyl LP they sell at the FYE at the mall I go to sometimes. I was going to but it for Kerr for Christmas but I've since decided that was probably a terrible idea...

I dig the hell out of Le Noise and Wrecking Ball though.

henrietta lacks (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 4 January 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago) link

Time Out of Mind is to my ears one of the worst major production job of the last fifteen years, never mind the humdrum songwriting.
ha, let's keep in mind this is coming from a huge empire burlesque booster, so, um, grain of salt.

tylerw, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 23:22 (twelve years ago) link

Are you suggesting Al is a contrarian? ;-)

Btw, one of the things I found a bit surprising reading Lanois' book and seeing his movie is the extremely high regard he still holds for Eno. Like, there's no question their relationship is more peer at this point in their careers than teacher-student (both are over 60). But from having him sort of co-star in/narrate the movie to all the passages that describe the wisdom Eno has imparted to him over the years, the guy seems to still be a major touchstone and inspiration for Lanois. Which is interesting given how little they are alike in many ways.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 5 January 2012 01:18 (twelve years ago) link

But Empire Burlesque DOES offer terrible production! But the songs are much better. Let me put it this way: EB's terrible production interferes LESS with the good songs than TOOM's on its good songs.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 January 2012 01:31 (twelve years ago) link

In Lanois' defense his voodoo vibes-and-smoke atmospheres serve Dylan far better on Oh Mercy. The difference to my ears is the way in which that record sounds like eight or nine discrete moments -- risible, stupid, sublime -- instead of the auteur-imposed (and producer-abetted) dourness of TOOM.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 January 2012 01:33 (twelve years ago) link

I appreciate the effort on Time Out of Mind. I think the instruments sound pretty good and I like the reverb. I think they might have mixed it all in the center though. Mono. There's too much space in it.

timellison, Thursday, 5 January 2012 01:56 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I would have loved it in mono. Good call.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 January 2012 02:02 (twelve years ago) link

Listening now, it's not just the stereo separation that sounds problematic. There's too much space in the mix regardless of where things are in the stereo field. I want to hear it mixed as more of a wall of sound. There are all those sounds that sound great on old records but they're floating in space.

timellison, Thursday, 5 January 2012 02:38 (twelve years ago) link

Lanois talks a lot in the book about how he was trying to achieve this old sound from 50s records on TOOM -- with mic placements just so that you could really perceive where the band was but with certain artificial aspects to it that kind of played with your head (he mentions being able to hear John Lee Hooker tap his foot).

I don't really hear that on the record.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 5 January 2012 04:26 (twelve years ago) link

I can never decide how I feel about this dude. Sky Motel is one of my favorite Kristen Hersh records, and i think he gets partial credit for that, but often I feel like he's the sort of producer who exemplifies what Steve Albini dislikes (or one of the things he dislikes) about the term "producer": Lanois's stamp is audible on his productions from the first notes. Of course, that's also true with Albini stuff to an extent. But with Lanois it feels kind of - I don't know - like, his aesthetic can draw the best out of an artist, but that's not really his primary concern. Which I find a little offputting, even when it sounds terrific.

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 5 January 2012 04:32 (twelve years ago) link

i like martha and the muffins.

buzza, Thursday, 5 January 2012 04:38 (twelve years ago) link

i like most of TOOM a lot, and think that the murky production is a cool element. i don't want every dylan album to sound like that, but it's got some great tunes on it. "trying to get to heaven" "highlands" "cold irons bound" "not dark yet" "standing in the doorway"... it's definitely a *strange* production. sounds like a LOT of players on each track -- multiple guitarists, drummers, keyboards, all mixed in this odd, distant way. what's interesting is to hear the outtakes on Tell Tale Signs (which I presume were not mixed by Lanois) -- they've got a much clearer/sharper sound and much more "together" sounding performances. One wonders if there are unused takes of a lot of those TOOM songs along the same lines.

tylerw, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:12 (twelve years ago) link

I thought this story about Lanois pouting over not being the lead guitarist on the TOOM session said a lot about the guy's ego -- stuff I've always suspected but you don't get from his memoir.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link

oh yeah, i'm sure the dude has a major ego. how could he not? and yeah, in the hands of a different producer, TOOM would've been a very different album, but i don't know, it's an album I can live with. anyway, if you want to hear (most of) those songs stripped of their Lanoisiana, seek out the bootlegs or live singles Dylan put out after the fact. more along the lines of Love & Theft (same band from that album, roughly).

tylerw, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link

There's also anecdotes about Lanois resisting U2's "reinvention" on Achtung Baby; the band pegged him as the one mired in "old U2."

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link

xp like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh6olWmjzo8

tylerw, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link

mired in "old U2" during achtung baby was prob shorthand for "the guy who is more steeped in american music"

tylerw, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link

Aren't there stories about Dylan wanting to make some kind of Beck-ish album before Lanois did TOOM? It seems to age better than, say, Pop.

Cheap desert locations (Eazy), Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link

ha, i don't think i'd heard that (beck-ish). i know that lanois at some point suggested sampling old 78s to get some sort of ambiance for TOOM. there might even be a sample from a charley patton record or something?

tylerw, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

the version of "Red River Shore" (rejected, according to Clinton Heylin, quite reluctantly) on TTS is unimprovable. I shudder thinking how Lanois would have smothered it.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, that one really suggests a whole different conception of how the album could've sounded.

looking at lanois' production credits and holy shit -- did not know he did simply saucer's demo!

tylerw, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link

And Luscious Jackson! And Scott Weiland!

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link

Also, while I think Lanois clearly gravtitates toward Americana stuff, he can be pretty adventurous. I mean, "So" is a strange, spacious, airy sounding record. And possibly the weirdest, most atypical stuff he's ever done was, of all things, the Robbie Robertson solo album, which had those two or so bizarre tracks with Tony Levin (on stick) and Terry Bozzio (!) as the rhythm section.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze89N8Gc3sk

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link

ha, those are pretty weird dudes to pair with robbie robertson. that album is so bad though.

tylerw, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link

Though of course this is more par for the course, Robertson doing Gabriel (with Gabriel), which at the least further counters the Robertson auteur theory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGw7Bn05feE

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link

That Luscious Jackson record sounds like he worked with them but didn't have final cut, and so it's kind of his sound but not all-in.

I always wish Lanois had taken Leonard Cohen's Ten New Songs and did his thing with it.

Cheap desert locations (Eazy), Thursday, 5 January 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link

yeah him and cohen might be a good fit. get those canucks together!

tylerw, Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link

interesting to hear some praise for Teatro on this thread - i haven't listened to that one a bunch, but when I did, it seemed like Lanois had sucked all the life out of Willie.

tylerw, Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link

I hated Teatro at the time.

You'd think with Robertson and Young off the bucket list, he would have found his way to Cohen by now.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link

any minute now, it'll be announced that he's manning the boards for the next arcade fire opus

tylerw, Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link

Teatro's back cover tells it all: a picture of Willie looking like he's stoned to the gills with no idea what he's doing there.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link

xpost Arcade Fire already produced by Markus Dravs, former Eno acolyte/apprentice/assistant.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link

I saw Willie live when Teatro was new (at Farm Aid) & he sounded terrific playing those songs: it sounded huge & spooky in the giant amphitheater. It's a good record but not one to which I've returned, & I ought to do so.

Euler, Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link

I think I was at the same show. Tinley Park? Was Lanois in the band? With those two Cuban drummers?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link

Tinley Park, right, the year with Brian Wilson, Phish jamming with Neil Young, & Mellencamp with a rap interlude.

I didn't know Lanois was in the band, though! Definitely remember the drumming: that was a big part of the spooky vibe that night.

Euler, Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link

Especially love the last track on Teatro, "I've Loved You All Over The World."

Similarly, I saw Emmylou Harris at First Avenue when Wrecking Ball came out, with drums and percussion and all, and she was terrific.

Cheap desert locations (Eazy), Thursday, 5 January 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link

his recordings: Acadie then diminishing returns

his productions: unlistenable in philly otm: "But with Lanois it feels kind of - I don't know - like, his aesthetic can draw the best out of an artist, but that's not really his primary concern. Which I find a little offputting, even when it sounds terrific"

jimmy_chop, Thursday, 5 January 2012 22:52 (twelve years ago) link

i kind of dig the instrumental record he did with brian blade and mehldau a few years ago. haven't really been a fan of his vocals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zeu7kMwQPws

tylerw, Thursday, 5 January 2012 22:58 (twelve years ago) link

his productions: unlistenable in philly otm: "But with Lanois it feels kind of - I don't know - like, his aesthetic can draw the best out of an artist, but that's not really his primary concern. Which I find a little offputting, even when it sounds terrific"

I missed this post earlier and completely agree. You only need to look at the number of times he's either hired a documentarian to film the proceedings (Rocky World, Wrecking Ball, Here Is What Is) or written about himself (Soul Mining) to see that it seems like it's a lot more about him than the people he's working with.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 6 January 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link

four years pass...

Oh Mercy going down pretty nicely at the moment. "Most of the Time" is really fabulous.

Such a weirdly first rating guy. I want to love his sound and approach and then he goes and films himself live mixing a track in some Hollywood mansion after drinking a shot of "truth serum." Gag.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 21 August 2016 05:14 (seven years ago) link

I was surprised to learn, on buying a Raffi record from the used bin a while back for my kids, that it was produced by Daniel Lanois, who, at the time, ran a small studio near where Raffi worked.

https://joelfrancis.com/2009/05/15/lanois-raffi-eno/

The bald Phil Collins impersonator cash grab (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 21 August 2016 14:21 (seven years ago) link

Xpost, first rating = frustrating

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 21 August 2016 17:19 (seven years ago) link

Listening back the last few days ...

Flesh and Machine, his most recent solo record, is really good. Whereas most of his records have his sensitive new age guy emoting on them, lots of Rock-with-a-capital-R guitar and a bunch of his (admittedly nice) pedal steel playing, this one is pretty much just Lanois manipulating loops on his Lexicon Prime Time. About half of the tracks have Brian Blade doing his Brian Blade thing and there's a bit of pedal steel and piano in places. But most of it is loops, echoes and textures he's mixing together to create some kind of composition. Probably my favorite thing under his own name.

Le Noise, his Neil Young album from 2010, is generally really good if somewhat less revolutionary than he probably imagined it was when he made it. It's one of Lanois' uber– pretentious conceits: just Neil, his guitar and Lanois' "sonics" recorded in a spooky Hollywood mansion with shit projected on the walls while Neil laid tracks down. And candidly, there isn't much about the production that you can't do using a handful of plugins on a Mac in today's day and age. But Neil's songs are among his strongest in probably 20 years – "Hitchhiker" is a rambling Neil classic. And Lanois' production, to his credit, brings out some nice Crazy Horse-ish textures on the guitars and an often hidden ghostly quality in Neil's vocals. B&W film of the proceedings (another Lanois hobbyhorse of late) is pretty solid as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU5B53b9ntQ&feature=youtu.be

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 22 August 2016 19:57 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

goodbye to language is pretty cool, nothing incredible but i feel like i've wanted an album of ambient pedal steel for a long long time

marcos, Friday, 9 September 2016 14:09 (seven years ago) link

i love it, really beautiful sounds.

tylerw, Friday, 9 September 2016 14:31 (seven years ago) link

chuck johnson has an ambient pedal steel record coming out on VDSQ, keep your eyes open!

global tetrahedron, Friday, 9 September 2016 14:37 (seven years ago) link

yeahhh that should be cool.

tylerw, Friday, 9 September 2016 14:43 (seven years ago) link

Down the rabbit hole, it's Lanois interviewed by Pharrell:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihcPhJF3wyg

And here he is toying with a Lexington Prime Time delay processor in a band setting, very dub-minded:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I31pLAZQf0c

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 23 January 2021 04:19 (three years ago) link

"No Line ..." ... I've tried, and I mostly *like* U2, but whenever I go back to it there's just not much I get out of it. I can practically hear the band losing the courage of its convictions in real time, which I suppose makes sense, given the album was supposed to be weird and adventurous but the band wimped out. I remember being bummed out, because I think it's the first U2 album where Eno and Lanois share a lot writing credits - or get credit - but it just fails to live up to its potential.

Yeah, I know what you mean. I wasn't expecting anything miraculous, but I did like the idea of the band taking some real chances again. When I first played it, I thought "hey, this may be a good album," but then it's like the band went into a panic and we get "I'll Go Crazy If I Don't Go Crazy Tonight" wedged in there, followed by "Get On Your Boots" (not just a shitty single, they made it the LEAD single for crissakes) and "Stand Up Comedy" which were too awful for the album to make a full recovery. A shame because the rest is good.

A bit later, I noticed some U2 fans re-editing the album, slicing out "I'll Go Crazy," "Get On Your Boots" and "Stand Up Comedy," slotting in "Winter" (the version from the Linear DVD which apparently WAS intended for the album but cut at the last minute) and opening with the brief "Soon" which had ended up as a B-side. Someone uploaded it to Soundcloud somewhere and IMHO it's a big improvement - a solid, commendable album from start-to-finish. I'd probably throw in "Every Breaking Wave" too if the original version ever leaks out. Disappointing that it was ultimately compromised, but I think the material is there for what would have been their last good album.

birdistheword, Saturday, 23 January 2021 05:47 (three years ago) link

I think the band was somewhat chastened by the failed Moroccan sessions and likely facing some pressure from the label. It’s a shame because I agree the good material on that record is probably some of their best work with Eno and Lanois.

That Pharrell interview is great, tho the naked lady serving them water is 👀.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 23 January 2021 19:23 (three years ago) link

Yeah, I assume that was Pharrell trying to be cute, since it happens when he's talking about the important of spontaneity in the studio.

With "No Line ...", I think it really *was* the band chickening out. First it followed the aborted sessions with Rick Rubin. Then the band got cold feet about being too experimental. There are some telling quotes in the wiki (which actually pull-quotes an interview with Eno I did!):

The band scaled back these experimental pursuits, however; Mullen noted: "at a certain stage, reality hits, and you go, 'What are we gonna do with this stuff?' Are we going to release this sort of meandering experimentation, or are we gonna knock some songs out of this?"

Then later, after the album failed to make much of an impression:

The Edge concurred, admitting that the group erred by "starting out experimental and then trying to bring it into something that was more accessible". He added, "I think probably we should have said, 'It's an experimental work. That's what it is.' "Mullen refers to the album as "No Craic on the Horizon" and said, "It was pretty fucking miserable. It turns out that we're not as good as we thought we were and things got in the way." He attributed the release of "Get On Your Boots" as the album's lead single as "the beginning of the end," as the album would not recover from the song's negative reception.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 23 January 2021 19:46 (three years ago) link

Hah, nice! And I just learned a new word today: craic.

U2 seemed to be okay with low-key releases in the past (Zooropa being a particular favorite), but beginning with Pop, they've gotten really panicky, and I think this was BEFORE Pop came out too, not after - to my understanding, they had the world tour booked and rushed work on it (particularly the lead single, "Discothèque") so they could release it in time for marketing to build the momentum needed for a big summer single. Since then, everything's been so calculated to the point where U2 became more of a corporation than a band. As much as I liked ATYCLB, it was more of a case where sound artistic intent fortunately lined up with their long-term business strategy, which had nothing to do with breaking ground and all about rebuilding their commercial fortunes. It's a far cry from a band that hired Eno against the initial objections of label head Chris Blackwell.

birdistheword, Saturday, 23 January 2021 20:40 (three years ago) link

(Should clarify, Pop overall was an attempt to try something new, but it still had the first real troubling sign of business goals compromising their work.)

birdistheword, Saturday, 23 January 2021 20:43 (three years ago) link

Damn, who's the drummer on that KEXP session??

change display name (Jordan), Saturday, 23 January 2021 20:56 (three years ago) link

Blade.

As for U2 and NLOTH, don’t discount the acrimony over the Passengers project either. It is kind of telling they haven’t worked with Eno or Lanois since this one.

He's a great singer/songwriter, but also super when it's just him and a lap steel.

I agree w the latter point but as a songwriter he can get really mushy. I actually think part of the reason Us is ultimately underwhelming is that despite bringing some good material Gabriel came off a divorce and breakup and instead of pushing him Lanois just indulged Gabriel’s most touchy feely tendencies lyrically and musically. It’s still an ok album but ultimately kind of derailed Gabriel’s career as a, er, big time pop artist.

Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 23 January 2021 20:59 (three years ago) link

No, that's not Blade (in the last video that Josh posted)

change display name (Jordan), Saturday, 23 January 2021 21:10 (three years ago) link

Touring commitments compromised Pop from the start.

Also, the band saved their worst, most conventional songs rejected from AB andZooropa ("Wake Up Dead Man") for Pop.

meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 January 2021 21:13 (three years ago) link

Yeah, don't know who that drummer is, but it's not Blade.

With U2, I seem to recall a claim their tours didn't really generate huge profits until after Pop, and for as long as they've been rock stars, I don't think it's been until the All That You Can't Leave Behind album and beyond that their tours have really started raking in the big bucks. Clearly their accountants took a lay of the land and the band took whatever advice they got to heart.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 23 January 2021 21:25 (three years ago) link

Ok the drummer is Kyle Crane, whose claim to fame is being the drum double in Whiplash (ie any time it cuts to the hands and actually looks like the hands of a good drummer)

change display name (Jordan), Saturday, 23 January 2021 21:57 (three years ago) link

My bad, I was thinking of his Tiny Desk concert.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 24 January 2021 13:47 (three years ago) link

(Willie Nelson sounds like a guest on his own Teatro)

heh this might be my second favorite Willie record since his Outlaw heyday came to a close (Spirit is better)
but tbf he's released a LOT in the last 40 years and I've heard very few.

Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Sunday, 24 January 2021 18:54 (three years ago) link

(Willie Nelson sounds like a guest on his own Teatro)

I didn't see this (I need to start reading thread starters). LMAO. This sounds like a common complaint with Lanois albums - as much as I like Emmylou Harris's Wrecking Ball, it could've been credited as a Daniel Lanois album with guest vocalist Emmylou Harris, and I wouldn't have questioned it. With Willie, he's made a ton of albums loaded with guest stars and a ton that's basically shared with someone else, so Teatro kind of fits into that tradition except this time he's sharing top-billing with a producer rather than a performer.

Willie's output since the whole IRS thing has been impressive as hell. Right after he settled his tax problems, he recorded one last album for Columbia before they dropped him, and on of that he turned 60, yet he's been ridiculously prolific. I have a real soft spot for that last Columbia album, Across the Borderline. Even if it seems fairly calculated, who cares? He still hits every target. Spirit is easily my favorite, hands down his greatest album since his '70s classics. Even his last few albums have been consistently good too. Teatro is a commendable album, and Lanois's production certainly distinguishes it, but it's not one of my favorites from either Willie or Lanois.

birdistheword, Sunday, 24 January 2021 20:15 (three years ago) link

*on top of that he turned 60

birdistheword, Sunday, 24 January 2021 20:16 (three years ago) link

yeah i can't say i've knowingly heard Across the Borderline but it looks like it could be interesting.

I gave a listen to Band of Brother(i think that's what it's called?) a while back, which as i understand it all new self-penned compositions, maybe his first like that this century? it was pleasant enough but I can't remember much sticking with me

Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Sunday, 24 January 2021 20:27 (three years ago) link

I think Teatro is an album that on paper seems like it would be a good fit for Lanois, but really isn't. Emmylou I disagree with, though. She specifically approached it as a reinvention of sorts, and all of her solo albums since then have hewed closer to it than to any of her formative works, Lanois or no. Plus, I think the setting and band suits her super well, from song selection to sonics. I don't think she ever sounds less than the star and central focus. Even if it often feels collaborative, I also consider it a perfect pairing of performer and producer. A case in point could be "Where Will I Be," which is a beautiful (Lanois) song sung perfectly by Emmy, vs. "The Maker," another beautiful Lanois song, which is not done justice by Willie on his record.

I did get to see Willie and Lanois doing stuff from that album at Farm Aid in 1998 though! Which also featured the Neil Young/Phish collaboration no one ever asked for. Oh, and a good Brian Wilson performance, iirc!

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 24 January 2021 22:07 (three years ago) link

I love Teatro. Agree Spirit is excellent but don’t hear a thing in Teatro worth complaining about. Willie’s playing is so loose, the roomy sound of the drums is perfect.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Sunday, 24 January 2021 22:50 (three years ago) link

I checked Teatro out of the library two weeks ago and gave up after a few plays.

Agree with the praise for Spirit.

but I dig a few Willie shlock-a-rama albums from the mid '80s, so ymmmv

Didn’t know Lanois was there with Nelson at Farm Aid 1998. I was there too!

All cars are bad (Euler), Sunday, 24 January 2021 23:11 (three years ago) link

Yeah, I think he had the two Cuban drummers from the album with him, too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jh5_4o0TCs

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 24 January 2021 23:37 (three years ago) link

There was a sense with Teatro—what with moderately esoteric song choices, the Wim Wenders documentary, and the ramshackle recording setting—that Lanois and Willie were both kind of treading water a bit. It’s fine – but as Josh alludes to, there’s nothing about his version of “The Maker” that the original doesn’t do better. Which is saying something because Willie is arguably one of the dozen or so best singers of the 20th century.

I’ve always had mixed feelings about Wrecking Ball no matter how much I try. There are a ton of surface pleasures for me with this record, the material with Neil Young, Larry Mullen on drums. “Goin’ Back to Harlan” is pretty much perfection and “Sweet Old World” is almost as good. But it has this air of pretension that kind of leaves me cold and it marks the beginning of Emmylou’s transformation from transcendent country harmonist to creaky alt country emoter.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 25 January 2021 01:47 (three years ago) link

It's heretical, I guess, but when Harris sings solo she bores me; she's a genius on backup.

There's a track Lanois did on Syd Straw's debut album that epitomizes a producer applying their signature sound in the most rote, unimaginative way possible (not that the song would have been very notable with a better approach).

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 25 January 2021 04:03 (three years ago) link

I think the last track, "Golden Dreams," is the only one actually produced by Lanois. For Eno completists like me, it features, well, Eno. Incredible number of amazing musicians on that album, though. Everyone from Pino Palladino and Jim Keltner to Marc Ribot and Michael Stipe. Probably leftover connections and goodwill from her Golden Palominos experience.

A good example of what a different producer can do is that first Ron Sexsmith album, which is mostly produced by Froom but which features one song twice, the second time produced by Lanois. Here's the Froom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsEZPvipd2U

And here's the Lanois:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxxulc82lN4

Froom was a better match, at least imo.

The first Chris Whitley album (produced by Malcolm Burn at Lanois's studio) is a good example of Lanois, once-removed. Similarly, maybe, is "Fuse" by Joe Henry, which sounds super cool and was produced by T Bone Burnett but I think mixed by Lanois. (Incidentally, Lanois used to be managed by Melanie Ciccone, Henry's wife and Madonna's sister.)

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 January 2021 04:39 (three years ago) link

I looked at the credits on the Syd Straw album, which I have, but never realized the Lanois/Eno involvement. They produced that last track together, he was involved in the production of another, and mixed a third.

"Golden Dreams" is perfectly wonderful. Nothing rote about it.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 25 January 2021 05:01 (three years ago) link

This is an amusing comparison because Froom is absolutely another producer who increasingly brought a bag of tricks to most of the artists he produced. And usually that bag was carrying a trash can lid and a Chamberlain.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 25 January 2021 05:51 (three years ago) link

I actually thought of "There's a Rhythm" as another example of Lanois-by-numbers when I made my post.

Honestly, I find the whole Syd Straw album overly fussy except for "Future Forties".

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 25 January 2021 13:21 (three years ago) link

I think the Syd Straw album is kind of fussy and underdeveloped at the same time, but it's been a while. The Sexsmith, I agree that is *totally* Lanois by numbers. I posted it because I think Ron made the right choice by going with the trashcan lid guy.

It's funny, one of the most famous Lanois (solo) productions is "So," but that album lacks many if not most of the characteristics that he's famous for. As opposed to "Us," which is a lot more airy and muddy.

Got distracted just now and finally followed up on this vague credit he gets for working on the "Last of the Mohicans" soundtrack. I never realized even that was subject to Michael Mann's whims.

Director Michael Mann initially asked Trevor Jones to provide an electronic score for the film, but late in production, it was decided an orchestral score would be more appropriate for this historic epic. Jones hurried to re-fashion the score for orchestra in the limited time left, while the constant re-cutting of the film meant music cues sometimes had to be rewritten several times to keep up with the new timings. Finally, with the release date looming, composer Randy Edelman was called in to score some minor scenes which Jones did not have time to do. Jones and Edelman received co-credit on the film (thus making the score ineligible for Oscar consideration). The main theme of the movie is "Promontory", an orchestration of the tune "The Gael" by Scottish singer-songwriter Dougie MacLean from his 1990 album The Search. The score was re-recorded and re-released in 2000 to address some perceived problems with its original incarnation. The tracks were reordered into their onscreen chronology (the original album separated the Jones material from that composed by Edelman), some additional cues were added, and Clannad's "I Will Find You" was no longer included.

Anyway, that was a secondary distraction, because there is the matter of Lanois. It looks like he gets writing credit for this pretty soundtrack gem, which originated as an as a Lanois track called "Orchestral Mohicans":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cM1aVESfYk

I forgot he also produced the soundtrack to Red Dead Redemption 2, including songs with Willie, D'Angelo and this sentimental ballad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Rhe5BrYpI

Interesting process talk here:

How different was working on Red Dead from working on, say, a movie soundtrack?

The person playing the game is directing the character, either to walk into a saloon or walk down by the riverbed, let’s say—and depending on the choice you make, you’ll hear a certain part of a given song. We call that a stem. So I have to mix the melodic stem separately from the rest of the song. It makes me put all my mixing energy into those few components at that moment. When I listened back to these stems—these little sub-mixes—they really had a lot of vibe to them, because I was devoting all of my skills to one small aspect of a bigger production. Then we’d move on to the bassline, and then the drums and percussion. So maybe there’d be six or seven choices gotten to by moving the character in the game. And then at some point all those sounds come together.

I thought that was fascinating. It reminded me a little bit of this multiple-speaker thing that I had going with Eno for a while. We’d have maybe a dozen different speakers spread all over the studio, or around the house, and we’d send different sounds through different speakers. I thought that was just fabulous, because you were walking through a forest of sounds that changed largely by distance. Moving into this mixing for the game touched on that nerve—something that I had already fallen in love with a long time ago.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 January 2021 15:00 (three years ago) link

Goodbye to Language is soooooooo good

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 22, 2021 9:27 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

J. Sam, Monday, 25 January 2021 15:07 (three years ago) link

Speaking of D'Angelo, I bet Lanois was knocked on his butt when he heard "Voodoo."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 January 2021 15:49 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

I'm so sad that the new album is not a follow-up to Goodbye to Language. Not into any of this.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 19 March 2021 16:21 (three years ago) link

New interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c92R9rAANeA

birdistheword, Friday, 19 March 2021 17:34 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

Among many other things, Bob Lanois produced the sessions that became Simply Saucer's Cyborgs Revisited. According to the story Bob told me when I was writing my book, Dan came home late while the recording was happening in their mom's basement and plugged his ears. R.I.P. https://t.co/Fl4QhdN3So

— Jesse Locke (@wipeoutbeat) April 20, 2021

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 21:50 (two years ago) link

Aw.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 22:10 (two years ago) link

Proper obit here:

Bob Lanois patiently taught me how to run a mixing board at Grant Avenue when I was teenager. This skill helped guide my future in radio. He also showed me how to "listen" to sounds...musical and all sounds. #RIPBobLanois. You were a sweet soul. https://t.co/pWGRmn0gsy

— Peggy Chapman (@PeggyChapman16) April 20, 2021

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 22:27 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

Good take on a posthumous release, imo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs8nUCLQTgw

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 15 August 2021 22:40 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Long interview on Beato's channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxP9kKzbCFA

Which is how I learned of this, the group Lanois worked with that brought him to Eno's attention:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOJDelGsWlw

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 May 2023 16:13 (ten months ago) link


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