2012 republican presidential nominee III: can romney get santorum out of his hair?

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because fundies have a lot of money.

the GOP treats the fundies better than the Dems treat progressives!

^^^this. how is this even debatable.

crazy pro-life shit, crazy pro-Israeli shit - they throw plenty of meat to the fundies (it's just that, of course, they always want MORE)

crazy pro-life shit, crazy pro-Israeli shit

which party are you talking about lololollzolzozlzolzzzz

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"I want MOOOOOOOORRRRRE!"

Bachmann’s Out
By Katrina Trinko
January 4, 2012 11:58 A.M. Comments0
West Des Moines, Iowa – Announcing the end of her presidential campaign, flanked by her family and close associates, Michele Bachmann made it clear that she had enjoyed the ride.

“I have no regrets. None whatsoever,” she said.

Explaining her decision, Bachmann said that Iowans had sent a message “with a very clear voice” last night.

She also made a plea for Republicans to unite around the eventual nominee. “I believe if we are going to repeal Obamacare, turn our country around, and take back our country, we must do so united,” she said. “And I believe that we must rally around the person that our country and our party and our people select to be that standard bearer.”

sorry, I think the 'fundie' pols are mostly poseurs, esp the gay ones.

I think we are thoroughly a bipartisan crazy-pro-Israeli circus.

this isn't a 1-1 comparison, fundies outnumber progressives and if that weren't enough our electoral structures benefit them too

who knew Ariel was in Sisters of Mercy

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u mans far right

aww man michele's gone. RIP lady whose pronunciation of the word "Obama" took nasal to previously undreamt-of sonic heights

ah, the backlash

who was president sterling?

xp

Newt Gingrich is hitting back after Ron Paul called him a “chicken-hawk.”

“What (Paul) just said has about the same amount of accuracy as the newsletters he denies he wrote.”

I do tend to laugh at how effective Gingrich's mean zings are.

crazy pro-life shit, crazy pro-Israeli shit - they throw plenty of meat to the fundies (it's just that, of course, they always want MORE)

― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, January 4, 2012 12:12 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

compared to what theyre continually promised the fundies get almost nothing, pro life stuff is incremental at best and Israel isnt a major or a primarily fundy concern, gop establishments been playing them for years

while the gop is for sure more solicitous, for demographic reasons mostly, of their less moderate members than the dems, if you look at how those respective cohorts feel abt how theyre being treated its p much a mirror image, both think their party is hopelessly defeatist and cowardly always giving into the well oiled tactically ingenious malevolent other party, and that they would surely win if they only stood up and fought for their true righteous views

if you look at how those respective cohorts feel abt how theyre being treated its p much a mirror image

yeah this is definitely true

http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2012/01/kevin-drums-peak-crazy-republican-presidential-poll-share-graph.html

i really like brad delong but man he's interpreting this absolutely backwards

Dem and Repug pols are sep'd mostly by rhetoric. They steer the ship together onto the beach.

hmm ive never heard that point from you before morbs

pro life stuff is incremental at best

please don't minimize the actual effect that these "incremental" setbacks are having on real people's lives every day in states where abortion access is now hindered, limited, or, as in Kansas and elsewhere, effectively illegal

im not, just speaking as far as what they want

just like every progressive calls obamacare watered down

which btw is an area where you can't actually argue much party difference - these "incremental" setbacks are signed-off on by Democrats, who then talk about the rights the didn't sign away, which they then classify as gains - "we gave up x, but they wanted to take y!" which is just the saddest

im not, just speaking as far as what they want

they are actually getting what they want via incremental setback. that's the ground plan, it's the whole plan, there isn't any plan to REVERSE ROE V. WADE no matter how they talk, the plan is to gradually restrict access to abortion via local & state measures. the big game they talk translates into a series of plays down the field. these are the plays Democrats ought to be pushing back against, not some fantasy "they're going to appeal this case to the Supreme Court" scenario.

^^^

otm!

i understand that thats the hardcore pro life movers and shakers plan now, but its not what like yr average fundie voter wants, theyre still just all outlaw the murder of innocent babies and prob consider to the extent that theyre aware of it, this sort of compromise to be hopelessly corrupted by washington values etc

there are for sure all sorts of areas where the parties agree, recently both parties have figured out that most people dont want abortion illegal but dont really mind if its incrementally restricted, so they can stop fighting abt that - its p instructive as to the vile mechanisms of inter party cooperation

and they all like killing Muslems overseas.

well i mean who doesnt

killing them over here not as fun

u might get blood on u

Muslims don't have blood iirc

I think you underestimate the average anti-choicer's sophistication about this issue. They have been coordinating their game for a long time. I know they often sound dumb in comments threads or if news cameras catch them, and the temptation to succumb to caricature is heavy when we disagree so strongly with their beliefs, but they are about their fucking business & are not dumb. Carole Joffe's book Dispatches from the Abortion Wars is worth a read on this subject.

yah i know their activist base is v on their grind, its just my contention that theres a larger group of fundies for whom this isnt necessarily their main issue who are not as dialed in or on board

Muslims don't have blood iirc

― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, January 4, 2012 12:44 PM (57 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

*checks bible* oh damn u right

yah i know their activist base is v on their grind, its just my contention that theres a larger group of fundies for whom this isnt necessarily their main issue who are not as dialed in or on board

nah i think if anything cynical mnstrm republicans would love to have abortion as an issue to campaign on forever, the on the ground crazies really are the ones who are getting shit done in small incremental steps in places like north dakota. and i think abortion is still - despite all the stuff abt socialist big government death camps - the reason that there are so many political evangelicals

republicans can still campaign on abortion if they want! no ones stopping them

I don't think cynical mnstrm republicans exist to the same extent post-bush. if the GOP could make abortion 100% illegal across the country w/ no political consequences, would they? sure. but that's never going to be a possibility absent a huge shift in peoples' views on the subject. that being the case it's not that they're just toying w/ the voters, there genuinely isn't that much more they can do on the national level w/o a backlash.

even if abortion just disappeared as a subject there would still be a culture war to fight. there will always be a culture war sujet du jour.

idk according to many recent think pieces the culture war is no longer a trending topic

if anything cynical mnstrm republicans would love to have abortion as an issue to campaign on forever

have always thought this about the Democrats

not much thought in those pieces

Speaking of culture wars, Sullivan's dug up a pleasant missive from Santorum's past:

http://www.catholic.org/featured/headline.php?ID=30

It is startling that those in the media and academia appear most disturbed by this aberrant behavior, since they have zealously promoted moral relativism by sanctioning "private" moral matters such as alternative lifestyles. Priests, like all of us, are affected by culture. When the culture is sick, every element in it becomes infected. While it is no excuse for this scandal, it is no surprise that Boston, a seat of academic, political and cultural liberalism in America, lies at the center of the storm.

Take it easy, media--it's Boston.

lmao santorum even u can do better than that

next thing hell try to blame the fact that he brought a stillborn fetus home and cuddled it w/his family for a few hours on the gays

When the culture is sick, every element in it becomes infected. While that is no excuse for the Red Sox implosion in 2011, it is no surprise that Boston, a seat of academic, political and cultural liberalism in America, lies at the center of the storm.

who was president sterling?

fer the young'uns among'uns, see: free speech movement in 1964, president sterling of UC @ Berkeley.