2012 republican presidential nominee III: can romney get santorum out of his hair?

MA gov romney is prob further from the 'gop median' than 2011 ron paul. no?

ehh, I'm pretty sure the average Republican voter is more likely to vote for Romney than Paul.

wasnt it Frothymix who complained that Paul was "to the left of Obama on national security"? as if there was any room there, huh.

its nice to know that in 2012 big deal republicans still implicitly word their invites to read 'no jews'

A group of movement conservatives has called an emergency meeting in Texas next weekend to find a “consensus” Republican presidential hopeful, POLITICO has learned.

Good luck USA!

MA gov romney is prob further from the 'gop median' than 2011 ron paul. no?

― iatee, Wednesday, January 4, 2012 11:39 AM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

naw pauls stances on foreign policy / criminal justice / economics are p much the oposite of the gop establishment - romney is just somewhat moderate - i mean its wroth repeating that he pushed for 'romneycare' because it was a major republican concept at the time - he did it because he thought it would help him get elected president! lol

Oh those smoke filled rooms:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMcaRMSjk70

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2011/12/newt-gingrich-gradient-cropped-proto-custom_28.jpg

what if a candidate looks like a smoke-filled room in human form

Interesting that those Texans are inviting the usual Dobson, Wildmon et al. A Republican caller this morning on CSPAN said, pretty accurately I thought, that the "family values" issues that Santorum is likely to press if his success were to continue would alienate enough moderate R's to guarantee Obama another four years.

GOP treats the fundies like Dems treat progressives: "Where ya gonna go?"

tbf the gop gives way more lip service to its fundies, they just rarely enact actual legislation

the GOP treats the fundies better than the Dems treat progressives!

that's because they make up a substantial % of gop voters and (these days) gop politicians

yerp

because fundies have a lot of money.

the GOP treats the fundies better than the Dems treat progressives!

^^^this. how is this even debatable.

crazy pro-life shit, crazy pro-Israeli shit - they throw plenty of meat to the fundies (it's just that, of course, they always want MORE)

crazy pro-life shit, crazy pro-Israeli shit

which party are you talking about lololollzolzozlzolzzzz

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/answers/841000/841439_1281274003656.07res_450_300.jpg

"I want MOOOOOOOORRRRRE!"

Bachmann’s Out
By Katrina Trinko
January 4, 2012 11:58 A.M. Comments0
West Des Moines, Iowa – Announcing the end of her presidential campaign, flanked by her family and close associates, Michele Bachmann made it clear that she had enjoyed the ride.

“I have no regrets. None whatsoever,” she said.

Explaining her decision, Bachmann said that Iowans had sent a message “with a very clear voice” last night.

She also made a plea for Republicans to unite around the eventual nominee. “I believe if we are going to repeal Obamacare, turn our country around, and take back our country, we must do so united,” she said. “And I believe that we must rally around the person that our country and our party and our people select to be that standard bearer.”

sorry, I think the 'fundie' pols are mostly poseurs, esp the gay ones.

I think we are thoroughly a bipartisan crazy-pro-Israeli circus.

this isn't a 1-1 comparison, fundies outnumber progressives and if that weren't enough our electoral structures benefit them too

who knew Ariel was in Sisters of Mercy

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web05/2012/1/4/11/enhanced-buzz-wide-5467-1325695972-36.jpg

u mans far right

aww man michele's gone. RIP lady whose pronunciation of the word "Obama" took nasal to previously undreamt-of sonic heights

ah, the backlash

who was president sterling?

xp

Newt Gingrich is hitting back after Ron Paul called him a “chicken-hawk.”

“What (Paul) just said has about the same amount of accuracy as the newsletters he denies he wrote.”

I do tend to laugh at how effective Gingrich's mean zings are.

crazy pro-life shit, crazy pro-Israeli shit - they throw plenty of meat to the fundies (it's just that, of course, they always want MORE)

― The Silent Extreme (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, January 4, 2012 12:12 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

compared to what theyre continually promised the fundies get almost nothing, pro life stuff is incremental at best and Israel isnt a major or a primarily fundy concern, gop establishments been playing them for years

while the gop is for sure more solicitous, for demographic reasons mostly, of their less moderate members than the dems, if you look at how those respective cohorts feel abt how theyre being treated its p much a mirror image, both think their party is hopelessly defeatist and cowardly always giving into the well oiled tactically ingenious malevolent other party, and that they would surely win if they only stood up and fought for their true righteous views

if you look at how those respective cohorts feel abt how theyre being treated its p much a mirror image

yeah this is definitely true

http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2012/01/kevin-drums-peak-crazy-republican-presidential-poll-share-graph.html

i really like brad delong but man he's interpreting this absolutely backwards

Dem and Repug pols are sep'd mostly by rhetoric. They steer the ship together onto the beach.

hmm ive never heard that point from you before morbs

pro life stuff is incremental at best

please don't minimize the actual effect that these "incremental" setbacks are having on real people's lives every day in states where abortion access is now hindered, limited, or, as in Kansas and elsewhere, effectively illegal

im not, just speaking as far as what they want

just like every progressive calls obamacare watered down

which btw is an area where you can't actually argue much party difference - these "incremental" setbacks are signed-off on by Democrats, who then talk about the rights the didn't sign away, which they then classify as gains - "we gave up x, but they wanted to take y!" which is just the saddest

im not, just speaking as far as what they want

they are actually getting what they want via incremental setback. that's the ground plan, it's the whole plan, there isn't any plan to REVERSE ROE V. WADE no matter how they talk, the plan is to gradually restrict access to abortion via local & state measures. the big game they talk translates into a series of plays down the field. these are the plays Democrats ought to be pushing back against, not some fantasy "they're going to appeal this case to the Supreme Court" scenario.

^^^

otm!

i understand that thats the hardcore pro life movers and shakers plan now, but its not what like yr average fundie voter wants, theyre still just all outlaw the murder of innocent babies and prob consider to the extent that theyre aware of it, this sort of compromise to be hopelessly corrupted by washington values etc

there are for sure all sorts of areas where the parties agree, recently both parties have figured out that most people dont want abortion illegal but dont really mind if its incrementally restricted, so they can stop fighting abt that - its p instructive as to the vile mechanisms of inter party cooperation

and they all like killing Muslems overseas.

well i mean who doesnt

killing them over here not as fun

u might get blood on u

Muslims don't have blood iirc

I think you underestimate the average anti-choicer's sophistication about this issue. They have been coordinating their game for a long time. I know they often sound dumb in comments threads or if news cameras catch them, and the temptation to succumb to caricature is heavy when we disagree so strongly with their beliefs, but they are about their fucking business & are not dumb. Carole Joffe's book Dispatches from the Abortion Wars is worth a read on this subject.

yah i know their activist base is v on their grind, its just my contention that theres a larger group of fundies for whom this isnt necessarily their main issue who are not as dialed in or on board