god that Atkins post is mostly idiotic
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 3 January 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
the initial matt stoller post is worth reading but it does have some problems
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/12/matt-stoller-why-ron-paul-challenges-liberals.html
― goole, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
But this obscures the real question, of why Paul disdains the Fed (and implicitly, why liberals do not), and the relationship between the Federal Reserve and American empire. If you go back and look at some of libertarian allies, like Fox News’s Judge Napolitano, they will answer that question for you. Napolitano hates, absolutely hates, Abraham Lincoln. He sometimes slyly refers to Lincoln as America’s first dictator. Libertarians also detest Woodrow Wilson, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
What connects all three of these Presidents is one thing – big ass wars, and specifically, war financing. If you think today’s deficits are bad, well, Abraham Lincoln financed the Civil War pretty much entirely by money printing and debt creation, taking America off the gold standard.
yeah, boo fuckin hoo
― goole, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
Politicians Are Lower Than Whaleshit, All of Them
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, January 3, 2012 11:27 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lol you are exactly the average american voter
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
I disagree – he's mostly correct about liberalism.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
so who is lagoon? seems 'worthy' of being pundneb
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
you seem worthy of googling ron paul
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
u r a bigger asshole than the average american voter
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
lol ultimate morbs zing alert, compare him to an american
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
Santorum on African-Americans:
"What President Obama wants to do, his economic plan is to make more people dependent upon government. To grow the government, To make sure we have more food stamps, and more SSI and more Medicaid. Four in 10 children are now on government-provided health care. It just keeps expanding," Santorum said.
He talked about how Iowa is going to get fined if more people don’t sign up for Medicaid and then said, "They're pushing harder and harder to get more and more of you dependent upon them so they can get your vote. That's what the bottom line is. So I don't want to make black people’s lives better by giving them somebody else's money. I want to give them the opportunity to go out and earn the money and provide for themselves and their families."
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/santorum-singles-out-black-people-as-dependent-on-government-20120102
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
yeah we talked about that a little an hour and a half ago (where "talked" should be interpreted as "shook our heads and had a rueful, slightly incredulous chuckle")
― Much Ado About Nuttin (DJP), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
uh i don't think i even understand how the caucuses work on the gop side
http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/how-to-caucus/
― goole, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
go to a room, eat cookies, yell abt stuff
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
black people should under no circumstances be given anybody's money, is what i'm taking away here
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
i guess it is more like a straight vote. no weird group cutoff jawboning stuff, like the democrats do. haha.
xp
― goole, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
"they are giving you healthcare in order to buy your votes! get off the plantation!!!"
"you know rick that's actually a pretty good deal"
― goole, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/cxNBF.png
this graphic is somehow hilarious
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
when will these fucking government types stop saying dumb shit like "grow the government" like it's a hydrangea
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
why do the republicans not have a flag in their room do they hate america
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
re: that Atkins piece, his characterization of liberalism is pretty accurate, which is why i said it was only 'mostly' idiotic, but he evades greenwald and stoller's main points
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
sounds slightly better than the GOP deal where they take your vote and give you nothing
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
srsly if people actually got stuff for their votes the country would be a better place
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
lol otm
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
Youtube comments on that Santorum clip are mindboggling:
He didn't say the word "black," he stumbled over the wordd "people's lives." Listen very closely with your ears, not your imagination. If anything, it sounds like "balite" or "palite." Very definitely not "black."
So glad he wants to make polite peoples' lives better.
― Dan Peterson, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
If anything, it sounds like "balite" or "palite."
haha wut
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
polite guys finish last again
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
re: that atkin's piece -- characterizing liberalism as being about "intervention" is so broad as to be useless.
When Abraham Lincoln and the North decided not to allow the nation of the Confederacy--and make no mistake, it was a separate nation with separate laws and an entirely separate culture--to secede from the Union, in large part because the North had an interest in ending slavery in the South and in striking down a competing agrarian economic system, that too was intervention by a superior force against a lesser force attempting to exploit the weak and powerless. To this day, many Southerners feel that their land is being occupied by an illegitimate and invading power, and theirs a Lost Cause that will rise again.
i mean there are about a dozen things wrong with this.
― goole, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
his whole deal is setting up a dumb duality: some bad state of affairs exists and liberalism in favor of "intervening" to stop it. and then ron paul doesn't like 'intervening' in anything which is why he is bad. this just isn't the right way to think about anything.
― goole, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
lol did the homie really just argue that the north "intervened" in the south
― max, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
To this day, many Southerners feel that their land is being occupied by an illegitimate and invading power, and theirs a Lost Cause that will rise again.The End.Joel Perkins, Age 10.
The End.
Joel Perkins, Age 10.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
can we go back to how Rick Santorum now magically never said "black people" in that video where is clearly saying "black people"
I love the comments saying he said "a lot" or "BLIGHT" because you know, there's a big problem in America's blight community
― Much Ado About Nuttin (DJP), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
to this day many people believe many things
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
theirs a Lost Cause that will rise again
... how exactly does this work
― Much Ado About Nuttin (DJP), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
it just come on
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
in large part because the North had an interest in ending slavery in the South and in striking down a competing agrarian economic system
yes this is er not quite acurate
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
"this ideology is hopeless, one day it will reign supreme"
― Much Ado About Nuttin (DJP), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
Listen very closely with your ears, not your imagination
I think I heard the narrator for a Disney attraction use this line.
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
did we talk about Santorum's followup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwYdXOAGXlc&feature=related
― Much Ado About Nuttin (DJP), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
I see only one black guy in the original clip: the sound man. There appear to be a few polite people, and a couple who are blighted. So I'm pretty sure he says "polite" or "blight," zeroing in on the people who are in the room listening.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
'ive seen that quote and i havent seen the context in which it was made' lol man you realize youre talking abt something you said
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
This man is a traet.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
i mean you were THERE
it's weird, he does stumble over the word, as if he knows it's a stupid thing to say even as he's saying it
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
that's the normalness trying to contain the hosebeast within
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
Santorum and his campaign manager confer privately moments later:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2RKmVqnNdw
― clemenza, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
His kids are all growed up now or something:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-waK_APFgTsk/TkbrAzzGCSI/AAAAAAAAIto/56p5FzqxLHA/s400/104.JPG
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-e6rdqhtvRTM/Tj3d4DzWhVI/AAAAAAAAIoQ/NC5c3g6jlvI/s400/053.JPG
From this, which includes this:
“Our prayers are paying off,” said 13-year-old Sarah Maria Santorum, whose father soon emerged from the throng, stood on a chair and addressed the crowd. …“Our prayers are paying off.”Understand that I wasn’t “interviewing” Sarah Santorum. We were just talking, and I made some remark about how huge the crowd was, and then she just said that sentence clear out of the blue. It made such an impression that I immediately jotted it down on a scrap of paper.Advanced Reporting Seminar, for you newbies: You get the best quotes when you just talk to people, instead of interrogating them in a confrontational manner. Be informal and friendly, put people at ease and listen to what they say. You’ll learn a lot more that way, whether you get a quote or not, and people will say real honest stuff rather than reciting talking points.But my memory is shaky and I’m bad with names, so when I sat down to write my column – in the deli department of the Hy-Vee grocery story, which has free WiFi – I wanted to make sure I had Sarah’s name and age right. And when I Googled her name, one of the results was that picture at the top of this post.Yeah, it’s her: The Santorum kid who gave me that quote was the same girl who cried so helplessly on national TV that night in 2006 during her dad’s concession speech. I’d forgotten all about that, until I saw the picture. Then I remembered how the video clip had been played over and over on the news, and also on late-night comedy shows while people mocked the way Sarah and her family cried. And I remembered my wife saying how bad she felt while watching that little girl, hugging her doll, and crying for the whole world to see.Amazing that I’d talked to her without recognizing her – a poised and cheerful young lady — as that same little girl. But even more amazing, I think she’s exactly right when she says, “our prayers are paying off.”As I write this, the folks on “Fox and Friends” are marveling at how Santorum went from single digits in the polls to being a serious contender in the space of just a few days. Say what you will, I call it a miracle.
“Our prayers are paying off.”
Understand that I wasn’t “interviewing” Sarah Santorum. We were just talking, and I made some remark about how huge the crowd was, and then she just said that sentence clear out of the blue. It made such an impression that I immediately jotted it down on a scrap of paper.
Advanced Reporting Seminar, for you newbies: You get the best quotes when you just talk to people, instead of interrogating them in a confrontational manner. Be informal and friendly, put people at ease and listen to what they say. You’ll learn a lot more that way, whether you get a quote or not, and people will say real honest stuff rather than reciting talking points.
But my memory is shaky and I’m bad with names, so when I sat down to write my column – in the deli department of the Hy-Vee grocery story, which has free WiFi – I wanted to make sure I had Sarah’s name and age right. And when I Googled her name, one of the results was that picture at the top of this post.
Yeah, it’s her: The Santorum kid who gave me that quote was the same girl who cried so helplessly on national TV that night in 2006 during her dad’s concession speech. I’d forgotten all about that, until I saw the picture. Then I remembered how the video clip had been played over and over on the news, and also on late-night comedy shows while people mocked the way Sarah and her family cried. And I remembered my wife saying how bad she felt while watching that little girl, hugging her doll, and crying for the whole world to see.
Amazing that I’d talked to her without recognizing her – a poised and cheerful young lady — as that same little girl. But even more amazing, I think she’s exactly right when she says, “our prayers are paying off.”
As I write this, the folks on “Fox and Friends” are marveling at how Santorum went from single digits in the polls to being a serious contender in the space of just a few days. Say what you will, I call it a miracle.
Aw, bless. The hangover'll be amusing.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
why is she not holding a doll w/matching red eagle santorum shirt, i am confuse
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
why is this child, the product of an immaculate conception, wearing mini shorts?
― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
Chance of Ron (or Rick), generally Mitt.
http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/iowa-weather-forecast-for-iowa-caucus-voting/
― clemenza, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
prays for sleet
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
Kid Rock, the Megadeth guy, Mitt's visceral appeal to the rock world deepens. (Contra Josh Marshall, my guess is that the net harm/good fallout from the controversial Nugent endorsement will be minimal.) Still pending: Wishbone Ash.
― clemenza, Friday, 2 March 2012 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
2012 republican presidential nominee IV: NEEDS MORE BOOING
there we go
― iatee, Friday, 2 March 2012 23:45 (twelve years ago) link