will tim tebow have a good nfl career?

it also can not be overstated how much simpler the college game is, they have limited time to practice, the coaches arent as good, and most of the players arent smart enough to deal w/the complexity of the pro game

you have definitely convinced me that the college game stinks.

except for the old UMiami teams. they could beat most NFL teams, i'm pretty sure. otherwise, shut down the NCAA.

btw, no joek, this college/pro discussion on this thread is excellent.

does nobody remember the michael lewis article? I feel like it was about matt cassel? or whoever else was brady's backup at the time

college is still generally more entertaining to watch because less-polished players lead to more interesting things happening xp

ive always found that gladwell article to be specious when it came to the football stuff

yeah im a p casual football fan (and dgaf abt college ball at all) but i think the broad strokes of his argument are p much true, and that college success isnt a great predictor of nfl success, although the way he ties it into the teaching things is p hamfisted and sorta distort the picture

college is still generally more entertaining to watch because less-polished players lead to more interesting things happening xp

― iatee, Saturday, November 19, 2011 4:15 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the wider variety of weird shit that happens in the college game is like the one thing it has going for it, other than that it p much blows imho

does nobody remember the michael lewis article? I feel like it was about matt cassel? or whoever else was brady's backup at the time

― iatee, Saturday, November 19, 2011 4:14 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

it sounds vaguely familiar, but i cant find it

college games also all 'matter' in a way that most regular season pro games don't, that adds something to it. losing any game fucks your whole season, whereas if the packers lose a few games this season, all that changes is the tv banter.

that is one of the horrible things abt the college game, get a playoffs u fucks

well yeah it comes w/ a price of having the stupidest postseason in all of sports

its also encourages teams to pack their schedules w/nobodies

college games also all 'matter' in a way that most regular season pro games don't, that adds something to it. losing any game fucks your whole season, whereas if the packers lose a few games this season, all that changes is the tv banter.

― iatee, Saturday, November 19, 2011 4:30 PM (34 minutes ago)

only for like 10 teams tho

i wonder if john elway is kicking himself for allowing tebow and his shakey popgun arm to start. now -- through "smoke and mirrors" that won't yield long-term success -- tebow's helped denver win itself out of contention for a top-tier quarterback.

ugh malcolm gladwell :(((((

i do agree though that the scouts generally look at the wrong things, they love guys with "big arms" who can throw 50 yards downfield which is a throw they almost never have to make anyway. what's really important is reading defenses, knowing coverages, being able to adjust plays, and accuracy above all else, which is why guys like Rodgers, Manning, and Brady succeed where the "better athletes" will fail. the problem is that you never really know who's going to be able to adjust, IIRC nobody thought Cam Newton would have any success but it seems he'll be fine

there was an interesting column by a miami sportswriter, after a stanford loss, arguing that maybe andrew luck is overrated. i think the writer said luck looked like chad pennington with a stronger arm. that's . . . okay. not saying the writer is correct, just an interesting observation.

(this is based on the "scouts look at the wrong things" line).

almost all casual fans in this town, and 2/3rds of more serious fans, are on a first name basis with tim now.

i did learn on the radio today that to properly read his stats line, you have to throw out all of his runs, and treat them as "completed passes to himself." then his passing stats look more acceptable.

i just talked to tim today.

he tried to convert me.

lol xp

ive always found that gladwell article to be specious

i do agree though that the scouts generally look at the wrong things, they love guys with "big arms" who can throw 50 yards downfield which is a throw they almost never have to make anyway. what's really important is reading defenses, knowing coverages, being able to adjust plays, and accuracy above all else, which is why guys like Rodgers, Manning, and Brady succeed where the "better athletes" will fail. the problem is that you never really know who's going to be able to adjust, IIRC nobody thought Cam Newton would have any success but it seems he'll be fine

― frogbs, Sunday, November 20, 2011 12:53 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

eh a big arm is just one thing scouts love. Plenty of scouts hated Jamarcus, who had the biggest arm ever. also "big arm" can mean chunking it down field jeff george style but it can also mean zipping passes out to the flat.

big enough arm is all you need, which is to say a p big arm

there was an interesting column by a miami sportswriter, after a stanford loss, arguing that maybe andrew luck is overrated. i think the writer said luck looked like chad pennington with a stronger arm. that's . . . okay. not saying the writer is correct, just an interesting observation.

― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:56 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

(young) pennington w/a (much) stronger arm would be really good!

well if you can't stomach Tebow now, don't expect the hoohah to die down anytime soon as long as he approaches at least some level of mediocrity and his team keeps winning (regardless of whether he has anything to do with it).

Hell, the media and half the fans were STILL on Michael Vick's jock pre-dogfighting, and would explain away all of his faults. Granted that 1,000 yard season as a QB was pretty neato but he still had horrible accuracy issues and all you'd hear was still things like "YOU HAVE TO GAMEPLAN FOR VICK" or "YOU CAN'T MEASURE HIM WITH TODAY'S STATISTICS!"

he wasn't magical though

or miraculous

well don't worry guys i will spend all week if i have to summoning the spirit of Ty Detmer to enter Tebow's body by gametime

eh a big arm is just one thing scouts love. Plenty of scouts hated Jamarcus, who had the biggest arm ever. also "big arm" can mean chunking it down field jeff george style but it can also mean zipping passes out to the flat.

― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, November 19, 2011 8:09 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

otm

i do agree though that the scouts generally look at the wrong things, they love guys with "big arms" who can throw 50 yards downfield which is a throw they almost never have to make anyway.

arm strength isnt really about the 50 yard bomb, it's about driving the ball on the deep out or the 22 yard dig, it's about fitting balls into tiny spaces (pause) - it's absolutely a necessary part of a franchise QB's toolkit. QBs who can throw with serious velocity are prized for a good reason, and QBs who struggle to drive the ball will also struggle with running multidimensional passing games that can attack every level of a defense. you can certainly make do with guys who lack arm strength if they make up for it in other areas, but it requires that you run an offense suited to his limitations, which of course makes you easier to defend

^^

its hard to zip a pass thrown end over end #tebowtips

but it's not even that TT doesn't have a big arm as much as his release is visibly long and non-repeating? Like

like = dislike, I guess

http://letmejustsayit.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/noodle-arms.jpg

Tebowmania didn't even last as long as Fernandomainia.

well, until he wins the superbowl at least

guy in my office is arguing that tebow is a 'winner'

he is, demonstrably, a "chicken dinner"

I fully expect a 10-7 Bronco victory (with the Broncos 10 points coming on a pick-6 and a 60-yard FG)

You guys just don't UNDERSTAND Tebowmania. Clearly, he has to enter the playoffs in the shittiest fashion possible (getting blown out twice, then putting up 3 points at home)

http://www.celebathletes.com/sports_gossip/football/tim-tebow-is-a-ladies-man/
"Girls druel over Tim Tebow. That goes without saying, he is a super star athlete with fame, soon to be fortune, two national titles and he is strong as an ox. Well he made a visit to the House of Representatives yesterday and when the rumor that he was in the building passed, the women were in a cold sweet."

"druel"

boys ruel, girls druel, mercedes ruehl

those poor women, trapped in a cold sweet

while checking the spelling of ruehl's name i found this which is pretty classic:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/brooksdr/ruehl.htm

lol

Another Anonymous writes:

Mercedes, who is from Cuba...........and not far from Haiti..........where there is lots of "voodoo".........I think Mercedes was (or is) involved in VooDoo....... I'd bet a bundle she is involved in it...........and I don't know if that is a bad thing or what.........I do know one thing...........and that is..........I would never do anything to hurt another human being........and if one is using VooDoo to do evil..........that is NOT A GOOD THING.........even for revenge.................

I believe she is very dangerous in her power, and will use it to no good end....... she has no moralistic way about her...............she is evil........... I feel she has put a spell on me too.........I don't exactly understand all of this... but ever since I met her..........my life has been a living hell........

[Editor: The above passage is only 5% of the complete e-mail that I received. The writer also accused Ms. Ruehl of phone tapping, witchcraft and five years of harassment using the occult arts. Hmmmmmm. I'm not sure if this story supports my cause.]

M@ri$a?

i wonder if john elway is kicking himself for allowing tebow and his shakey popgun arm to start. now -- through "smoke and mirrors" that won't yield long-term success -- tebow's helped denver win itself out of contention for a top-tier quarterback.

― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:15 PM (4 months ago)

in his defense, do you think the broncs would have made as serious a play for ANY other qb but peyton?

sure

did they?