will tim tebow have a good nfl career?

tebow -- he just wins games

greatest season by a quarterback ever.

better season: tim tebow or aaron rogers?

who throws a better pass: tim tebow (broncos) or fred armisen (portlandia)?

i did not read this but at the same time i feel like its relevant http://theclassical.org/post/12980244535/tim-tebow-magical-white-person

Simmons: "It’s almost like Tebow is playing with a handicap, like he’s overcoming some sort of disability."

Haha

feels wrong to say, but bill simmons otm

http://i.imgur.com/5jZiE.png

is tim tebow the next john beck, is the better question. dare to dream.

actually he kinda nails it:

1. I love how he drives every NFL expert, every saber nerd and most talking heads and sports columnists insane. They can’t handle a world in which Tebow wins ugly and sports defy explanation. It throws their belief system into total flux. The venom/condescension/disbelief pours out of them. It’s awesome. I can’t get enough of it.

2. Along those same lines, how funny is it when announcers try to rationally announce his games, run out of ways to say, "Another terrible pass by Tebow," pretend there’s logic involved, then eventually give up and just start laughing when he comes through late? I listened to Tebow’s fourth-quarter comeback in the car last night — the radio announcers (Ian Eagle and someone else) literally didn’t know what to say. They were just giggling like school kids. How can you explain this? Has there ever been a player who couldn’t even be successfully announced? During last night’s final drive, Eagle became so excited about Tebow's bowling over a Jets defensive back that he actually said the words, " … just got a mouthful of Tim Tebow!!!!"

3. I have watched something like 1,200 quarterbacks play that position the same way, or relatively the same way. I have never, ever, not ever, seen anyone play quarterback like Tim Tebow plays the position. It’s constantly entertaining beyond the scrambling. You never know if he’s going to complete even the simplest 5-yard pass to a wide-open guy; by that same token, you’re never surprised when he hits someone 40 yards downfield on the fly. It’s almost like Tebow is playing with a handicap, like he’s overcoming some sort of disability. He’s willing himself to become a decent NFL quarterback despite massive odds against him. I love it. He’s like Rocky Balboa crossed with Strap from Hoosiers crossed with some sports movie QB in a film that hasn’t been made yet.

4. I can’t remember another non-superstar athlete generating more feedback from my readers these past few weeks. If it were Tiger, Kobe, Favre or whomever, it would make sense. But the QB of a 5-5 team who completes 45 percent of his passes? Before we get to my Week 11 Quick Picks, here’s a sampling just from last night and this morning.

there is a logic to it, it doesnt defy explanation, the broncos opponents have averaged ~15pts in tebows starts

God at work imo

there have even been other bad nfl quarterbacks that played like him

he passes to the scoreboard

if opposing teams had scored the nfl average 22pts in each of his starts he would be 1-4 instead of 4-1!

what are you, a saber nerd

the defense is playing well but i wonder how much of that has to do w/ the fact that the broncos never pass the ball

but they also dont move the ball much so id bet it m/l equals out

right i just mean i wonder if the PPG is a bit misleading

i don't know if he "nails it." my problem with tebow -- aside from a general hate for the florida gators and his pious attitude -- is that he throws an embarrassingly bad pass. it's ugly, almost painful, to watch. he might "be a winner," tho i think mostly he's catching defenses off-guard, but it's just horrible to watch.

what im thinking jordan is denver runs a lot so that would imply fewer possessions than an average game thereby depressing scoring, BUT what if because they suck they dont get many first downs so they actually do end up w/roughly an average number of possessions a game, would be curious to see these actual stats

it's possible

sportswriters continuing to ignore that he is an outspoken conservative pro life christian who mentions jesus at the start of every interview and TALKS TO GOD throughout the game shockah
say, maybe that's why people are so into him? onward xtian soldiers and all that

like whenever it IS mentioned, it's kind of like an "oh yeah btw" but it's at least 80% of the reason he's got america's attention right now instead of oh, andy dalton

well, that and the fact that he was widely considered THE GREATEST COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYER EVER. E-V-E-R

and yet, now, he is the WORST passer of any quarterback i've seen in the NFL.

well, that and the fact that he was widely considered THE GREATEST COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYER EVER. E-V-E-R

― Daniel, Esq., Friday, November 18, 2011 11:29 PM (10 minutes ago)

wait really?

there have even been other bad nfl quarterbacks that played like him

like who?

widely really might be pushing it

i mean, he was considered one of the best players ever, yes. but there was certainly no consensus.

i don't know if he "nails it." my problem with tebow -- aside from a general hate for the florida gators and his pious attitude -- is that he throws an embarrassingly bad pass. it's ugly, almost painful, to watch. he might "be a winner," tho i think mostly he's catching defenses off-guard, but it's just horrible to watch.

i think that's part of what makes him fun to watch!

sportswriters continuing to ignore that he is an outspoken conservative pro life christian who mentions jesus at the start of every interview and TALKS TO GOD throughout the game shockah
say, maybe that's why people are so into him? onward xtian soldiers and all that

yeah that's part of it but these last few games have been endlessly entertaining regardless
i mean i think that people just naturally root for shitty players with obvious flaws but maybe that's just me

defenses are going to scheme to him and shut down his current M.O. faster than they did to Michael Vick in 2001.

from there, he'll either A. work on his passing game and become an actual threat in the pocket, which will make scheming against him much more difficult, or B. he'll have plenty of time to learn the Tight End position

what would be awesome is if they give Orton some snaps too, say on 3rd and anything longer than 5

what would be awesome is if they give trade Orton some snaps too, say on 3rd and anything longer than 5 to a YMCA flag football squad

hey Vince Young was the greatest college player E-V-E-R fuiud

barry sanders is the best player in football history at any level

im just saying the "run, option, and occassional throw" plan could kinda work but I don't know if you can convert a 3rd and long that way

i guess what i'm saying is that i can imagine a successful system with a guy like Tebow taking snaps at QB but I would imagine you'd need a guy with a real arm and probably more talent up front

well, that and the fact that he was widely considered THE GREATEST COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYER EVER. E-V-E-R

― Daniel, Esq., Friday, November 18, 2011 11:29 PM

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wait really?

― mon/ seeya/ chi 2.0 (k3vin k.), Saturday, November 19, 2011

maybe "widely considered" is too strong. but yes. see, e.g., tebow greatest college player ever (about 3,550,000 results in 0.10 seconds

raises a more general, and serious, question for me. how is it that tebow was so good in college, playing in a tough league where many players move on to the NFL, and yet he now looks so inept at the mechanics of the quarterback position in the NFL? put differently, why wouldn't those SEC defenses, dotted with pro-prospects, expose tebow's technical shortcomings almost as well as NFL defenses?

i don't think you grasp the disparity in quality b/w college and pro

i guess i don't, in this context. yes, if florida was playing east idaho state every week, i'd easily see the disparity. but the defenses he faced week-in, week-out -- e.g., LSU; Alabama; Florida State; Auburn -- these are overstuffed with players that he'll be seeing week-in, week-out in NFL defenses. that's the part i don't get.

1. regardless which program most players dont make the pros
2. its all abt the schemes man, the complexity

yeah, i guess. i just checked alabama's 2010 NFL draft picks; it's a good list, but wouldn't by itself result in a jawdropping defense. but that, of course, doesn't consider the other alamaba defensive starters that weren't coming-out in the 2010 draft.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/kerry_byrne/03/22/tim.tebow/index.html

welcome to the wonderful world of college qb performance not projecting to the pros

yeah, really. so, despite the overwhelming statistical evidence favoring tebow's college numbers over payton and eli manning, tim couch, jamarcus russell and matt stafford:

it tells us that NFL talent evaluators are out of their freaking minds

And yet NFL evaluators, for some reason, aren't sold on Tebow. Couch and Russell are two bona fide NFL busts, even though pro football talent evaluators couldn't usher them into the league fast enough. Yet these same talent evaluators harbor grave doubts about the ability of the greatest and most efficient passer in SEC history to pass the ball at the next level.

Other executives seem obsessed by the trivia over Tebow's mechanics, while overlooking the rather irrefutable fact that he dominated college football like no player in memory and despite the fact that he was, by any objective measure, a much better passer than Couch, Russell, Stafford, and either of the Manning brothers.

so again: tim tebow will be the standard against which all future NFL quarterbacks will be judged.

Tebow was, by any measure, a better player, a better quarterback and, yes, a better passer than any of these No. 1 picks

lol

I love this tim tebow narrative, it's so lol, love watching the highlights, it's like watching a poorly designed slingshot

one big thing imho is in college receivers get open like really open on nearly every play in a way thats rare in the pros, in the pros youre throwing the ball into these really small short lived windows, like yr receivers often not open yet when you release the ball, so accuracy timing and ability to read the defense are all super important in the pros in a way thats never really tested in college

accuracy like aaron rogers has. that's a really good point. it's a skill that wouldn't be as valuable in college if receivers are constantly getting open.

feel like ability to read the defense, recognize that a receiver is gonna be open in one second for one second, is even more important