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I'm pretty bummed that there are like 10 separate articles that talk about steve jobs and washing machines, thanks for ruining my day markers

dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link

^^^^^^^

Mr. Que, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:03 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.02/jobs_pr.html

Design is not limited to fancy new gadgets. Our family just bought a new washing machine and dryer. We didn't have a very good one so we spent a little time looking at them. It turns out that the Americans make washers and dryers all wrong. The Europeans make them much better - but they take twice as long to do clothes! It turns out that they wash them with about a quarter as much water and your clothes end up with a lot less detergent on them. Most important, they don't trash your clothes. They use a lot less soap, a lot less water, but they come out much cleaner, much softer, and they last a lot longer.

We spent some time in our family talking about what's the trade-off we want to make. We ended up talking a lot about design, but also about the values of our family. Did we care most about getting our wash done in an hour versus an hour and a half? Or did we care most about our clothes feeling really soft and lasting longer? Did we care about using a quarter of the water? We spent about two weeks talking about this every night at the dinner table. We'd get around to that old washer-dryer discussion. And the talk was about design.

We ended up opting for these Miele appliances, made in Germany. They're too expensive, but that's just because nobody buys them in this country. They are really wonderfully made and one of the few products we've bought over the last few years that we're all really happy about. These guys really thought the process through. They did such a great job designing these washers and dryers. I got more thrill out of them than I have out of any piece of high tech in years.

markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:03 (twelve years ago) link

and yet he wore the same dumpy clothes his whole life

Mr. Que, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link

I don't know if you needed to link to that markers, everybody knows that miele washing machines are the best, it's common knowledge

dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:05 (twelve years ago) link

i thought japan made some kinda AI washing machines that would figure out how dirty you were gonna get next week or something

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 November 2011 16:10 (twelve years ago) link

that quote is from the february 1996 issue of wired

markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:11 (twelve years ago) link

maybe those weren't out then

markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link

so malcolm gladwell summarized a 1996 article for wired for a 2011 article for the nyer

dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:13 (twelve years ago) link

malcolm gladwell, ladies and gentlemen

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:22 (twelve years ago) link

miele do make the best washing machines. i should know.

caek, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:40 (twelve years ago) link

i'm not going to say why i should know, but trust me.

caek, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:40 (twelve years ago) link

That podcast is shit.

He comes close to the point -- acknowledges this is like a book about Einstein's life written for the layman, not a book about Einstein's theories, written for PhDs -- then goes "but waah it has none of the esoteric detail of his theories? Why didn't Isaacson study for a phd before writing this?"

stet, Friday, 18 November 2011 17:39 (twelve years ago) link

he spends about 20 minutes complaining that isaacson doesn't "get it" enough to know what was "really important," but gives NO examples of that, his biggest point, nor does he tell us what indeed was "really important." then he complains that at one point in the book he calls it apple computerS instead of apple computer.

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 18 November 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link

Gotta say this thing looks a lot more SanDisk than it does Macintosh.

ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnZrAPFjOaM

pplains, Friday, 18 November 2011 17:52 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnZrAPFjOaM

pplains, Friday, 18 November 2011 17:52 (twelve years ago) link

http://daringfireball.net/2011/11/getting_steve_jobs_wrong

markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link

http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/43

markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link

"so he could collect $50k from the nyer"

whaaaa!? for one article? they're being super stingy on the caption contest winners then.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 18 November 2011 20:38 (twelve years ago) link

5 words v. 5,000

Mr. Que, Friday, 18 November 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link

dont think even the nyer pays $10/word, even to malwell

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link

10 minutes into this second fucking podcast, and he still is saying "wasted opportunity" and insisting he's explaining it without explaining it in the least.

stet, Friday, 18 November 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link

argh i can't believe you could bring yourself to listen to the second one

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 18 November 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link

the pauses in all those podcasts that host dude hosts are just brutal

or like, the five-minute convo about whether to do a second ep at the end of the first

brutal

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 18 November 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link

also "wow so many of my fans agree with me, i am totally right".

i would pay moneys for a service that just did transcripts of podcasts so i don't have to sit through this ponderous waste. good radio is hard, people.

stet, Friday, 18 November 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link

lol, RIP podcasts 1998-2011

Mr. Que, Friday, 18 November 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link

the thing that I can't really understand is the amount of "cor, that Siracusa nailed it" adulation for this podcast. He's barely blu-tak'd it, and I say that as someone who didn't really like the Jobs bio. It's a pretty soft target, but he still misses it by a badly-paced mile.

stet, Friday, 18 November 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link

Bio was so good that I immediately bought Isaacson's Einstein bio.

Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 19 November 2011 11:54 (twelve years ago) link

Eric Alterman on Jobs' boorishness as a world citizen:

http://www.thenation.com/article/164499/agony-and-ecstasy-and-disgrace-steve-jobs

(Mike Daisey's 1-man show on Jobs intrigues me)

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 19 November 2011 14:11 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/files/2012/01/jobsdoll1-600x404.jpg

buzza, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 00:14 (twelve years ago) link

When the doll was first advertised, many Apple fans were disturbed by the level of detail, such as the pores on its forehead, the wrinkles under its eyes and the veins on its hands.

buzza, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 05:58 (twelve years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/YIDJh.jpg

dayo, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 12:33 (twelve years ago) link

What's morally repugnant in one country is accepted business practices in another, and companies take advantage of that."
NICHOLAS ASHFORD, a former chairman of the National Advisory Committee on Occupational Safety and Health, on the often harsh and dangerous conditions that laborers endure in Chinese factories where iPhones, iPads and other high-tech devices are assembled.

NY Times

curmudgeon, Thursday, 26 January 2012 15:08 (twelve years ago) link

Did they freeze his head like Waly Disney?

Lava lamp, Thursday, 26 January 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link

Er, Walt

Lava lamp, Thursday, 26 January 2012 15:11 (twelve years ago) link

where's waly 's head

quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Thursday, 26 January 2012 15:16 (twelve years ago) link

NICHOLAS ASHFORD, a former chairman of the National Advisory Committee on Occupational Safety and Health

You can make his name from the letters in his committee

Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 26 January 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link

Thanks, jaymc.

pplains, Thursday, 26 January 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

Since his name was brought up in this thread. Could appear on lots of other threads, too.

'This American Life' Retracts Show on Foxconn Working Conditions over Fabricated Claims

Back in January, popular radio show This American Life aired an episode dedicated to working conditions at Foxconn's factories in China, drawing heavily from Mike Daisey's theater monologue entitled "The Agony and Ecstasy of Steve Jobs". In the monologue, which has been a notable part of the push to address working conditions at Apple's suppliers, Daisey relates tales from his visit to China where he met with Foxconn workers.

In a remarkable reversal, This American Life has now announced that it is retracting its January broadcast of Daisey's content, citing a number of fabrications discovered in a follow-up investigation on his claims.

The China correspondent for the public radio show Marketplace tracked down the interpreter that Daisey hired when he visited Shenzhen China. The interpreter disputed much of what Daisey has been saying on stage and on our show. [...]

Daisey lied to me and to This American Life producer Brian Reed during the fact checking we did on the story, before it was broadcast. That doesn't excuse the fact that we never should've put this on the air. In the end, this was our mistake.
An accompanying press release relates a number of Daisey's claims that were shown to be false, from claims of having met workers injured by use n-hexane to an anecdote in which he described meeting a man who had had his hand mangled in equipment while producing the iPad and showing the man a functional iPad for the first time.

Daisey reportedly lied to This American Life's staff when asked for contact information for the interpreter he used during his travels, but once the interpreter was found through other means his story began to come apart.

For his part, Daisey acknowledges that some of the information he presented was not entirely truthful, arguing that his monologue was created for theater. Consequently, he agrees that it should not have been presented as journalism, although he stands behind the intent of his work.

I stand by my work. My show is a theatrical piece whose goal is to create a human connection between our gorgeous devices and the brutal circumstances from which they emerge. It uses a combination of fact, memoir, and dramatic license to tell its story, and I believe it does so with integrity. Certainly, the comprehensive investigations undertaken by The New York Times and a number of labor rights groups to document conditions in electronics manufacturing would seem to bear this out.

What I do is not journalism. The tools of the theater are not the same as the tools of journalism. For this reason, I regret that I allowed THIS AMERICAN LIFE to air an excerpt from my monologue. THIS AMERICAN LIFE is essentially a journalistic ­- not a theatrical ­- enterprise, and as such it operates under a different set of rules and expectations. But this is my only regret. I am proud that my work seems to have sparked a growing storm of attention and concern over the often appalling conditions under which many of the high-tech products we love so much are assembled in China.

This American Life is devoting the entirety of this week's episode to discussion of the fabrications present in the original report.

butvi wouls (Phil D.), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link

Dear Friends,

As you may have read by now, the radio program This American Life—which aired a segment of Mike Daisey’s theatre monologue The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs—has retracted the story due to what it calls fabrications in Mike’s tale. We wanted to let you know that The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs will run at Woolly Mammoth as planned from July 17-August 5, 2012.

curmudgeon, Monday, 19 March 2012 14:46 (twelve years ago) link

there's a big talk about this on the this american life c/d thread

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 19 March 2012 14:50 (twelve years ago) link

http://l.yimg.com/cv/ae/us/audience/120319/300x250lkledw9xw.jpg

buzza, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 07:09 (twelve years ago) link

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