did i just blow your minds or
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 18 November 2011 15:30 (twelve years ago) link
http://fun.resplace.net/Emoticons/Uncategorized/Amazed.gif
― markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
that malcolm gladwell piece was 100% horrible
― Mr. Que, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:41 (twelve years ago) link
^^ it was like a book report
― dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
like, he was working off the same facts from the biography that were AVAILABLE TO EVERY OTHER SINGLE PERSON WHO HAD READ THE BIOGRAPHY. + some bullshit half-baked tweaked shit about tweakers.
― dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
did you read the biography
― markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
+ some bullshit half-baked tweaked shit about tweakers.
the other stuff where jobs yelled at everyone around him and stole ideas i knew about. . . the tweaker stuff was half baked, even for gladwell
― Mr. Que, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
if you read the biography and want to hear someone smart talk about it, this is good: http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/42
part two drops later today
― markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
i listened to that and it was not very good. computer people don't know how to talk on air. so many awkward gaps. and the interviewer kept asking stupid questions.
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 18 November 2011 15:48 (twelve years ago) link
and the guy's main points were completely unsupported, and then he went on to do some really trivial nitpicking.
dogg, dayo... thats what book reviews in the nyer basically are
― max, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
the tweaker stuff is basically right but havent people been saying that about jobs for like... decades now?
it wasn't a book review tho, it was "annals of technology"
― Mr. Que, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
i havent read this article but im assuming "tweaker" isnt referring to meth?
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 18 November 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
I read the nyer for the articles, man
― dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
oh i thought it was in the critics section
― max, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:51 (twelve years ago) link
heres the article slock
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/11/14/111114fa_fact_gladwell
― Mr. Que, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
I meant 'book report' in the sense that it was just a summarization of facts - what irked me was that gladwell was trying to push his specific interpretation of those facts as if they were something revelatory and not at all self-evident from the biography when it was basically just what every single other review of the book out there was saying
like he was trying to pass it off as some brilliant insight that he garnered from his own investigative sleuthing and in depth research when really he got the book on release date same as everybody else and was busting ass to get this article out so he could collect $50k from the nyer, because he's maclolm gladwell
― dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
at least he may have stopped pretending to be a scientist
― ooh i love my loaf n jug! (silby), Friday, 18 November 2011 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
xp he didn't even tell us which washing machine steve ended up getting.
― Quoth the raven "Nevermind" (ledge), Friday, 18 November 2011 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
"We ended up opting for these Miele appliances, made in Germany."
― markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
markers do you have that page bookmarked
― dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=steve+jobs+german+washing+machine
― markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
its pretty well known that miele makes the best washing machines
― max, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
you could ask any person on the street
― dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
yeah its basically common knowledge
I'm pretty bummed that there are like 10 separate articles that talk about steve jobs and washing machines, thanks for ruining my day markers
― dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
^^^^^^^
― Mr. Que, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:03 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.02/jobs_pr.html
Design is not limited to fancy new gadgets. Our family just bought a new washing machine and dryer. We didn't have a very good one so we spent a little time looking at them. It turns out that the Americans make washers and dryers all wrong. The Europeans make them much better - but they take twice as long to do clothes! It turns out that they wash them with about a quarter as much water and your clothes end up with a lot less detergent on them. Most important, they don't trash your clothes. They use a lot less soap, a lot less water, but they come out much cleaner, much softer, and they last a lot longer.We spent some time in our family talking about what's the trade-off we want to make. We ended up talking a lot about design, but also about the values of our family. Did we care most about getting our wash done in an hour versus an hour and a half? Or did we care most about our clothes feeling really soft and lasting longer? Did we care about using a quarter of the water? We spent about two weeks talking about this every night at the dinner table. We'd get around to that old washer-dryer discussion. And the talk was about design.We ended up opting for these Miele appliances, made in Germany. They're too expensive, but that's just because nobody buys them in this country. They are really wonderfully made and one of the few products we've bought over the last few years that we're all really happy about. These guys really thought the process through. They did such a great job designing these washers and dryers. I got more thrill out of them than I have out of any piece of high tech in years.
We spent some time in our family talking about what's the trade-off we want to make. We ended up talking a lot about design, but also about the values of our family. Did we care most about getting our wash done in an hour versus an hour and a half? Or did we care most about our clothes feeling really soft and lasting longer? Did we care about using a quarter of the water? We spent about two weeks talking about this every night at the dinner table. We'd get around to that old washer-dryer discussion. And the talk was about design.
We ended up opting for these Miele appliances, made in Germany. They're too expensive, but that's just because nobody buys them in this country. They are really wonderfully made and one of the few products we've bought over the last few years that we're all really happy about. These guys really thought the process through. They did such a great job designing these washers and dryers. I got more thrill out of them than I have out of any piece of high tech in years.
― markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:03 (twelve years ago) link
and yet he wore the same dumpy clothes his whole life
― Mr. Que, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know if you needed to link to that markers, everybody knows that miele washing machines are the best, it's common knowledge
― dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
i thought japan made some kinda AI washing machines that would figure out how dirty you were gonna get next week or something
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 November 2011 16:10 (twelve years ago) link
that quote is from the february 1996 issue of wired
― markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
maybe those weren't out then
― markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
so malcolm gladwell summarized a 1996 article for wired for a 2011 article for the nyer
― dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
malcolm gladwell, ladies and gentlemen
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
miele do make the best washing machines. i should know.
― caek, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not going to say why i should know, but trust me.
http://vthumb.ak.fbcdn.net/hvthumb-ak-snc6/158168_1437091808678_1437089648624_38294_863_t.jpg
― dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:42 (twelve years ago) link
That podcast is shit.
He comes close to the point -- acknowledges this is like a book about Einstein's life written for the layman, not a book about Einstein's theories, written for PhDs -- then goes "but waah it has none of the esoteric detail of his theories? Why didn't Isaacson study for a phd before writing this?"
― stet, Friday, 18 November 2011 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
he spends about 20 minutes complaining that isaacson doesn't "get it" enough to know what was "really important," but gives NO examples of that, his biggest point, nor does he tell us what indeed was "really important." then he complains that at one point in the book he calls it apple computerS instead of apple computer.
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 18 November 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
Gotta say this thing looks a lot more SanDisk than it does Macintosh.
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnZrAPFjOaM
― pplains, Friday, 18 November 2011 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnZrAPFjOaM
http://daringfireball.net/2011/11/getting_steve_jobs_wrong
― markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/43
― markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
"so he could collect $50k from the nyer"
whaaaa!? for one article? they're being super stingy on the caption contest winners then.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 18 November 2011 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
5 words v. 5,000
― Mr. Que, Friday, 18 November 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
dont think even the nyer pays $10/word, even to malwell
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
10 minutes into this second fucking podcast, and he still is saying "wasted opportunity" and insisting he's explaining it without explaining it in the least.
― stet, Friday, 18 November 2011 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
argh i can't believe you could bring yourself to listen to the second one
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 18 November 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link