generation limbo: 20-somethings today, debt, unemployment, the questionable value of a college education

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I dont want yr gf I am sure she is nice tho

iatee, Thursday, 17 November 2011 16:55 (eight years ago) link

you cant have her, anyway

max, Thursday, 17 November 2011 16:55 (eight years ago) link

we could trade?

iatee, Thursday, 17 November 2011 16:56 (eight years ago) link

lol like i would trade a nyc girlfriend for a NEW HAVEN one

max, Thursday, 17 November 2011 17:00 (eight years ago) link

yeah...it's a pretty crappy trade you basically have to half live in new haven, going again today

her apt is a lot nicer and cleaner than mine tho, so it's not all bad

iatee, Thursday, 17 November 2011 17:04 (eight years ago) link

haha no i mean, not judging that dude at all, but the way he says "it's like i'm paying rent...... to myself!!" it sounds as though he thinks he's discovered some magic secret thing

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 17 November 2011 18:12 (eight years ago) link

I crashed with my parents for about 4 or 5 months post-college. No big deal there.

mh, Thursday, 17 November 2011 19:04 (eight years ago) link

i left home when i was 17 and went back a year later for six weeks and then got thrown out with my younger sister. we moved into a flat and quit university and went on the dole and sat around bitching about 'them' for hours on end. most days we wore these full-length, lace-collared, high-necked, floral-sprigged, port-stained, cigarette-singed brushed cotton nighties that our mother had given us for christmas the year before. we were too tired to get dressed until almost evening and also we were scruffs. audience feedback soon taught us to mix some humour and self-deprecation in with the pathos and the bitterness, and to hide our genuine deep sorrow and anxiety. any story featuring getting hit with a snorkel was a guaranteed crowd pleaser; i think the crowd never grasped how much pain a snorkel can inflict upon a teenage girl.

estela, Friday, 18 November 2011 00:49 (eight years ago) link

I was wallowing in a depth of sorrow until the inexplicable snorkel reference, then questioned whether I was allowed a moment of levity or if it was a bizarre irony that an instrument of pain should be so ridiculous

mh, Friday, 18 November 2011 04:12 (eight years ago) link

of course it's allowed, we were enjoying ourselves immensely, free at last and holding court in our grimy nightgowns.

estela, Friday, 18 November 2011 05:46 (eight years ago) link

what is a snorkel?

dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 11:13 (eight years ago) link

estela that is a beautiful post

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 November 2011 11:23 (eight years ago) link

xp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u70xf4i1lgg

questino (seandalai), Friday, 18 November 2011 11:24 (eight years ago) link

what is a google xx-p

mh, Friday, 18 November 2011 14:53 (eight years ago) link

I know a snorkel is something you use to breathe underwater, was just wondering if it had any other meaning.

dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:34 (eight years ago) link

it is also something you use to beat your recalcitrant daughters

Much Ado About Nuttin (DJP), Friday, 18 November 2011 15:34 (eight years ago) link

it's also something whiney gives to his more fortunate victims

dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:35 (eight years ago) link

lol

for accuracy's sake, as much as i don't like people hitting their children, 'beat' in this case is somewhat over-egging the pudding.

estela, Saturday, 19 November 2011 01:02 (eight years ago) link

xp thank you tracer

estela, Saturday, 19 November 2011 01:04 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.epi.org/blog/unpaid-internships-economic-mobility/

iatee, Friday, 6 January 2012 15:26 (seven years ago) link

http://www.insidehighered.com/views/2012/01/05/essay-new-approach-defend-value-humanities

talks a good talk but not seeing a lot of WANTED: ENGLISH MAJORS job ads, maybe I'm not looking in the right places

bob loblaw people (dayo), Saturday, 7 January 2012 01:48 (seven years ago) link

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/01/09/010912-news-college-costs-1-5/

iatee, Monday, 9 January 2012 19:01 (seven years ago) link

Back in the days of yore, before Bangalore, my mad english major skillz made me a good living as a technical writer. Or maybe is was my technical skillz that did it. Any way, it was one or the other.

Aimless, Monday, 9 January 2012 19:22 (seven years ago) link

well, you also weren't a hindoo

gnome rocognise gnome (remy bean), Monday, 9 January 2012 19:26 (seven years ago) link

nay, nor no vindaloo-sot, neither

Aimless, Monday, 9 January 2012 19:27 (seven years ago) link

Not very insightful or newsworthy imo, the 1% thing is kind of just a hook. Who isn't aware that Harvard et al are full of high-functioning super-keen workaholic children of upper-middle class to upper-class parents? The reason that demographics at elite universities are a demographic issue is not because the top 20 US colleges provide anything like a standard deviation better education than the next 200 colleges; it's the (alleged) resulting insularity of the social networks that develop at those schools. Really tho I suspect that whatever outcome disparity exists between people with BAs from Harvard vs. SUNY Stony Brook—a world-class university according to the usual rankers—looks a lot less significant when you compare students with similar pre-college backgrounds.

tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Monday, 23 January 2012 05:54 (seven years ago) link

Not very insightful or newsworthy imo

yeah p much

i was a preteen blogger (Lamp), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 00:26 (seven years ago) link

i do love that xp

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 02:37 (seven years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/13/opinion/sunday/the-entrepreneurial-generation.html?pagewanted=all

did this ever get mentioned on ILX? I see some truth to the entrepreneurial spirit yada yada yada, but I don't see it as commercialism and complete lack of rebellion and dissent, I think it's about trying to establish a life outside of the failed system of corporate capitalism, even if it's just a sideline to the job that pays your bills.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 26 January 2012 22:16 (seven years ago) link

yeah we talked about it somewhere. maybe this thread. I made fun of the writer and then dyao said 'no he's cool' and now my gf really likes him because he writes about jane austen and h8ing academia.

iatee, Thursday, 26 January 2012 23:05 (seven years ago) link

dyao said 'no he's cool' (because he had him as a college prof)*

iatee, Thursday, 26 January 2012 23:05 (seven years ago) link

but I agree w/ your general assessment

iatee, Thursday, 26 January 2012 23:08 (seven years ago) link

he is my favourite academia hater

caek, Thursday, 26 January 2012 23:37 (seven years ago) link

yeah we talked about it somewhere. maybe this thread. I made fun of the writer and then dyao said 'no he's cool' and now my gf really likes him because he writes about jane austen and h8ing academia.

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i have not read that article but your gf otm

horseshoe, Friday, 27 January 2012 04:06 (seven years ago) link

she got her mom his book for xmas!

iatee, Friday, 27 January 2012 04:09 (seven years ago) link

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2094921_2094923_2105257,00.html

its like you can't even make it as an indie rock band anymore

keep working bb, http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif

dave cool, Friday, 27 January 2012 04:11 (seven years ago) link

third thread that's been posted in

iatee, Friday, 27 January 2012 04:13 (seven years ago) link

think maybe that belongs in quiddities and agonies

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 27 January 2012 04:14 (seven years ago) link

no it belongs in

hell

try again, fascist (Matt P), Friday, 27 January 2012 04:20 (seven years ago) link

Deresiewicz follows up on that nyt piece

http://theamericanscholar.org/generational-conflict/

caek, Sunday, 29 January 2012 11:21 (seven years ago) link

I don't think that stanford anecdote is very revealing as the stanford student body isn't very representative of the generation or even the college-attending generation. like, I'd imagine the numbers would be a lot different at cal-state sacramento. it can be dangerous to make assumptions based on yr experience teaching at Yale or living in Portland. etc.

iatee, Sunday, 29 January 2012 19:47 (seven years ago) link

that's the knee-jerk response when people start ~talking~ about mild reforms. cf health care

iatee, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 14:37 (seven years ago) link

A real education policy would ban anaphora on the internet.

tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 15:39 (seven years ago) link

"One, for a small East Bay nonprofit, drew several hundred applications. The other, for the office of the Speaker of the California State Assembly—the second-most-powerful person in the eighth-largest economy on the planet—drew three."

Presumably people rationally calculated that at the small East Bay nonprofit there would be fewer layers between them and decision-makers and that they would get the kind of real-world experience with civic issues that people like WD constantly berate elite college students for not having. And that this was preferable to making coffee for the speaker of the assembly. I'm not sure this calculation is correct, by the way! But I'm sure it doesn't have to do with some kind of narcissistic entitlement on the part of Stanford students.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:16 (seven years ago) link

it's just such a weird thing to take in isolation - like, is your argument that stanford students don't get involved enough in gov't? cause I'm sure that overall they're well represented in the offices of politicians across the country.

iatee, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 16:46 (seven years ago) link

oh man charles murray's 'coming apart: the state of white america' is just... the actual worst. im like 40 pages in and furious

Lamp, Saturday, 4 February 2012 07:52 (seven years ago) link


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