this is a stupid debate and I have nothing invested in it, you guys can argue w/ the dictionary
― iatee, Monday, 14 November 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
iatee i'm not trying to change how people use a word i'm just saying it's glib to say "rape is a type of sex" and then insist that anyone saying "wait hold on there you can't just ignore a bunch of stuff by deferring to your made-up typology" is playing semantics games.
the oed says:
sex1 (chiefly with reference to people) sexual activity, including specifically sexual intercourse: he enjoyed talking about sex she didn’t want to have sex with him[in singular] euphemistic a person’s genitals.
rape1 the crime, typically committed by a man, of forcing another person to have sexual intercourse with him without their consent and against their will, especially by the threat or use of violence against them: he denied two charges of attempted rape he had committed at least two rapesliterary the abduction of a woman, especially for the purpose of having sexual intercourse with her: the Rape of the Sabine Women2 the wanton destruction or spoiling of a place or area: the rape of the Russian countryside
sex is "sexual activity, including specifically sexual intercourse." could be (literally) anything under the sun. hence "sexy." you know it when you see it. rape is a "crime" first and foremost. it does involve sexual intercourse (though as elmo points out it doesn't have to, legally speaking), but that is not above the other elements in its definition! rape isn't even a highly qualified instance of sex something, because force and non-consensuality "happen" before or along with the sex and make rape the specific thing that it is.
i mean, you can say what you want and argue that people don't think this way, what's the point when it gets the idea across, etc, but you can't back it up by pointing to the dictionary (which doesn't say much about the relationships between words, by the way) and then appealing to your received-wisdom-typology, which is being made because American culture has a bizarre relationship with sexuality and is more frightened of their own bodies than they are of killing other people. xposts
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Monday, 14 November 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
oh look, there's the dictionary
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Monday, 14 November 2011 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
this isnt really "semantics games" its "ontology games"
― max, Monday, 14 November 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
y'all's games suck
― Kerm, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 00:16 (twelve years ago) link
the thing that especially bothers me about "sex is a type of rape" -- which, btw, is also infuriating for its pointless & wrongheaded point-scoring pedantry and fuck you again for that -- is that it classes "rape" alongside other types of sexual activity -- the result being that whether you actually intend it or not, iatee, it puts it on a taxonomic level where it could be interchanged with other types of sex. and that's just stupid and ridiculous! like, okay, over here we have oral sex, anal sex, vaginal intercourse, fisting, pegging, dirty sanchez, whatever... and then rape? no.
the former are indeed "types of sex", and they describe the mechanics of the sexual act. and while "rape" necessarily involves sexual activity, it does NOT describe the mechanics of the act, only the use of coercion / the absence of consent. any of those "types" of sex can be nonsexual. they can all be performed as rape.
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 00:19 (twelve years ago) link
can be nonconsensual, i mean
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 00:20 (twelve years ago) link
Guys, i'm saying this respectfully: take it to a new thread maybe?
― Don't attack when he is black. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 00:30 (twelve years ago) link
hahaha yes please someone start a "definition of rape" thread -- that REALLY needs to happen
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 November 2011 00:32 (twelve years ago) link
J4gger back
the thing that especially bothers me about "sex is a type of rape" -- which, btw, is also infuriating for its pointless & wrongheaded point-scoring pedantry and fuck you again for that -- is that it classes "rape" alongside other types of sexual activity -- the result being that whether you actually intend it or not, iatee, it puts it on a taxonomic level where it could be interchanged with other types of sex. and that's just stupid and ridiculous! like, okay, over here we have oral sex, anal sex, vaginal intercourse, fisting, pegging, dirty sanchez, whatever... and then rape? no.the former are indeed "types of sex", and they describe the mechanics of the sexual act. and while "rape" necessarily involves sexual activity, it does NOT describe the mechanics of the act, only the use of coercion / the absence of consent. any of those "types" of sex can be nonsexual. they can all be performed as rape. --i think this is serious (elmo argonaut)
the former are indeed "types of sex", and they describe the mechanics of the sexual act. and while "rape" necessarily involves sexual activity, it does NOT describe the mechanics of the act, only the use of coercion / the absence of consent. any of those "types" of sex can be nonsexual. they can all be performed as rape. --i think this is serious (elmo argonaut)
Moves like J4gger
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:21 (twelve years ago) link
idk what that means, but w/e
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
there are a shitload of sexual actions, or sex acts, that aren't consensual
kind of like there are kinds of so many things that are illegal. just because you can drive on the sidewalk, while intoxicated, doesn't mean it's part of "driving a car"
Trying to pretend that "sex" only works in a positive context or in the context of normativity kills the word more than saying that rape is a form of sex imo
― mh, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 02:40 (twelve years ago) link
idk if i get what you're saying about how it "kills the word?"
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 03:58 (twelve years ago) link
but whatever, i think we should look back onto the original context -- iatee's point is that raping children is "a type of sex", so it's perfectly okay to call the sandusky case a "sex scandal" in the news like it's in any way comparable or equivalent to a senator caught with a prostitute
fuck that
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 04:00 (twelve years ago) link
unless you manage to turn this debate into something about suburban sprawl I am prob not gonna stick around, just fyi
― iatee, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 04:07 (twelve years ago) link
like I said I really don't care that much about arguing about the meaning of one particular word, you win, whatever
yeah, not a sex scandal in any normal sense of the term
kind of feel dirty for not noticing that was in the original context
― mh, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 04:26 (twelve years ago) link
back to yr regularly scheduled programming
http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/pictures/sex-doll-manufacturing-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html
― dayo, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 13:08 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaXltVOt0Hw
― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 13 January 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
lol I remember that from my childhood
The thing she is eating was - back then - called a "nigger kiss" btw. They changed the name not too many years ago, I'm sure it's mentioned in one of the racist or ronaldinho bottle opener threads
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 13 January 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
THey were called either that or Moors Heads (:/) in Germany but they changed the names too. Can't remember what they're called now. What I do know is that they're freakin' delicious.
― ENBB, Saturday, 14 January 2012 04:13 (twelve years ago) link
They were first only known under the names Mohrenkopf ("Moor's Head") or Negerkuss ("Negro's Kiss"), but most companies changed the official product-name in the 1980s[citation needed] to the more neutral Schokokuss ("Chocolate Kiss"), Schaumkuss ("Foam Kiss") or to brand-specific names (the most famous brand being Dickmann's). In the South and the West of Germany they are still commonly known as Mohrenkopf. In Austria they are referred to as Schwedehttp://kkkorner.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/nbomb5.jpg?w=350&h=259en ("Swedish bombs").
― ENBB, Saturday, 14 January 2012 04:16 (twelve years ago) link
woah wtf is that?
ahahaha mystery autoreplace strikes again!
― this is funny u bitter dork (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 14 January 2012 04:24 (twelve years ago) link
hilarious.
― ⚓ (gr8080), Saturday, 14 January 2012 04:29 (twelve years ago) link
Yes!
― this is funny u bitter dork (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 14 January 2012 04:30 (twelve years ago) link
i lold
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 14 January 2012 05:14 (twelve years ago) link
HA
― Aerosol, Saturday, 14 January 2012 05:19 (twelve years ago) link
http://kkkorner.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/nbomb5.jpg?w=350&h=259
― bob loblaw people (dayo), Saturday, 14 January 2012 12:03 (twelve years ago) link
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2005.05797.x/full
― Schleimpilz im Labyrinth (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 16 January 2012 14:11 (twelve years ago) link
Unfortunately, this doesn’t display the results clearly enough
― pat methamphetamine (diamonddave85), Monday, 16 January 2012 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
lmao i have had a urologist's conference as a client before
― ⚓ (gr8080), Monday, 16 January 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.gq.com/news-politics/newsmakers/201201/luis-mijangos-hacker-webcam-virus-internet?printable
― this is funny u bitter dork (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 January 2012 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEbRkTNKEPI
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Friday, 20 January 2012 11:46 (twelve years ago) link
vitual hotties
― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 20 January 2012 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
irl lol
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 21 January 2012 05:04 (twelve years ago) link
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2012/01/florida_man_allegedly_ate_a_mu.php
― ENBB, Saturday, 28 January 2012 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
CrimeFlorida Man Allegedly Ate a Murdered Man's Brain, Said It Tasted Like "Women's Come"
http://i.imgur.com/KkwcK.gif
― is it hrostep? (cozen), Sunday, 29 January 2012 22:53 (twelve years ago) link
o___O
― J0rdan S., Monday, 30 January 2012 03:19 (twelve years ago) link
that was actually maybe the best way he coud have landed, broken ribs notwithstanding
― SELF DEPORTATION (Z S), Monday, 30 January 2012 03:38 (twelve years ago) link
amazing
― Wie wol ich bin der vogel has noch den erfret mich das (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 January 2012 03:44 (twelve years ago) link
looks faek with the two guys in the second shot just standing there while a guy plummets from above in front of em
― kinder, Monday, 30 January 2012 03:56 (twelve years ago) link
oh they're in the first shot watching... still odd they wouldn't go to his aid though!
― kinder, Monday, 30 January 2012 03:58 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it's slightly suspicious that they don't move AT ALL
― J0rdan S., Monday, 30 January 2012 04:01 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-8Sm6IvwgA
― Wie wol ich bin der vogel has noch den erfret mich das (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 January 2012 04:07 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.findhisporn.com/
o_O
― ENBB, Monday, 30 January 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
Perfect for: Boyfriends Husbands Kids
*voms*
― ENBB, Monday, 30 January 2012 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
When should I use it?If you feel he's hiding something then now is probably a good time.
― Wie wol ich bin der vogel has noch den erfret mich das (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 January 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
www.findherporn.com - still available!
― ENBB, Monday, 30 January 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link