Smashing Pumpkins: Fresh Fruit or Rotten Veg?

Haha!

when i saw them last year, it was a decent show, with Billy on his best behavior and a handful of peak era songs ("Hummer" sounded great that night), but that new kid on drums is just not up to filling Jimmy's shoes. i was just talking to a friend who saw them more recently and it sounded like a bit more of a drag, only like three big singles from the old days.

Recent setlists look pretty good: http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-smashing-pumpkins/2011/o2-apollo-manchester-manchester-england-53d18721.html

I'm well up for hearing old but non-singles tracks like Frail & Bedazzled, Silverfuck, Thru The Eyes Of Ruby and such.

yeah holy shit that setlist looks great

I actually have to agree when I start thinking about those older songs. I was so pleased with the older album tracks & oddities that they played in 2008. I remember Drown being rather great.

yeah i heard "Drown" on the radio yesterday and i never get tired of that song

actually looking at the setlist from the show my friend saw they are playing a lot of great oldies, he just doesn't know their albums well enough to recognize all of them.

still, listening to their new drummer try to play stuff like "Cherub Rock" is just kinda sad.

Apparently the sets are >2hrs, so hoping for some good jamming on Silverfuck et al.

Manchester videos sound decent - tagging the 'I Am One' riff onto the end of 'Thru The Eyes Of Ruby' is cool...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynaaopfBdzI

OK banter at the start of the encore even, though apparently it was literally the only time anyone spoke at all... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bjvbLJ2w1U

locutus of corg was very chatty at the show i saw, like he was really trying to prove he had a sense of humor

Those first three Pumpkins albums are absolutely superb, IMO. I can't take 'Adore' and 'MACHINA' in one sitting, but there's more than a handful of songs that I love on each. I haven't heard anything that Corgan has done since resurrecting the Pumpkins name, though - the Zwan album was the last thing he was responsible for that I purchased, which I thought had its moments but very rarely gets dug out for a spin.

It was actually really great! I had a brilliant time!

http://krakow.zenfolio.com/img/s11/v36/p883719806-3.jpg

Great! :)

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EMI Label Services/Caroline Distribution has announced that it has entered into an exclusive agreement with Martha’s Music to release the highly anticipated album from THE SMASHING PUMPKINS entitled OCEANIA on June 19th, 2012. The agreement covers the world excluding Canada, Brazil and Australia.

Produced by THE SMASHING PUMPKINS’ frontman Billy Corgan, OCEANIA is an intense and dynamic offering that will appeal to new and existing fans of THE SMASHING PUMPKINS alike. OCEANIA, the band’s 7th studio record, is “an album within an album,” part of their 44-song work-in-progress TEARGARDEN BY KALEIDYSCOPE.

Peter Katsis, manager of SMASHING PUMPKINS for Prospect Park, added: “The Smashing Pumpkins created Oceania as an album experience, and it is intended for the process of the release to follow a path of inclusion, so that best efforts are made for all the fans hear it at the same time as press or radio. We were excited to find partners in EMI Label Services that were equally passionate about the plan for the album release as well as being huge fans of the Pumpkins.”

in other words, this is likely a steaming pile of shit and we don't want to let reviews come out ahead of release date

lmao I didn't realize his new band was just a bunch of younger doppelgangers of the old Pumpkins

p much

except the chamberlain looking dude is the guitarist

oh my gawd

While I enjoyed seeing them live last year, I cannot recall any of the new songs in the slightest and I can't help but be very pessimistic about this new album.

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I'd listen to the nu-Pumpkins if they sounded like Tear Garden.

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I've heard many reports that this thing is actually really good and their best since Adore. Which, y'know, very low bar, but its enough to have me interested again.

It *sounds* great, better than they have in a while, but the songs aren't very striking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jelyGb0luj8

Possibly my favourite Simpsons line ever.

Did this story get posted somewhere already?
http://www.factmag.com/2012/06/12/slashing-pumpkins-billy-corgan-threatens-to-piss-on-radiohead/

” I can’t think of any people outside of Weird Al Yankovic who have both embraced and pissed on Rock more than I have. Obviously there’s a level of reverence, but there’s also a level of intelligence to even know what to piss on. ‘Cause I’m not pissing on Rainbow. I’m not pissing on Deep Purple. But I’ll piss on fuckin’ Radiohead, because of all this pomposity. This value system that says Jonny Greenwood is more valuable than Ritchie Blackmore. Not in the world I grew up in, buddy. Not in the world I grew up in"

Billy Corgan otm, at least wrt to Greenwood and Blackmore.

Billy Corgan, enemy of pomposity.

yeah I am having problems wrapping my head around that

Yeah, that part is pretty o_O but when have we ever expected this fuckin' guy to have a decent impression of his own worth.

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http://www.factmag.com/2012/06/12/slashing-pumpkins-billy-corgan-argues-with-entity-that-is-not-arguing-back-calls-nonlistening-entity-buddy/

"Not in the world I grew up in, buddy. Not in the world I grew up in"

gonna guess that the recording of this has Corgan's voice getting progressively more distant and is immediately followed by the sound of a pub's lavatory door closing

I don't even know why he is comparing the two bands. Did he buy In Rainbows expecting a cover version of I Surrender?

LoL this thread is hilarious. This band is hilarious.

Last time i saw Smashing Pumpkins they were playing on the TV at some bar, and in-between some songs a bunch of wrestlers came out on stage to 'stop the show' and the Pumpkins had to fight back or something. This lame skit lasted maybe 5 mins or so and then the wrestlers left the stage and they went back into playing more music.

Also is that the album cover? It looks like it was randomly generated by myspace or something.

Does Billy Corgan not realise that if Jonny Greenwood ducks and he accidentally pees on Phil Selway instead, he'll have to endure years of Splashing Drumskins taunts?

xxp: I feel like this is Corgan's game though, right? playing the heel?

Look, if Corgan does actually piss on Radiohead (and let's hope that this will happen), I will pay good cash money on "Oceania". Not that I'd play it or anything.

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And then we have

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/column/159706-in-defense-of-billy-corgans-foray-into-professional-wrestling/

http://images.popmatters.com/news_art/m/mcguire-corganwrestling-splsh.jpg

(The picture is worth more than the article, which appears to have been written by a mummy.)

1) Weird Al >>>>> Billy Corgan
2) Maybe he was confusing In Rainbows and Rainbow? Corgan was all, huh, I thought Blackmore was in Rainbow, but this doesn't sound like him at all. And then he felt really foolish so lashed out.

Mayonnaise is probably the best Smashing Pumpkins song.

Mayonnaise is probably the best Smashing Pumpkins song.

in what world are Deep Purple and Rainbow NOT pompous

I mean, I agree with him that Blackmore is way more interesting/better than Johnny Greenwood but uh

Those wrestling medals/belts look weirdly like customised party cakes

I don't even know why he is comparing the two bands. Did he buy In Rainbows expecting a cover version of I Surrender?

― Zaireeka Badu (NickB), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 11:32

awesome.

i get what he's saying, but there are a lot more effective ways to voice your displeasure with guitar rock falling out of fashion. it's not a question of whether greenwood is better than blackmore, because no one listens to radiohead for the riffs.