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― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 11 November 2011 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.flickr.com/photos/propelfilms/sets/72157622840517199/detail/
― documentary about titties OST (+ +), Friday, 11 November 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
sets/detail/
no ty
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 11 November 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
google adjusts your results to your search history, location, etc.― iatee, Friday, November 11, 2011 9:57 PM
fair hit, well zung
― Don't attack when he is black. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 11 November 2011 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
rape is a type of sex
― iatee, Friday, November 11, 2011 3:56 PM
fuck this utter bullshit
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 November 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
considering the dictionary definition of rape is "nonconsensual sexual intercourse" or "forced intercourse" I don't know how that could be technically wrong
I know how it's *wrong* but it's definitely a truth
― mh, Monday, 14 November 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link
sorry but the dictionary definition is essentially wrong
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 November 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
rape is a type of violence
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 November 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
also, rape includes acts that do not qualify as intercourse
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 November 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
yeahh I don't actually care that much about this semantics game. does 'sex crimes' mean the crimes people committed while having consensual sex? no that is generally not what people investiage on law and order SVU. if your personal definition of the word sex restricts the term to consensual sex, sure, fine, people can use language however they want, as long as people get what they're saying. but the term in 2011 has a very broad definition and so the dictionary is not 'essentially wrong'.
― iatee, Monday, 14 November 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
investigate
― iatee, Monday, 14 November 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
by that dictionary logic, being sodomized by a foreign object is not rape
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 November 2011 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
#occupydictionaries
― iatee, Monday, 14 November 2011 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
yeah this is one of the many instances in which typology/classification is insidious and just plain wrong imo. it links according to the external verifiable "natural" commonality (penile insertion) instead of differentiating based on something less verifiable but way more important, important enough to make two acts fundamentally different imo (consensuality). also: something something patriarchal objectivity bias.
xp
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Monday, 14 November 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
dictionary definition of sex vs urban dictionary definition of sex vs common sense definition of sex vs
― Don't attack when he is black. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 November 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
and sorry, words are important and i think the construction of the sex/rape concept is worth thinking about beyond "getting what people are saying" because often what people are saying reifies the construction. i.e. rape being a type of sex plays into the idea (noticeably prevalent in places that aren't big cities iirc) that sex is like the ok (but of course still kinda dirty) version of an act that is essentially the same thing.
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Monday, 14 November 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
besides i love sex, gtfo with rape being a type of sex, etc.
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Monday, 14 November 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
if you guys want to change the way people use a word feel free I have no problem w/ that
at the moment that is not the commonly accepted use of the term
― iatee, Monday, 14 November 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
phew glad you have no problem with that
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Monday, 14 November 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
the "rape is a type of sex" idea just minimizes the severity of rape, at the moment it's really reminding me of clayton williams' inflammatory quote: "rape is like bad weather: if it's inevitable, you might as well relax and enjoy it"
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Monday, 14 November 2011 22:00 (twelve years ago) link
I think saying "rape is a type of sex" is inherently wrong in 99% of conversational contexts. Rape is a form of violence that is acted out in a sexual manner. It's not a sexual position or type of sexual act, it's a action with a sexual component.
"Sex act" versus "action with sexual component" is where I'm getting to. So when we refer to "sex" to mean "a sex act" instead of the actual mechanics, it males this phrase seem bad.
― mh, Monday, 14 November 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBjIXCKtIxk
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 14 November 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
Lo_Oveline
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
mh, that is the best possible typo
― sex-poodle Al Gore (DJP), Monday, 14 November 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
this is a stupid debate and I have nothing invested in it, you guys can argue w/ the dictionary
― iatee, Monday, 14 November 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
iatee i'm not trying to change how people use a word i'm just saying it's glib to say "rape is a type of sex" and then insist that anyone saying "wait hold on there you can't just ignore a bunch of stuff by deferring to your made-up typology" is playing semantics games.
the oed says:
sex1 (chiefly with reference to people) sexual activity, including specifically sexual intercourse: he enjoyed talking about sex she didn’t want to have sex with him[in singular] euphemistic a person’s genitals.
rape1 the crime, typically committed by a man, of forcing another person to have sexual intercourse with him without their consent and against their will, especially by the threat or use of violence against them: he denied two charges of attempted rape he had committed at least two rapesliterary the abduction of a woman, especially for the purpose of having sexual intercourse with her: the Rape of the Sabine Women2 the wanton destruction or spoiling of a place or area: the rape of the Russian countryside
sex is "sexual activity, including specifically sexual intercourse." could be (literally) anything under the sun. hence "sexy." you know it when you see it. rape is a "crime" first and foremost. it does involve sexual intercourse (though as elmo points out it doesn't have to, legally speaking), but that is not above the other elements in its definition! rape isn't even a highly qualified instance of sex something, because force and non-consensuality "happen" before or along with the sex and make rape the specific thing that it is.
i mean, you can say what you want and argue that people don't think this way, what's the point when it gets the idea across, etc, but you can't back it up by pointing to the dictionary (which doesn't say much about the relationships between words, by the way) and then appealing to your received-wisdom-typology, which is being made because American culture has a bizarre relationship with sexuality and is more frightened of their own bodies than they are of killing other people. xposts
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Monday, 14 November 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
oh look, there's the dictionary
― ah, how quaint (Matt P), Monday, 14 November 2011 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
this isnt really "semantics games" its "ontology games"
― max, Monday, 14 November 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
y'all's games suck
― Kerm, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 00:16 (twelve years ago) link
the thing that especially bothers me about "sex is a type of rape" -- which, btw, is also infuriating for its pointless & wrongheaded point-scoring pedantry and fuck you again for that -- is that it classes "rape" alongside other types of sexual activity -- the result being that whether you actually intend it or not, iatee, it puts it on a taxonomic level where it could be interchanged with other types of sex. and that's just stupid and ridiculous! like, okay, over here we have oral sex, anal sex, vaginal intercourse, fisting, pegging, dirty sanchez, whatever... and then rape? no.
the former are indeed "types of sex", and they describe the mechanics of the sexual act. and while "rape" necessarily involves sexual activity, it does NOT describe the mechanics of the act, only the use of coercion / the absence of consent. any of those "types" of sex can be nonsexual. they can all be performed as rape.
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 00:19 (twelve years ago) link
can be nonconsensual, i mean
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 00:20 (twelve years ago) link
Guys, i'm saying this respectfully: take it to a new thread maybe?
― Don't attack when he is black. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 00:30 (twelve years ago) link
hahaha yes please someone start a "definition of rape" thread -- that REALLY needs to happen
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 November 2011 00:32 (twelve years ago) link
J4gger back
the thing that especially bothers me about "sex is a type of rape" -- which, btw, is also infuriating for its pointless & wrongheaded point-scoring pedantry and fuck you again for that -- is that it classes "rape" alongside other types of sexual activity -- the result being that whether you actually intend it or not, iatee, it puts it on a taxonomic level where it could be interchanged with other types of sex. and that's just stupid and ridiculous! like, okay, over here we have oral sex, anal sex, vaginal intercourse, fisting, pegging, dirty sanchez, whatever... and then rape? no.the former are indeed "types of sex", and they describe the mechanics of the sexual act. and while "rape" necessarily involves sexual activity, it does NOT describe the mechanics of the act, only the use of coercion / the absence of consent. any of those "types" of sex can be nonsexual. they can all be performed as rape. --i think this is serious (elmo argonaut)
the former are indeed "types of sex", and they describe the mechanics of the sexual act. and while "rape" necessarily involves sexual activity, it does NOT describe the mechanics of the act, only the use of coercion / the absence of consent. any of those "types" of sex can be nonsexual. they can all be performed as rape. --i think this is serious (elmo argonaut)
Moves like J4gger
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:21 (twelve years ago) link
idk what that means, but w/e
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
there are a shitload of sexual actions, or sex acts, that aren't consensual
kind of like there are kinds of so many things that are illegal. just because you can drive on the sidewalk, while intoxicated, doesn't mean it's part of "driving a car"
Trying to pretend that "sex" only works in a positive context or in the context of normativity kills the word more than saying that rape is a form of sex imo
― mh, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 02:40 (twelve years ago) link
idk if i get what you're saying about how it "kills the word?"
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 03:58 (twelve years ago) link
but whatever, i think we should look back onto the original context -- iatee's point is that raping children is "a type of sex", so it's perfectly okay to call the sandusky case a "sex scandal" in the news like it's in any way comparable or equivalent to a senator caught with a prostitute
fuck that
― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 04:00 (twelve years ago) link
unless you manage to turn this debate into something about suburban sprawl I am prob not gonna stick around, just fyi
― iatee, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 04:07 (twelve years ago) link
like I said I really don't care that much about arguing about the meaning of one particular word, you win, whatever
yeah, not a sex scandal in any normal sense of the term
kind of feel dirty for not noticing that was in the original context
― mh, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 04:26 (twelve years ago) link
back to yr regularly scheduled programming
http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/pictures/sex-doll-manufacturing-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html
― dayo, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 13:08 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaXltVOt0Hw
― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 13 January 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
lol I remember that from my childhood
The thing she is eating was - back then - called a "nigger kiss" btw. They changed the name not too many years ago, I'm sure it's mentioned in one of the racist or ronaldinho bottle opener threads
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 13 January 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
THey were called either that or Moors Heads (:/) in Germany but they changed the names too. Can't remember what they're called now. What I do know is that they're freakin' delicious.
― ENBB, Saturday, 14 January 2012 04:13 (twelve years ago) link
They were first only known under the names Mohrenkopf ("Moor's Head") or Negerkuss ("Negro's Kiss"), but most companies changed the official product-name in the 1980s[citation needed] to the more neutral Schokokuss ("Chocolate Kiss"), Schaumkuss ("Foam Kiss") or to brand-specific names (the most famous brand being Dickmann's). In the South and the West of Germany they are still commonly known as Mohrenkopf. In Austria they are referred to as Schwedehttp://kkkorner.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/nbomb5.jpg?w=350&h=259en ("Swedish bombs").
― ENBB, Saturday, 14 January 2012 04:16 (twelve years ago) link
woah wtf is that?
ahahaha mystery autoreplace strikes again!
― this is funny u bitter dork (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 14 January 2012 04:24 (twelve years ago) link
hilarious.
― ⚓ (gr8080), Saturday, 14 January 2012 04:29 (twelve years ago) link
Yes!
― this is funny u bitter dork (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 14 January 2012 04:30 (twelve years ago) link