The Matrix Reloaded (full spoilers)

As well as Morpheus's speech (that Tracer mentions above), the rave sequence was totally rubb...unless...it is meant to represent a questionable 'alternative' lifestyle that is being manufactured for the few who 'live' in Zion (questionable is the key word here - this is why it is done so poorly). Continuing this line of thought, the sex scene was completely lame...unless...sexuality is being used as a passifier to placate the minds of the citizens of Zion and make them think that they are experiencing an authentic reality.

Trinity could also be a passifying program designed to keep Neo down - this would be a plot development for the next film. Alternatively, I could just be making excuses for the poor parts of Matrix Reloaded.

'It occurs to me that this movie seems to be written for philosophical software engineers more than anyone else.'

As a first year philosophy student I lived with three software engineers whose unsubtle DVD pirating operation allowed me to see the Matrix for the first time.

The many-Smiths scene was kind of like them going 'This is ridiculous and overlong and OH JUST LOOK AT IT! Look at the effects! LOOK AT THEM! Hahaha!'. A bit like that TvGoHome show where a hand holds up a shiny coin for you to stare dumbly at (and that entire last Star Wars thing), but in a good way.

The anticlimactic dreadlock albino twins reminded me of Luke Haines.

The Matrix is supposed to like, send you spiralling into all these big-ass epistemological crises ennit, but I'm probably just gonna lose sleep over the above Morpheus = Evil theory.

this was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Everything that was cool about the first one was completely negated by Reloaded. For all the trouble they've gone to to create this credible Matrix-verse, they sure left a lot of loopholes.
Suddenly I'm looking forward to more shitty Star Wars movies.

Everything that was cool about the first one was completely negated by Reloaded

how exactly?

Everything that was cool about the first one was completely negated by Reloaded

how exactly?

All of the ambience created by the element of the Unknown was lost. By trying to codify what had before simply been overwhelming and nebulous, they trivialized the entire Matrix concept.

Stevem, I think most people's problem here (or at least mine) isn't neccessarily the quality of the dialogue (it was pretty bad in the first film too), but rather the overabundance of it--the too many long, long scenes of just talking heads, which never gave the movie the chance to build up any momentum. To me this is poor artistic execution.

i think i'll be sorely disappointed with Star Wars Episode III in perhaps the same way Horace has been with Reloaded - as he said he 'expected more' tho i'm not sure if that means he had ideas that failed to appear in the film or he expected more (and more convincing) character development and less cliched dialogue.

can some parallels not be drawn between Reloaded and X-Men 2 also? both seemed to drift somewhat aimlessly plotwise at times (tho this didnt make them actually boring as you were kept guessing as to how exactly things were going to pan out) partly because it became apparent that both films were trying to avoid certain courses of predictability at least at times and with both involving a wide range of characters, several of whom had very vague alleigances to good and evil (esp. as the nature of what is good and what is evil is challenged refreshingly in both films). tho neither could hardly escape relatively happy 'endings' that amount to 'love conquering all', both follow the model of the middle act leaving several things unresolved and setting things up for the next installement.

as far as the sunglass example that opened this thread, it's badass to wear sunglasses when it's cloudy or indoors, but in bright light what's the point; you look like a tourist. I mean, someone could accuse you of wearing glasses to protect your eyes from glare, and without irony I state that that would be a terrible thing.

parts of this great movie were just awful, and not in a laughable way.

Cowboy Bebob, episode five, hell yes.

i love that remark...truly it was awfully great, and greatly awful

actually i am not that big on most anime but i use the strong anime influence evident in Matrix Reloaded to argue it case, bizarrely. live action versions of anime films have been pretty much dud all round haven't they (altho i think Crying Freeman had its moments at least)?

There is a preview at the end of the film? Noooooooooooooo! That'll teach me to want a ciggy badly.

I thought the trajectory was less mystical; Morpheus is the mystic boy, and he's revealed to be a patsy, played like a sucker by the Oracle.

Trinity was mighty fine. More than fine. I will fite the One and her husband in real life, because I luv her more than any man could.

Think that many have been hysterical with this; it's Episode I/II redux. Hysteric's reaction is 'This is not it'. Expectations were just too high, hence inevitable come-down. I'm so glad I waited and calmed the fuck down.

Overall - kung-futastic. Thumbs up from me.

Attack The Gas Station

The Returner

Resurrection of the Little Match Girl

and of course I love Gunhed as well but they haven't made a DVD of it yet. Frankly I am waiting for the Criterion Collection to pick these up (HA HA).

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i went and saw it again and yes it did make more sense. and the teaser trailer at the end looks pretty good, but tho i may have missed them i saw no glimpse of the twins in the next film, bah

That's not punny.