The shocking scoop - sometimes black people listen to indie!

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When white people dabble in black music, it's their right.
When black people dabble in white music, it's a curiosity.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 27 January 2007 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

mickey, are you gay? the voice i imagine whenever i read what you write has this cadence + lisp to it. "the schocking scoop." if you are gay, no problem, as i am gay too and i understand.

-- plan b: videodrome (struggi...) (webmail), January 26th, 2007. (fauxhemian)

nah dude, i'm heterosexual. i do pretty good gay lisp imitation though.

― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Saturday, 27 January 2007 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Were high school kids making a BFD of Nirvana in the late '90s and early 2000's?

Srsly, the overweight kid with the head-hung-over-acoustic Cobain tee was a staple at my high school, as was the lithe drama student with the Cobain-geeked-up-and-wide-eyed tee.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Saturday, 27 January 2007 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

hot damn! now I've got a topic for next year's EMP conference

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 27 January 2007 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link

the question is, can a black person who listens to rock be a virgin?

― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Saturday, 27 January 2007 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

would that be normal?

― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Saturday, 27 January 2007 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link

...she taught at the Willie Mae Rock Camp for Girls, where kids learn to play punk-rock standards.

Ok Junior, you are going to practice until you get the riff to Shake Appeal down or there will be no Internet after dinner!

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Saturday, 27 January 2007 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm glad someone is preserving this precious cultural inheritance.

― R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 27 January 2007 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

THANK GOD SOMEONE HAD THE COURAGE TO ADDRESS THIS TOPIC ON ILX FOR THE THIRD/FOURTH/OR FIFTH TIME.

― John Justen waitin to get his W2s back so he can file his tax and ball out (john, Saturday, 27 January 2007 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link

someone has to be brave!

― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Saturday, 27 January 2007 18:45 (seventeen years ago) link

WE SHOULD FIND THAT PERSON THEN.

― John Justen waitin to get his W2s back so he can file his tax and ball out (john, Saturday, 27 January 2007 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link

btw

WHEN Douglas Martin first saw the video for Nirvana’s “Smells Like Teen Spirit” as a teenager in High Point, N.C. ...

i live pretty near high point. it doesn't matter what music dude may have listened to. black people don't fit in there.

― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Saturday, 27 January 2007 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

worst case scenario in this so-called black rock revival = corey glover makes a comeback

― timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 27 January 2007 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

i live pretty near high point. it doesn't matter what music dude may have listened to. black people don't fit in there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Point%2C_NC#Demographics

As of the censusGR2 of 2000, there were 85,839 people, 33,519 households, and 22,524 families residing in the city. The population density was 675.7/km² (1,750.1/mi²). There were 35,952 housing units at an average density of 283.0/km² (733.0/mi²). The racial makeup of the city was 60.56% White, 31.77% African American, 0.46% Native American, 3.35% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 2.27% from other races, and 1.57% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 4.89% of the population.

So what do you mean by that, exactly?

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 27 January 2007 19:11 (seventeen years ago) link

well shit. i must have missed some parts of town last time i was there.

freshman year of college i had a roommate from high point. i remember him talking about how there were like 3 black people in his high school. he was also openly, flaming gay, and of course he was the only one in his school like that.

― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Saturday, 27 January 2007 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

"worst case scenario in this so-called black rock revival = corey glover makes a comeback"

well, living colour's comeback already came & went, but their reunion album of the 2000's is far better than that awful solo CD that Glover did in the 90's

― Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Saturday, 27 January 2007 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

i fear the wetsuit

― timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 27 January 2007 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link

"someone has to be brave!"

it's going to be a brave new year.
i can feel it.

― edde (edde), Saturday, 27 January 2007 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

why does nobody this ouraged about the 100000000x articles every week going OMG WTF LOL WHITE KIDS LIKE RAP!!!!!

― and what (ooo), Saturday, 27 January 2007 20:32 (seventeen years ago) link

http://s2.supload.com/files/default/RTN_Raconte04401.jpg

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 27 January 2007 20:35 (seventeen years ago) link

(indie kilt)

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 27 January 2007 20:35 (seventeen years ago) link

oh shit wrong thread

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 27 January 2007 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

If there were a big trend of rock becoming more popular with black listeners, I think that would be news of some sort. My problem with the story is less that some trend like that be treated as news than that I am not convinced there is such a large scale shift going on.

OTM (although I don't know whether the second part of this is true or not). I do think, for example, that the increasing number of brown people in media and entertainment in Canada (rock bands as well as TV) is an interesting cultural shift worth at least a minor human interest story.

― Sundar (sundar), Saturday, 27 January 2007 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm not "outraged" by it at all. i just think it's a hilariously bad article. an "OMG WHITE KIDS LIKE RAP" article would probably be just as funny.

― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Saturday, 27 January 2007 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

"IM GOING TO STAMP OUT RACISM BY RIDICULING PEOPLE FOR THINKING ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MUSIC AND RACE" AND "LOOK AT HOW THIS NY TIMES REPORTER WROTE THIS ARTICLE AS THOUGH FOR AN AUDIENCE NOT ENTIRELY FAMILIAR WITH CONTEMPORARY MUSIC CULTURE"????!!

IM SO GLAD WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO COMBINE MY TWO FAVORITE THREAD TOPICS ON ILM!!!?!?

― max (maxreax), Saturday, 27 January 2007 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link

yes that is exactly my stance

― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Saturday, 27 January 2007 21:04 (seventeen years ago) link

There is even a new word for black fans of indie rock: “blipster,”
There is even a new word for black fans of indie rock: “blipster,”
There is even a new word for black fans of indie rock: “blipster,”
There is even a new word for black fans of indie rock: “blipster,”
There is even a new word for black fans of indie rock: “blipster,”
There is even a new word for black fans of indie rock: “blipster,”
There is even a new word for black fans of indie rock: “blipster,”
There is even a new word for black fans of indie rock: “blipster,”
There is even a new word for black fans of indie rock: “blipster,”
“blipster”
“blipster”
“blipster”
“blipster”
“blipster”
“blipster”

― am0n (am0n), Saturday, 27 January 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

delete civilization

― latebloomer: crapness 2 the Nth degree (latebloomer), Saturday, 27 January 2007 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

“blipster”

― am0n (am0n), Saturday, 27 January 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

does that make white hipsters "whipsters"?

― latebloomer: crapness 2 the Nth degree (latebloomer), Saturday, 27 January 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

"Caucster" has a nice ring to it.

― John Justen waitin to get his W2s back so he can file his tax and ball out (john, Saturday, 27 January 2007 21:19 (seventeen years ago) link

"IM GOING TO STAMP OUT RACISM BY RIDICULING PEOPLE FOR THINKING ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MUSIC AND RACE" AND "LOOK AT HOW THIS NY TIMES REPORTER WROTE THIS ARTICLE AS THOUGH FOR AN AUDIENCE NOT ENTIRELY FAMILIAR WITH CONTEMPORARY MUSIC CULTURE"????!!

IM SO GLAD WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO COMBINE MY TWO FAVORITE THREAD TOPICS ON ILM!!!?!?

-- max (maxnoreaxspa...), January 27th, 2007. (maxreax)

yes that is exactly my stance

-- critique de la vie quotidienne (mi...), January 27th, 2007. (modestmickey)

What? So why did you post it with the title "The shocking scoop - sometimes black people listen to indie?"

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 27 January 2007 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link

"IM GOING TO STAMP OUT RACISM BY RIDICULING PEOPLE FOR THINKING ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MUSIC AND RACE"

Yeah, but the way the writer handled race is kind of stupid.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 27 January 2007 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.waterencyclopedia.com/images/wsci_01_img0116.jpg

― friday on the porch (lfam), Saturday, 27 January 2007 23:04 (seventeen years ago) link

this thread can only get really bad

― friday on the porch (lfam), Saturday, 27 January 2007 23:05 (seventeen years ago) link

i dunno, it wasn't a particularly focused or in-depth article, but i didn't think it was awful

― max (maxreax), Saturday, 27 January 2007 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I will not rest until I have a "Die Blipster Scum" tee.

― The Reverend Rodney J. Greene sings you a dirge (R. J. Greene), Saturday, 27 January 2007 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link

this thread can only get really bad

Don't you want to play "Who's the racist?"

― R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 27 January 2007 23:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Answer: Mickey.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 27 January 2007 23:19 (seventeen years ago) link

can we just drop this and talk about oxbow some more?
that band, it's really something!

also, i listened to vivid the other day, and living colour kinda holds up well, surpisingly! it's the muzz skillings factor. that man could not be stopped.

― M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 27 January 2007 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Dude, Muzz was the man - Doug Wimbush just could not hold a candle

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 27 January 2007 23:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Wimbish, sorry

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 27 January 2007 23:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, sorry about the last comment I made re: Mickey - that was a bit unfair. got carried away.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 27 January 2007 23:57 (seventeen years ago) link

aw jeez, not this shit again

― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Sunday, 28 January 2007 00:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Morley Timmons OTM

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Sunday, 28 January 2007 01:02 (seventeen years ago) link

aye aye aye

― friday on the porch (lfam), Sunday, 28 January 2007 01:05 (seventeen years ago) link

But I want to talk about Time's Up! Great and largely overlooked album.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Sunday, 28 January 2007 01:06 (seventeen years ago) link

New Jack Theme anticipated dance punk. Hot beat.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Sunday, 28 January 2007 01:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I liked the pseudo-highlife guitar on "Promise of You." Reid is too good to be lumped as a simple shredmatic guitarist.

― Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Sunday, 28 January 2007 01:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, that's one of my other favorites. They were a rare example of a band of musicians all of whom could play just about anything and yet managed to briefly create a cohesive and convincing sound.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Sunday, 28 January 2007 01:17 (seventeen years ago) link

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Maybe we (ILX) should start a blog just for posting letters from bands+nytimes writers+such who get mad about bad press.

― UART variations (ex machina), Monday, 29 January 2007 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link

mts, was the letter in response to ilx, or maybe just your blog post?

― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Monday, 29 January 2007 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

it was a response to my blog post.

― mts (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 29 January 2007 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

aww.

― critique de la vie quotidienne (modestmickey), Monday, 29 January 2007 22:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i know, total letdown, eh?

― mts (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 29 January 2007 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Still not clear on why UrbanDictionary is an NYTimes worthy news source. Dom P. doesn't even fuck with that shit.

― UART variations (ex machina), Monday, 29 January 2007 22:41 (seventeen years ago) link

especially when the ascendency of indie rock to popular culture has wrought complete homogenization.

Yea, but that's your fault maria!

― UART variations (ex machina), Monday, 29 January 2007 22:42 (seventeen years ago) link

all those other widely-read publications and blogs were completely innocent -- the blame clearly should rest on the shoulders of a nobody blogger. believe what you want to believe.

― mts (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 29 January 2007 22:50 (seventeen years ago) link

no rave keyboard; no cred

― UART variations (ex machina), Monday, 29 January 2007 23:00 (seventeen years ago) link

stop making me blush with your flattery, sir. i might be inclined to look favorably upon you.

― mts (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 29 January 2007 23:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Jay Z and Beyonce at Fall Out Boy show WTF

― a.b. (alanbanana), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

if nothing else, this thread is going to make me go see if i can find "stain" at a used CD shop. so success!

I'd suggest you save your money. Horrible, dreary record. When Muzz left, the fun left with him.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

why does black people never want to change your life?

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

i heard it was supposed to be good.

― M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess if you find a copy for a couple of bucks it's worth a spin.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Why aren't there more people like Jimi Hendrix, Phil Lynott, Lenny Kravitz and Kele Okereke?

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 23:19 (seventeen years ago) link

B/C no one even knows who the fuck two of those people are and three of them are boring.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 23:21 (seventeen years ago) link

why aren't there more people like John Lennon, Bruce Springsteen, Sting, and John Mayer?

― Make a Beck Song #1 (M Matos), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 23:21 (seventeen years ago) link

None of them are remotely as boring as 99,99 per cent of today's contemporary R&B or hip-hop acts.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y148/Juror8/464809181180817091106.gif

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

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