is Karma by Pharoah Sanders the best record ever?

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[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link

here's my rundown of the Cherry albums i have
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Those Eddie Gale releases are the ultimate. sooooooo amazing!!

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link

and not to be contrarian to the rest of the thread, but i listen to "Village of the Pharoahs" and "Wisdom Through Music" far more than i listen to any other Sanders albums

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link

and if you're really jonesing for some more of this stuff, LA dj & club thrower Carlos Nino put out an album as a band called Build an Ark that sounds IDENTICAL to this stuff. it has Derf Reklaw, Dwight Trible, Phil Ranelin, Stanley Cowell. they do covers of Sanders, ranelin & cowell tunes. more than half of it is sorta blah, but there are a few really good tracks on it. but it's kinda like "what's the point?"

and dwight trible has a solo album out a few years ago. he sings just like leon thomas

[that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:47 (eighteen years ago) link

"which Don Cherry discs should I pick up?"

Brown Rice

I also second Joe Henderson's Elements w/ Alice and Charlie Haden.

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Saturday, 28 May 2005 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Haven't heard Karma, but I gotta say that Pharoah's 1999 set at Bumbershoot was the finest live jazz performance I have ever witnessed in all of my 39 years. The man has GOT IT.

sleeve (sleeve), Saturday, 28 May 2005 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw Pharaoh in 1992 or 1993, at Iridium in NYC (when it was still up by Lincoln Center). He had Cindy Blackman, from Lenny Kravitz's band, on drums.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 28 May 2005 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw Pharoah about that time at Yoshi's in Oakland. Not very much sax in the mix, considering. There was a lot more chanting and hand percussion.

I guess I gotta try out this Iphizo Zam thing.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Sunday, 29 May 2005 01:25 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
whats the deal with this private tape of sanders in france in 1971 with a 55(!) minute version of creator has a master plan? anyone heard it?

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 23 June 2005 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link

my mistake. its nice, and its not 55 minutes either

Session 4, 18.07.1971, Nice, France

Pharoah Sanders ts, ss, fl, tamb, perc
Lonnie Liston Smith p
Cecil McBee b
Jimmy Hopps dr
Lawrence Killian bongo

1.Jamil (Sanders) 22:55
2.Unknown title (sanders) 19:30
2.The Creator Has a Master Plan (Sanders-Thomas) 20:45
3.Let Us Go into the House of the Lord (Sanders) 25:13

Private tape

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 24 June 2005 00:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd like to hear it please

a real bear behind the microphone (nordicskilla), Friday, 24 June 2005 02:59 (eighteen years ago) link

its not as good as i'd hoped, though it can go on the cdr package

astral travelling, tell me of this one?

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 1 July 2005 06:30 (eighteen years ago) link

"The Creator Has a Master Plan" is brilliant, but the song that follows it is kinda boring.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 1 July 2005 09:33 (eighteen years ago) link

oh, in my post, i meant the live set in Nice. Karma is great, almost as good as izipho zam!

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 1 July 2005 09:36 (eighteen years ago) link

only a fiver in the hmv sale at the moment for them as haven't got it yet!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 1 July 2005 09:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Black Unity shattered my mind into a million pieces.
Nothing compares to this album.

theophilus jones (theophilus), Friday, 1 July 2005 12:26 (eighteen years ago) link

so dope.

Baby BobO (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 July 2005 15:38 (eighteen years ago) link

is that a vieri reference?

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 1 July 2005 15:54 (eighteen years ago) link

amateurist

Baby BobO (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 July 2005 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
So, is there anything in the world nearly as joyful in an unrestrained, sun breaking through mist in the morning, life suddenly makes sense, pancakes in winter way as "Creator Has A Master Plan"? If so please recommend kthx

nervous (cochere), Friday, 29 July 2005 10:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it's one of the sexiest records ever. It's structured like sex for a start - lots of foreplay (all those delicate bells and chanting), then it gradually builds up and up in passion until it EXPLODES into freeform orgasm. It is also Tantric jazz as we get five or six orgasms in the course of the performance. Treat "Colors" as the cigarette afterwards.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 29 July 2005 10:53 (eighteen years ago) link

How do people think Karma compares with A Love Supreme? I know which I prefer, and I wonder what it says about me as a person.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I like "Jewels of Thought", it's like a less nuts version of "Karma"

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Whereas Izipho-Zam is a considerably nuttier version of Karma, but thankfully not in the Madness sense.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I recommend experiencing all three version - from nuts to nutty to nuttiest!

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 29 July 2005 11:59 (eighteen years ago) link

The version of "Prince Of Peace" is notable for Sanders creaking away on the bass clarinet like a loose Hornblower gangplank.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 29 July 2005 12:04 (eighteen years ago) link

the version on Jewels Of Thought, that is.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 29 July 2005 12:04 (eighteen years ago) link

The solo in the middle is the fucking business

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 29 July 2005 12:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I prefer the Jewels of Thought version of "Prince of Peace," because it's got that utterly fuckin transcendent sax blast from Pharoah at the end, but Izipho Zam is better overall.

That Karma though...man, what an album.

Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:28 (eighteen years ago) link

ive never heard jewels of thought!

i just ordered a copy from sound323

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 29 July 2005 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
I just found Village Of The Pharoahs for five bucks. I am loving it. Clearly I have to get all of the Impulse albums now.

sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 13 February 2006 05:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I've only got Jewels of Though & Sunmun Bukmun Umyun, but they're both great. I'll give most any pharaoh sanders record a chance.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Monday, 13 February 2006 05:44 (eighteen years ago) link

karma is totally in my top 20 records ever, and "colors" is the perfect ending. it's definitely my favorite p.sanders album, but i like jewels of thought, live at the east, and thembi a ton, plus all his work on alice coltrane albums and on ask the ages.

pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Monday, 13 February 2006 15:01 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
the sound of summer

-- (688), Saturday, 15 July 2006 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

LOVE IS EVERYWHERE (the live, bootlegged cut)

fongoloid sangfroid (sanskrit), Saturday, 15 July 2006 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Karma is my fave Pharoah Sanders.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Saturday, 15 July 2006 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link

which do people prefer, ouy out of hum allah hum allah hum allah, and prince of peace. i....dont know

at the moment i like summun bukmun umyun best, and ive been into sun in aquarius a lot more also

-- (688), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

i havent heard pharoahs first, then i have them all up until village of the pharoahs/blackunity/live at the east/wisdom through music/elevation

lets talk about these lps

-- (688), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link

and not to be contrarian to the rest of the thread, but i listen to "Village of the Pharoahs" and "Wisdom Through Music" far more than i listen to any other Sanders albums
-- [that bastard] jaxon (jaso...), May 28th, 2005 2:37 PM. (jaxon)

Mike Hawk (jaxon), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

tell me about them!

-- (688), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link

but yeah, Village of the Pharoahs and Wisdom Through Music are pretty different albums. they're kinda happy and upbeat and don't even have that much free playing on them. they're a bit latin, a bit worldy, very sing songy and chanty. a lot of percussion. he's not even playing sax on a bunch of songs.

i've only ever listened to Live at the East once or twice. kinda whatever. (actually i take that back.listening now. it's what you'd expect from a prime period PS album except you can hear people clapping in the background).

Pharoahs First, even though it's on ESP was boring. remember it being just bop.

i only got Elevation recently. weird that i didn't even know it existed because he's one of my fave artists. it's pretty good. some of the same players on the later albums (village, wisdom). not as much sax also.

fuck. just buy or download them all. except First and the Pharoah & Latin Jazz Quartet album.

Mike Hawk (jaxon), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link

i also remember thinking Summun Bukmun Umyun had too much soprano sax on it for my tastes. i'll listen next

Mike Hawk (jaxon), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link

the production on Live at the East isn't as immediate and in your face and sounds a little far away

Mike Hawk (jaxon), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

This might be a stupid question, but how did those Pharoah Sanders albums that have tunes longer than 25 minutes work on vinyl? Did the tune fade out at the end of side A and the fade in at the beginning of side B? Did they only become available in their intended form after they were released on CD?

Tuomas, Sunday, 3 February 2008 19:22 (sixteen years ago) link

yes. http://www.discogs.com/release/873261

jaxon, Sunday, 3 February 2008 19:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Def. one of the huge benefits of CD.

Alex in SF, Sunday, 3 February 2008 22:30 (sixteen years ago) link

everyone should own two copies of each pharoah album!

-- vahid (vahid), Saturday, May 28, 2005 1:49 AM

i am working on this as we speak.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 4 February 2008 04:41 (sixteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, FARRELL PHAROAH SANDERS!!!

and i was just singing "the creator has a master plan" to myself today before i found out. made me feel damn in tune, lemme tell ya. also i'm in little rock, his birthplace! gotta listen to some this eve in his honor.

oh and jaxon, interesting cover of it you put up on the blog recently.

andrew m., Monday, 13 October 2008 20:34 (fifteen years ago) link

I wish someone would reissue the CD version of "Izipho Zam", it's impossible to find even a used copy at a reasonable price.

Tuomas, Monday, 13 October 2008 20:47 (fifteen years ago) link

not enough love for colors here -- i like the way the singer sings "puuuuuuuuuurple"...

tylerw, Monday, 13 October 2008 20:49 (fifteen years ago) link

RIP

Absolutely vital to my getting into jazz in the first place, so he's always been a keystone for me

― rob, Saturday, September 24, 2022 10:51 AM (eleven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah this. when i was figuring out what about jazz was interesting to me he was right in the center of it. his late 60s/early 70s aesthetic and overall vibe stands unmatched.

call all destroyer, Sunday, 25 September 2022 02:24 (one year ago) link

omg

budo jeru, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 00:42 (one year ago) link

Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah ye-ah.

Ride On Proserpina (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 01:20 (one year ago) link

Wow.

Narada Michael Fagan (Tom D.), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 07:14 (one year ago) link

Sounds like a mash up but it's apparently real. There's a wikipedia entry on it mentioning a couple of other tracks from teh sessions with Leon Thomas on and a few other unexpected artists like Ornette coleman. Apparently it's about Louis Armstrong's last but one session and he was too weak to play trumpet but sang ok.
It's up on Spotify as the full original lp if you want to hear any more.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 10:20 (one year ago) link

I discovered that Louis track via this excellent NTS show from a few years ago (maybe even posted on ILM?) thats an hourlong mashup of a bunch of different covers of "Creator", lots of great versions

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 27 September 2022 13:43 (one year ago) link

two months pass...
nine months pass...

Pharoah reissued and streaming

a blessing

http://www.pharoahsanders.com/harvesttime/2023/9/14/its-harvest-time

corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 13:53 (seven months ago) link

i love this record but have to say that $55 for a "box set" (actually just a 2XLP with booklet) is highway robbery

budo jeru, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 14:45 (seven months ago) link

otm

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 14:56 (seven months ago) link

bet $5 that a year from now there will be a single-LP version

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 14:56 (seven months ago) link

(for $30)

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 14:57 (seven months ago) link

i have a bootleg repro that i'm happy with, and it sounds like they are posting photos and essays online so

budo jeru, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 15:52 (seven months ago) link

same!

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 15:52 (seven months ago) link

The bootleg's been so expensive for ages, so I'm happy to be able to pick up a copy. The live stuff's great too.

Tim, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 15:53 (seven months ago) link

streaming on Bandcamp fwiw

cool origin story that I did not know:

This record’s origin story is as elusive as Pharoah himself. It was born out of a misunderstanding between Pharoah and the India Navigation producer Bob Cummins, and was recorded with a group of musicians so unlikely that they were never all in the same room again. There was the guitarist Tisziji Muñoz, who would go on to become a spiritual guru, the organist Clifton “Jiggs” Chase, who would leave jazz to take a job at Sugar Hill Records, where he would co-write and produce “The Message” for Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, and Bedria Sanders, Pharoah’s wife at the time and a classically trained pianist, who would play the harmonium on this record even though she had never seen a harmonium before.

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 16:47 (seven months ago) link

i'm glad it's back in print, and i see now that it's also available on CD or digitally, which is great.

budo jeru, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 17:14 (seven months ago) link

i love this record but have to say that $55 for a "box set" (actually just a 2XLP with booklet) is highway robbery

I'm selling mine — mint, sealed — on Discogs for just $50 plus shipping. A bargain!

read-only (unperson), Wednesday, 20 September 2023 17:20 (seven months ago) link

Is the cover photo not to your liking? 8)

nickn, Wednesday, 20 September 2023 18:24 (seven months ago) link


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