Lil Jon Needs To Fall Under A Truck

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Jess has a personal axe to grind these days, it seems.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:35 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck, you forgot Sterling Clover (Bone Crusher).

:-(

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:38 (twenty years ago) link

Is Onyx's Bacdafucup proto-crunk?

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:42 (twenty years ago) link

why, because they shout?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:44 (twenty years ago) link

were they fat?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:44 (twenty years ago) link

That's my question exactly. Does shouting have anything to do with crunk?

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:45 (twenty years ago) link

did they have a jewel encrusted goblet?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:45 (twenty years ago) link

phil wanted them to fall under a truck

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:45 (twenty years ago) link

Two of'em were, as I remember. The other two were slim. And they were all bald. I have that album, I'm somewhat embarassed to say.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:45 (twenty years ago) link

closet biohazard fan?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:46 (twenty years ago) link

"JUST THROW YA GUNZ IN THA AIR, AND *BUK BUK* LIKE YA JUST DON'T CARE!"

etc.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:46 (twenty years ago) link

An interesting tidbit about Bacdafucup from AMG:

"The album even beat out such stiff competition as Dr. Dre's rap classic The Chronic at the Soul Train Awards for Best Rap Album that year [1993]."

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:47 (twenty years ago) link

Not really. I saw Onyx open for Public Enemy and Ice-T and House of Pain at a show at the New Ritz in 1992 that most of the bands refused to show up for due to poor promotion. I remember thinking that Onyx were pretty entertaining, so I picked up the album when it came out. Biohazard kinda ruined "Slam," actually.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:48 (twenty years ago) link

are you listening to this by yourself or in your living room or something daft like that?

It sounds great in the living room alone too, though!

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:51 (twenty years ago) link

"If anyone wants to explain the appeal of these country-ass, bellowing morons, please go right ahead."

i think this is the kind of question that answers itself.

does anyone know when crunk became a noun? i'd never heard it used like that until southern rap became 'big' again this year.

― Adrian (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:57 (twenty years ago) link

I thought "crunk" was an adjective that implied "crowded, happenin' and hoppin'," as in "we're the type of people who make the club get crunk".

You tell me.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:58 (twenty years ago) link

crunk = crazy + drunk

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 19:59 (twenty years ago) link

I always heard heard it used to mean getting high.

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:00 (twenty years ago) link

happenin and hoppin!

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:00 (twenty years ago) link

I may be imagining this but I somehow remember a Conan O Brien skit where they were going to make up a new dirty word....and the word they came up with was "crunk"

Does anyone else remember this or am I just cr8zy?

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:06 (twenty years ago) link

Oddly, Onyx's great 1990 debut single "Ah And We Do It Like That" is one of the most country-sounding hip hop records ever; they even *talk* about being country in it. So yeah, proto-crunk for sure.

Lil Jon, according to Chris Weingarten who interviewed him a couple weeks ago, has apparently always been a big Dead Kennedys and Ramones fan. Which might in part explain the mosh pits at his concerts.

Sorry I didn't mention yr Bone Crusher piece, Sterling; I also left out Yancey Strickler on Killer Mike, Kandia Crazy Horse on Bubba Sparxxx, Tony Green on LOTS of stuff, etc. (I was only thinking the past month or two. But the Voice's crunk-consciousness is indeed nothing new.)

― chuck, Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:11 (twenty years ago) link

"We kind of call it 'black punk rock'," Jon says. You see the same reaction to rock bands. People jumping up and down the whole show, mosh pits, pushing and shoving. A lot of screaming and yelling."

(From Vibe.) (The pattern of every single music magazine article on new Southern rap-- Lil Jon is the crunk-is-the-future guy and then David Banner says 'Well, we aren't all about the crunk stuff' and then the T.I./Killer Mike/Youngbloodz interview. And then the sidebar explaining the slang.)

― d k (d k), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:18 (twenty years ago) link

"Ying-Yang Twins are the
Simon and Garfunkel of
crunk." --Matt Cibula.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:22 (twenty years ago) link

crunk = crazy + drunk

I guess that makes sense too.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:23 (twenty years ago) link

to be honest alex, your definition has supplanted all others for me

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:23 (twenty years ago) link

make that Simon and Garcrunkel.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:23 (twenty years ago) link

"History is Crunk!"

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:24 (twenty years ago) link

to be honest alex, your definition has supplanted all others for me

Much like Onyx, the Ink Spots are proto-crunk.

― Colin Beckett (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:31 (twenty years ago) link

I still maintain that
T.I.'s album Trap Muzik
is the best so far;

but it's not quite "crunk"
the way Lil Jon, Ying Yang are,
neither is Banner

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:43 (twenty years ago) link

Trap Muzik isn't crunk by any definition of the word. When that guy said it was the "southern Illmatic," he was pretty right on. It's tired and [another word] and mostly not in a really good way. It's not bad but it's pretty boring.

― d k (d k), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:53 (twenty years ago) link

No, it's not boring,
and no, it's not tired at all.
He's a great rapper.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 11 December 2003 20:57 (twenty years ago) link

yah, Trap Muzik is pretty un-crunk. though you can still get crunk to it.

― Adrian (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 11 December 2003 21:03 (twenty years ago) link

Honestly, though, given their longstanding allegiance to post-planet-rock electro beats long after the West and East coasts abandoned them, 2 Live Crew and Tag Team and 95 South and the Quad City DJs and L'Trimm and Maggotron and the Hi-Town DJs were all probably way more proto-crunk than Onyx were. Just because Lil Jon's music has gang shouts in it doesn't mean gangshouts are the defining factor of crunk.

― chuck, Thursday, 11 December 2003 21:04 (twenty years ago) link

Trust me, Haikunym. I'll try to put this into indie rock terms for you. Okay, T.I. is like The Strokes of Southern rap. (UGK, Television.) Even if it's the best of the three rap CDs you bought this year and it appeals to people whose experience ended with New York rap/rockist touchstones, it's not that great and it's boring. I'm glad you enjoy it.

― d k (d k), Thursday, 11 December 2003 21:18 (twenty years ago) link

dk: stop being a choad

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 21:19 (twenty years ago) link

Okay. Sorry.

― d k (d k), Thursday, 11 December 2003 21:21 (twenty years ago) link

Oh yeah, and there was also the TNC piece on Banner, though I totally disagreed with him as usual, but in that good constructive sorta disagreeing way, also as usual.

also, from the "playahata.com" dictionary:

Crunk/Krunk: Slang, adj (1)To be enjoyable, usually in reference to a party. (2)to become excited and/or agitated. Primarily used in the Southern, United States.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 11 December 2003 22:06 (twenty years ago) link

but crunk makes me think of crunchy and a trunk, like somebody is jumping up and down on a suitcase and it is making a crunchy noise.

or maybe like an elephant trunk noise.

or maybe crunchy and funk, or crass and a monk!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 11 December 2003 22:07 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.globalbeer.com/diverse/texts/Monk-with-Drink.jpg

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 11 December 2003 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

the trunk of the Caddy where all the subwoofers are kept!

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 11 December 2003 22:21 (twenty years ago) link

http://www2.freepichosting.com/Images/103821/1.jpg

― d k (d k), Thursday, 11 December 2003 22:26 (twenty years ago) link

My first guess at the etymology of "crunk" was that it was a past-tense form of "crank" - e.g, if something has been cranked up as high as it can go, then it's crunk.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 11 December 2003 22:28 (twenty years ago) link

T.I. is like The Strokes of Southern rap.

meaning it's great! awesome! I'll go out and buy it right now!

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 11 December 2003 22:28 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, it also means the likelihood of his actually sounding like the MCs he's accused of ripping off is slim to none.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 11 December 2003 22:39 (twenty years ago) link

everyone thinks there strokes comparison is the best (everyone maybe right)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 December 2003 22:41 (twenty years ago) link

looking like Television /= sounding like Television

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 11 December 2003 23:02 (twenty years ago) link

the strokes sound more like early blondie than television.

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 11 December 2003 23:05 (twenty years ago) link

Some days I wish the Strokes were crunk

(stronk?)

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 11 December 2003 23:06 (twenty years ago) link

Strunk

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 11 December 2003 23:07 (twenty years ago) link

and White

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 11 December 2003 23:08 (twenty years ago) link

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yeah it's even crazier than the one for "Pon de Floor" (though quite similar really)

― frogbs, Monday, 17 March 2014 18:41 (ten years ago) link

about a week ago I heard "Turn Down For What" in the club and I turned down and left

― imago draggin' (The Reverend), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:36 (ten years ago) link

lol

― coops all on coops tbh (crüt), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:36 (ten years ago) link

the whiney will not tolerate anyone badmouthing turn down for what

― perfect puppy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:38 (ten years ago) link

If anyone wants to explain the appeal of these country-ass, bellowing morons, please go right ahead.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:01 PM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'd say "never change" but he didn't

― perfect puppy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:40 (ten years ago) link

is Turn Down For What considered trap? the Harlem Shake kind, not the Lex Luger kind. I think I'd have to experience it in its normal context to properly loathe it.

― coops all on coops tbh (crüt), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:42 (ten years ago) link

ummm, just watched the video and that was something

― imago draggin' (The Reverend), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:43 (ten years ago) link

lil jon gave us so much joy i'm fine w/ him getting EDM money

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:45 (ten years ago) link

truuu. It's not even that I don't like "Turn Down For What" (it's aight) so much as it's not the vibe I want when I'm out

― imago draggin' (The Reverend), Monday, 17 March 2014 20:00 (ten years ago) link

yeah no i'm with you i don't think i would turn up to that song either

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Monday, 17 March 2014 20:10 (ten years ago) link

i would

― perfect puppy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 17 March 2014 20:10 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

is anyone in the video really completely comfortable with the vibe either?

― j., Thursday, 1 May 2014 06:39 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

very into the "turn down for what" remix

banger

― lex pretend, Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:30 (nine years ago) link

it is amazing to me that a metalhead like phil would hate probably the most metal-influenced mainstream rapper of the 21st century

― grindie cindy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:38 (nine years ago) link

Like this samples Slayer and was directly inspired by Suicidal Tendancies' "Institutionalized."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEE5_yfNbFg&feature=kp

― grindie cindy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 15 May 2014 16:40 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

"turn down for what" is probably my song of the year. figures jon would come in and hop on a lame trend (what do we call this, EDM?) and do it better than any of these jokers

― k3vin k., Saturday, 31 May 2014 17:39 (nine years ago) link

he's been doing edm guest appearances for years now

― macklin' rosie (crüt), Saturday, 31 May 2014 17:43 (nine years ago) link

lil Jon is seriously amazing on turn down for what

― write 500 words of song (sleepingbag), Saturday, 31 May 2014 17:48 (nine years ago) link

TD4W is incredible

― Spottie, Saturday, 31 May 2014 20:32 (nine years ago) link

five years pass...

no avoid the truck Jon pls

― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Saturday, 30 November 2019 23:25 (four years ago) link

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