Rufus Wainwright - Classic or Dud?

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That would be a beautiful dream.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 11 May 2003 00:56 (twenty years ago) link

I listened to Poses tonight. I have to comment about "Shadows" sounding like a kd lang song; while I can sort of see that in the chorus, kd lang cool as she might be, would never sing the kind of melody the verses have.

Sean (Sean), Sunday, 11 May 2003 03:26 (twenty years ago) link

Mark Eitzel minus Nick Cave plus Liza Minelli divided by Jim Carrey = Rufus Wainwright.

Daniel (dancity), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:27 (twenty years ago) link

PS What a cracking gig tonight. Such charm!

Daniel (dancity), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:27 (twenty years ago) link

Wasn't it fantastic? I've always thought a lot of the genius of 'Poses' lay in the arrangements, but I was so very, very wrong (although glad he didn't play 'Rebel Prince', because I don't think that would have worked). And, oh, the man takes shameless audience manipulation to new heights.

cis (cis), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:46 (twenty years ago) link

I'm now tempted to talk about the good ol' days in Mtl. but I won't

slutsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 00:02 (twenty years ago) link

"Dave Douglas does a wonderful version of 'Poses' on his alb 'The Infinite' "

Agreed, absolutely gorgeous.

ArfArf, Wednesday, 14 May 2003 08:14 (twenty years ago) link

cis, on the subject of audience manipulation, I liked his asides and his gentle pricking of the seriousness of melancholy music. I thought he just about got the balance right. There were one or two occasions when I thought, Give it a bit of reverence, don't just take the piss every time, please.

Daniel (dancity), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 08:59 (twenty years ago) link

He definitely prevented it from being the po-faced, MTV Unplugged kind of concert it really could have been (the adoring audience, the cushions on the floor...).

cis (cis), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 22:39 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
So Want One is out, what's the ILM verdict?

scott m (mcd), Thursday, 25 September 2003 14:42 (twenty years ago) link

I was disappointed but I'll give it another shot.

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 25 September 2003 14:47 (twenty years ago) link

funniest album cover of the year -- haven't listened to it yet.

chris herrington (chris herrington), Thursday, 25 September 2003 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

is it on soulseek yet ?

piscesboy, Thursday, 25 September 2003 16:19 (twenty years ago) link

It sounds nice on first listen. The girl in Mod Lang practically forced me to buy it.

adaml (adaml), Saturday, 27 September 2003 00:14 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
I've finally figured out why I don't like him all the more clearly, based on the two random encounters with his recent album in record stores lately. He sounds like Thom Yorke but all wrong with suck arrangements (and anyone who does like him who doesn't like Yorke's voice, I MOCK THEE). I'd rather listen to Chris Martin, for crying out loud! DEATH DEATH DEATH. There, vented for now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 03:18 (twenty years ago) link

Live, his voice fills an opera house, but on record, he likes to bury it. So frustrated was producer Alex Gifford with this strange insistence of his, he swore never to work with him again after Poses.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 03:55 (twenty years ago) link

I cannot get into Want One. Maybe that's because my hatred of Thom Yorke won't allow my unconscious to enjoy it?

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 04:40 (twenty years ago) link

Or maybe it's the way that first track bites fucking "Bolero." Sheesh. What a drama queen.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 04:45 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
UK people, there is a documentary on Channel 4 about him right now. Sting is singing his praises, and so is the guy from Keane, which wouldn't encourage me to investigate further.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 13 March 2005 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Marc Almond and Siouxsie love him, though. This makes me despair. They could be loving Romanthony instead or something.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 13 March 2005 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

"Want One" was terrible. The more he expresses himself, the more boring he becomes.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 13 March 2005 00:26 (nineteen years ago) link

want one and want two would've made one pretty good short album between 'em. among other things, he could really really use a lyricist. but poses is so drop-dead beautiful, and he's so incredibly endearing in concert that i'm willing to forgive these faults and more.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Sunday, 13 March 2005 00:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Eh... he has some great songs ("Cigarettes and Chocolate Milk," "California," "Oh What a World," his rendition of "Across the Universe," "Gay Messiah" and a few more), so I wouldn't say he's a dud, but he sure isn't classic either. Maybe with a few more albums.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Sunday, 13 March 2005 01:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I kept wondering what he'd done to deserve a whole show dedicated to him. Because... he didn't seem very good.

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Sunday, 13 March 2005 01:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to think he was a dud. Mainly cos he was recommended to me by a friend who usually likes lots of depressed singer/songwriters. But having heard Want Two, I really like what he's doing.

I saw the documentary tonight, and I really liked his whole self deprecating sense of humour.

And why are there so many (well two) attractive gay musicians?

jellybean at home, Sunday, 13 March 2005 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I only really like the song "California."

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 13 March 2005 01:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw him live around the time that the first album came out, then got around to picking it up a few months later and it's one of my favorite albums. never got around to checking out any of the other albums, though. not sure about the Want ones but I saw him live again around the time of Poses and those songs sounded good too.

Al (sitcom), Sunday, 13 March 2005 02:00 (nineteen years ago) link

more than anything, i love the title song from poses, which is the song that singlehandedly turned me into a fan: the resignation in his voice as he sings about wearing flip-flips on fifth avenue ... the way he makes "avenue" fit into the meter when by all rights it shouldn't ... the subtle way the chorus creeps on you before exploding into a nice big pop change ... the impossibly high note in the last repeat of the chorus ... so many other great moments in that one little pop song.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Sunday, 13 March 2005 02:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I confess. I watched the doc just to see his mum.

And his sister. Rwor.

Masked Gazza, Sunday, 13 March 2005 02:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Taking Sides: Rufus Wainwright's version of "Across the Universe" versus Fiona Apple's.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 13:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought he was classic on his first two albums, but I hated Want One, and haven't been bothered to even listen to Want Two. His best song is "Instant Pleasure" which he foolishly put on the Big Daddy soundtrack and not on one of his albums.

Jonathan (Jonathan), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 14:07 (nineteen years ago) link

'My Phone's On Vibrate For You' is a truly horrific song. Sub-par Thom Yorke-isms all the way.

I'm prepared to give him another chance, as that's the only track I've heard (and instinctively recoiled from) thus far.

Goit MacLachlan, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

One of the best shows I have ever seen was Rufus at the Fillmore touring Want One. Martha is lovely too and very sweet. I find all of his albums initially hard to get into but once they worm their way in, they become very dear and I find myself absentmindedly humming bits of songs during the day.

Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, he does kill live. But Rufus is a case study of someone who got major-label push and money before his songwriting caught up with his ambition. "Poses" is his best album and the s/t debut has marvelous songs, but oy! When he can't find a melody he'll croon around one, or rely on bathetic strings and as a crutch. "Want One" confirmed it.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:52 (nineteen years ago) link

'My Phone's On Vibrate For You' is a truly horrific song. Sub-par Thom Yorke-isms all the way.

"Vibrate" is so many leagues above anything Thom Yorke has put his name to! Even apart from that I don't see that they share any similarities at all, either lyrically or sonically.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Wonder if Rufus himself doesn't like "Want One". Saw him last month and there were almost NONE of the songs off that I would have thought would definitely get an airing - no "I Don't Know What It Is", "Movies Of Myself", "14th Street" or "Go Or Go Ahead" (my four favourite songs off that album) - so what was actually played off it was slightly outshone by the "Want Two" stuff, which I had theretofore not liked that much.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

classic if only for the brilliant verse below from "The Gay Messiah":

What will happen instead
Someone will demand my head
And then I will kneel down
And give it to them

And I like his voice LOADS more than Thom Yorke, who I honestly have no time for. While I can understand someone saying they have similar timbre and texture, Rufus thankfully never sounds like a lamb bleating out of tune

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I love Rufus's voice myself, it's like melted chocolate, but I can also totally understand people who are frustrated with it: my classically-trained best friend has only just come round to him after years of antipathy, but phrases like "he doesn't open his MOUTH" and "aargh, NASAL" still roll forth from her every so often.

I kind of dread the next album: I think by now it's clear that Rufus thrives on attention, and this gives him more confidence to really indulge himself, so now his PR people are doing such stellar work fuck only knows what ideas he'll carry through next.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
Blaaaahhh... YUK !
Start with a block minor chord on the piano... Am.

Melody: start on the 5th and descend predictably/diatonically..
E DD CC BB A.


Switch Chord to (predictable) Dm.

Melody : F EE DD AA B


Lyrics (from beat 1 of A minor chord) :

"All the times I tried to hide from,
everything I was denied..."

Remember to hold your breath, plug your nose
for the nasal whine and sing out of the corner
of your mouth.

Repulsively pathetic, boring, depressing, monotonous,
unoriginal and disgusting is Rufus.

-- Musicfan101 (mz...), March 1st, 2006.


the nasal bleating thing is annoying, someone so gaga over opera should pay attention to vocal technique


timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 03:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I just saw him schmoozing at the Whitney Biennial preview opening. He was wearing some rather pretentious robes, bottle green, and happened to be saying "He's a big fan of my dad" to someone as I passed. Nabisco was nearby, fussing over Daniel Johnston.

Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 03:49 (eighteen years ago) link

The few songs that I love ("Grey Gardens", "Poses", "Danny Boy") I really love, but it's outweighed by a lot of "okay, I'm impressed by the songcraft qua craft, but it sounds like a homework assignment from Goffin and King."

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 03:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Snarf.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 06:10 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
I bought a RW disc in Chicago 'cause they were playing 'im at The Chicago Diner, in Boys' Town. They said he comes there to eat sometimes.

Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (goodbra), Thursday, 14 September 2006 04:41 (seventeen years ago) link

the nasal bleating thing is annoying, someone so gaga over opera should pay attention to vocal technique

spot on. it's all one long, mumbled note. I have no idea why his vocals are so admired.

he makes me want to forcibly expunge his sinus bees.

guanoman (mister the guanoman), Thursday, 14 September 2006 06:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Snarf indeed. I love his version of hallelujah.. I dont know if that makes me a very bad person, I think it might.

Rowlando for the kidz (Sam Rowlands), Thursday, 14 September 2006 11:23 (seventeen years ago) link

i like his version of "he ain't heavy, he's my brother" over the hollies one.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 14 September 2006 12:48 (seventeen years ago) link

he's a lucky whore

Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Thursday, 14 September 2006 12:55 (seventeen years ago) link

WANT ONE still album of the decade so far, for me.

pisces (piscesx), Thursday, 14 September 2006 13:34 (seventeen years ago) link

he's a lucky whore

Hott.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 14 September 2006 14:26 (seventeen years ago) link

c'mon Momus, you're in no position to tell people off for wearing "rather pretentious robes".

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 14 September 2006 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link

just saw a pic of rufus with a full beard and thought "oh james murphy's slimming down"

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Sunday, 14 March 2021 17:22 (three years ago) link

anyway it's spring and that means poses sounds great again

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Sunday, 14 March 2021 17:23 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

RUFUS WAINWRIGHT ANNOUNCES RUFUS DOES JUDY AT CAPITOL STUDIOS

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AND SPECIAL MICRO-AUDIENCE MEMBER, 2X ACADEMY AWARD-WINNER RENÉE ZELLWEGER

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The first complete performance of the Rufus Does Judy tribute in five years, Rufus Does Judy at Capitol Studios will be commemorated with a limited edition t-shirt created for the occasion in partnership with Wainwright’s longtime friend, legendary designer Michael Kors. The t-shirts will be available via Rufus’ Merch Store and in Michael Kors Collection stores nationwide, with all proceeds benefiting LGBT human rights organization OutRight Action International through June – Pride Month 2021 – or while supplies last. The t-shirt marks the latest collaboration between Kors and Wainwright, whom earlier this month performed music for the blockbuster launch of Kors’ 40th-anniversary collection for Fall/Winter 2021.

Rufus Does Judy at Capitol Studios – which marks a rare complete performance of Wainwright’s now-legendary homage to 1961’s Judy Garland At Carnegie Hall – showcases more than twenty-five American standards spanning swing, jazz, and pop, including three songs by George & Ira Gershwin, two Rodgers & Hart classics, two from Howard Dietz & Arthur Schwartz, plus favorites by Harold Arlen, Yip Harburg, Irving Berlin, Noël Coward, and more. Among the highlights are such Garland signature songs as “The Man That Got Away,” “Zing! Went the Strings of My Heart,” “Swanee,” and of course, “Over The Rainbow,” along with a special bonus rendition of “Get Happy,” which was not performed by Garland at the original 1961 concert.

Wainwright’s sixth full-length release and first live album, Rufus Does Judy at Carnegie Hall was recorded and produced by Phil Ramone over two sold-out nights at Carnegie Hall, backed by a full 36-piece orchestra and special guest appearances from his sister Martha Wainwright, his mother Kate McGarrigle, and Garland’s daughter, Lorna Luft. The album proved an immediate cultural landmark, feted by worldwide media attention and critical acclaim while earning Wainwright his first-ever GRAMMY® Award nomination (for “Best Traditional Pop Vocal Album”).

Due to popular demand, Wainwright recreated his momentous tribute to Garland with sold-out, star-studded performances at such renowned venues as Paris’ L’Olympia, Los Angeles’ Hollywood Bowl, and the London Palladium, the latter of which was filmed and released on DVD as Rufus! Rufus! Rufus! Does Judy! Judy! Judy!: Live from the London Palladium.

Wainwright’s ninth studio LP and first new pop album since 2012, Unfollow The Rules finds the multi-faceted artist at the peak of his powers, entering artistic maturity with passion, honesty, and a newfound fearlessness while remaining as creative, bold, and mischievous as ever. Produced by Mitchell Froom (Crowded House, Paul McCartney, Randy Newman) at a variety of legendary Los Angeles studios, the album proved among last year’s most honored releases, earning a prestigious GRAMMY® Award nomination for “Best Traditional Pop Album” as well as a Juno Award nod for “Adult Alternative Album of the Year.”

Unfollow The Rules was further met by ecstatic critical acclaim from high-profile publications around the globe, with Uncut declaring it “a spectacular return to the tower of song and the game (Wainwright) plays best…brimming with memorable melodies, swooning arrangements and smart lyrics dreamily sung.” Unfollow The Rules is “a stately pop throwback full of (Wainwright’s) signature vocal grandeur,” enthused Rolling Stone, while Pitchfork praised the album as “an opulently crafted highlight reel, a career-spanning sampler of Wainwright’s styles and guises… his songwriting is as sharp and cheeky as ever.” “A timely reminder of everything that’s wonderful about Wainwright,” wrote CLASH’s Mat Smith in a 9/10 rave, noting the artist’s “effortlessly towering voice, taking on a spinetingling profundity and emotiveness reminiscent of The Righteous Brothers (both of them; together; at once!).” PopMatters praised Unfollow The Rules as “a lush and detailed sounding album,” adding, “It’s good to welcome the return of the new, improved, old-school Rufus.” “Unfollow the Rules marks a welcome return to the opulent orchestration of Wainwright’s early albums,” wrote The Guardian in its 4/5-starred review. “Wainwright’s ninth studio album is a lush, engaging study in domestic bliss…It’s good to have him back.” “(Wainwright) sings with contentment, not complacency, as he saunters through the corridors of his life,” applauded The Independent in its own 4/5-starred review, noting simply, “This is one of Wainwright’s finest albums.”

Last year saw Wainwright offering fans solace with his trailblazing #Quarantunes series of #RobeRecitals, presented daily via Instagram Live. The intimate performances – which saw the singer-songwriter supreme performing new songs from Unfollow The Rules alongside classic catalog favorites, surprising rarities, and beloved cover versions – were followed in June by Unfollow The Rules: The Paramour Session, a complete acoustic performance of the new album filmed live at the ballroom of Hollywood’s famed silent movie mansion, The Paramour Estate.

The first leg of A Rufus-Retro-Wainwright-Spective! kicked off in September, presented live from Wainwright’s living room in Laurel Canyon, joined by a weekly micro-audience that included Jamie Lee Curtis & Christopher Guest, Darren Criss, Joel McHale, among other icons and famous friends. The virtual tour of his wide-ranging catalogue earned applause from such media outlets as mxdwn.com, which hailed the concert series as a “deliciously casual offering to dedicated fans; an exclusive club for Wainwright enthusiasts to gather and exchange memories about their shared passion for his music. The live audience chat was a haven for nostalgia, sprinkled with the disparate musical experiences of followers around the world.”

An ingenious, compellingly charismatic live artist, Wainwright hopes to see his fans in person later this year on his long-awaited Unfollow The Rules Tour. For scheduled dates and other information, please visit rufuswainwright.com/tour.

dow, Monday, 3 May 2021 18:35 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Dunno the context, but this is really good:

Good god Rufus stop hurting em https://t.co/CnqW03z07Z

— Jason Isbell (@JasonIsbell) June 8, 2021

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 00:30 (two years ago) link

I always feel a bit guilty that his version of "One Man Guy" is maybe the recording of his I return to most regularly (even though LWIII's own stuff leaves me totally cold from what I've heard)

― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, July 15, 2020 3:22 PM

same

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 00:34 (two years ago) link

That was amazing, Josh, thanks for posting it. I spent the whole song curiously thinking he sounded a bit like Sting (even though no one sounds like Sting, really) and then only realised at the end that that was Sting next to him and that that was a Sting song.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 01:43 (two years ago) link

Alfred I appreciate u

that performance is really nice

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 01:51 (two years ago) link

Man, that was indeed good, thanks. Is that Christian McBride playing upright?

AP Chemirocha (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 10:55 (two years ago) link

Probably. Didn’t know they had a thing together.

AP Chemirocha (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 10:58 (two years ago) link

Which is what made me think of Rufus for the first time in eons, tbh, so when I saw the Isbell link it caught my eye.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 11:53 (two years ago) link

FWIW, I only saw him live once, c. the first album, in a tiny club with iirc Tegan and Sara opening. They all were massively entertaining and killed it, at least as I remember it.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 11:55 (two years ago) link

I’ve seen him live… I think five times? Large and small venues over the last 15+ years. Never been disappointed.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 15:18 (two years ago) link

Yall got me flashing back to YouTubed concert footage: he's disconcerted by guest shot ov raw, killin'-it teen Martha, but, "My Mother would kill me if I didn't let her do this." Mom knew best.

dow, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 18:31 (two years ago) link

Invasion of the Martha thread, sry

dow, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 18:33 (two years ago) link

I saw him touring Poses, opening for Roxy Music in 2001. He did fine but an arena was probably not the best venue for low-key charm.

There was an annoying music writer in the local alt-weekly who made a point, every time that Martha was mentioned, of tossing in an aside about how Rufus must be dying of jealousy, shaking with fear, why doesn't Rufus just pack it in, etc. etc. etc.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 20:19 (two years ago) link

Heh I'm sure he can handle it. (Looking fwd to her new alb btw)

dow, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 21:05 (two years ago) link

Oh, I didn't feel bad for Rufus, it was just such a corny attitude (and assumption that they were in competition, or she needed boosting).

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 21:37 (two years ago) link

I was lucky to see him in a very small setting - basically someone's fancy back yard. His young daughter was in the front row and was basically heckling him the whole time. It was hilarious / adorable.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 21:59 (two years ago) link

Seen him twice: once at a free show at a bar in London, Ontario in advance of the debut's release (before the show, I asked him if it was OK if I took pictures, and he asked that I only do so during the guitar songs), and then again on that Poses tour with Tegan and Sara, at the Toronto bar where Queer as Folk was filmed.

edited for dog profanity (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 9 June 2021 22:32 (two years ago) link


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