slowdive: classic or dud?

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Now we're talking! Medicine's first album is a total classic. Very good take on MBV. Ahem...good drug album too, so I've been told. :)

Omar, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

1. We do seem to cover everything in the end... I mean, I was thinking of posting this question a few months ago, but thought it would be laughed off the web.

2. Someone said that threads went missing. Indeed. What's happened to my 'Stephin Merritt' (Search & Destroy) thread?

3. I like the first Slowdive LP a lot.

the pinefox, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Bah, Medicine! Crap, all of it. Had the misfortune to see one of their earliest gigs, hated it, hated them from birth to death. Weak cheese and then some.

Brad Laner is a friendly guy to talk to, and his Electric Company stuff is flat out amazing (as is his production for bands like the astounding Furry Things). But Medicine? No, and no again.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Shame on you, Ned, and you were going up in my estimation until you blew it by dissing Medicine. "Shot forth..." is a great album, though listening to it with hindsight it sounds more psychedelic than shoegazing. Still...

Slowdive, f***ing loved 'em. Saw them supporting Ride in early '91, fantastic gig, could hear a word of vocals through their set, just guitars set on 'ethereal stun'. Nobody seems to have mentioned the transitional '5EP' EP, from late '93, when they stopped playing guitars and started to do more ambient/electronica stuff, very nice indeed. It all seemed to match up with what Chapterhouse were trying to do, but the 'House boys got Global Communication in to remix an album (which was great) rather than Reload (the same people) to remix a song (which was still great). I think they toured in late '93 together with Reload / GC as support. Now I'd say '93 was a better year than '94, early Seefeel records, the first Insides album, Spoonfed Hybrid etc....

Anyway, Slowdive - all their albums were great, though "Pygmalion" is the best, all the singles were great too. And to whoever mentioned Eternal, it was only second guitarist Christian who played on the one and only Eternal single on Sarah, but that's a cool semi-shoegazing single too. The first Mojave 3 album was a good late night listen but after the second one tried to hard to be Bob Dylan I gave up, I'm afraid.

Now Moose.... what a band! Their first two EPs and the first Revolver EP were the soundtrack to the best summer of my life. Happy days!

Rob M, Tuesday, 22 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hey, musically I don't care about anyone's estimation but my own, and if I had worthy experiences with Medicine I'd tell you -- AND I DIDN'T. EAT IT, BOY, EAT IT!

Good taste you've got there otherwise, though. ;-) Though Revolver? I don't know, they seemed fairly blah. Early Moose is worthy, however.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two months pass...
Slowdive was brilliant, although it took me a while to get into Pygmalion, and I was initially dissapointed with the first listening.. Mojave 3? well, it's not Slowdive, but the first release has momentary flickers of their former Slowdive-esque sound. I'm suprised nobody mentioned the AMAZING Ride album "Nowhere". Dreams Burn Down is one my my altime fav's.. just a thought. BTW.. to whoever mentioned it earlier.. I like 'Swirls' too.

Trevor S, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two years pass...
Revive!! The only Medicine song I really dig is the one where they strum the guitar once and just let it resonate for several minutes. It's the first song on one of their albums - you know the one I mean.

Aaaaanyway, I've been trying to get everything by this here Slowdive band I can get my hands on. The bloody Pygmalion record's been setting me back around 75 bucks on Ebay! But it's all worth it, 'caue it's fucking ACE!! Strange, though. I find My Bloody Valentine boring as church, so why the hell do I like their much-less-acclaimed knockoff artists so much better? Y'know: Slowdive, Ride, Bark Psychosis, Disco Inferno. Strange, strange musical tastes I got.

BEST SLOWDIVE LP: Sure, Souvlaki is pop first class, but that Pygmalion, man. She's a damn ambient MASTERPIECE. Best "ambient" "chillout" whateveryacallit album EVER! Who's with me??

Somebody do a Slowdive CD80 mix CD!! There's still loads of stuff I haven't heard yet. Morningrise?? The self-titled debut EP?? Holding Our Breath?? I wouldn't know it!!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 23:27 (twenty years ago) link

I got the OOP Blue Day EP on ebay, do you want to do a CDR trade?

As for why you prefer Slowdive to MBV, my guess is it's more dream pop than shoegazey? That's my reason, anyhow, since in my book Cocteaus trump MBV.

Leee Iacocca (Leee), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 23:36 (twenty years ago) link

Classic if only for "Souvlaki Space Station" alone, which sends me swooning.

Mojave 3? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....................

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 23:37 (twenty years ago) link

Slowdive are excellent. Souvlaki is wonderful, like something between Loveless and Disintegration.

Stupid (Stupid), Wednesday, 10 December 2003 23:40 (twenty years ago) link

Mojave 3 are lovely. I want to like Slowdive but the production sounds too dated and the overall sound too unicorn-y for me.

Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:03 (twenty years ago) link

Dated?

How could a person go through life thinking Slowdive's production sounds 'dated'? I mean... this would mean you couldn't appreciate ANYTHING from the 80s! I pity your existance.

Stupid (Stupid), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:08 (twenty years ago) link

Hmm, well, I kinda have a soft spot for Stacey Q.

Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:10 (twenty years ago) link

"Hmm, well, I kinda have a soft spot for Stacey Q."

...you're a monster...

Stupid (Stupid), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:13 (twenty years ago) link

I'm listening to Just For A Day and it sounds like it should be the soundtrack to Lord of the Rings.

Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:15 (twenty years ago) link

Sarah's got a point -- I'm a person who barely listens to any 80s music at all. I sort of hold my breath when I listen to Just for a day, but the other stuff sounds good.

Leee Iacocca (Leee), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:18 (twenty years ago) link

I'm listening to Just For A Day and it sounds like it should be the soundtrack to Lord of the Rings.

Utterly befuddling?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:20 (twenty years ago) link

"Just for a Day" is the only CD I've ever sold back. Not that it was so bad, it was just, disappointing after the excellent EPs. I wrote them off after that and Souvlaki sounds a little too gothy now.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:22 (twenty years ago) link

I do not understand people who don't listen to music from the 80s.

As far as I'm concerned, music was INVENTED in the 80s (or mor specifially, with Joy Division). Anything before that is just proto-music.

Stupid (Stupid), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:22 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, I felt the same thing when I went back to listen to them a couple months ago. There's good dated and then there's bad dated, and uh.. some of their stuff would fall into the second category now, I'm afraid.

may pang (maypang), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:22 (twenty years ago) link

Well, you're wrong. Uh yeah. Grr!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:25 (twenty years ago) link

Who's wrong?

Stupid (Stupid), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:26 (twenty years ago) link

May is! (Actually I kid. I just know I AM RIGHT.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:28 (twenty years ago) link

Ahhh good. I thought you meant I was wrong. I'm not wrong. Music was invented at the start of the 80s and perfected by it's end.

Stupid (Stupid), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:29 (twenty years ago) link

there was some pretty darn perfect music in '82

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:29 (twenty years ago) link

I wish I could pick out exactly what it is that makes certain 80's records unlistenable to me. I have Taco's first album in two formats, people, but I still can't listen to certain highly-regarded bands from the era without wanting to put something else on.

Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:31 (twenty years ago) link

I know what it is Sarah, I used to have it too, but The Cure made me realize that underneath the 'dated' synth and drum sounds there's some of the most beautiful, creative and WELL PRODUCED music ever.

Once again I find myself stressing the words JOY DIVISION.

Stupid (Stupid), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:33 (twenty years ago) link

I like Joy Division.

Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:34 (twenty years ago) link

as spencer says, the first lp is a little disappointing after the 1st 3 eps were so good

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:34 (twenty years ago) link

I don't like JD. *runs*

Leee Iacocca (Leee), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:35 (twenty years ago) link

"I like Joy Division."

Good. You can work from there.

Some people say soul is the basis for a good taste in music, but I say it's Joy Division.

Stupid (Stupid), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:39 (twenty years ago) link

the new mojave 3 is wonderful, it's pleasing and pleasant in that gorky's kind of way and it is less of the classic songwriting ned fears so. i am anxious to hear rachel goswell's solo record next year, her one mojave 3 contribution was fantastic. just for a day is the pop record and it's nearly perfect really. erik's song-so pretty and then there is primal, who could withstand the beauty of primal?

keith m (keithmcl), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:51 (twenty years ago) link

Stacey Q > Slowdive (I only know one song by each though).

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:59 (twenty years ago) link

rachel's song on the last couple of M3 albums has been the best track

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:59 (twenty years ago) link

classic for 'pygmalion' alone -- quintessential acid-comedown-during-the-sunrise music!

geeta (geeta), Thursday, 11 December 2003 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I'd love to compile those first 3 EPs on a CD. Does anyone have this "Blue Day" disc?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 11 December 2003 01:01 (twenty years ago) link

The latest Mojave 3 album's a bit too wanky sounding for me and yeah, it probably could've used some Rachel in there too.

may pang (maypang), Thursday, 11 December 2003 01:03 (twenty years ago) link

What exactly is this "classic songwriting," Ned?

Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Thursday, 11 December 2003 01:06 (twenty years ago) link

"What exactly is this "classic songwriting," Ned?"

I'm guessing the traditional 60s/70s derived Beatles fodder.

If I'm right, I like Ned even more than I thought I did.

Stupid (Stupid), Thursday, 11 December 2003 01:12 (twenty years ago) link

It's not so much the songwriting itself as it is the blind worship of that time/place/style as being the only correct one. Well, fuck that noise, but I've said that enough times over the moons on this board.

I'd love to compile those first 3 EPs on a CD

Having done this, I can assure you it's worthy. Blue Day is an incomplete compilation of these tracks.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 December 2003 03:57 (twenty years ago) link

what tracks are left off? i have all 3 EPs

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 11 December 2003 03:59 (twenty years ago) link

stacey q urinates on slowdive from r kelly heights.

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 04:00 (twenty years ago) link

good for her

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 11 December 2003 04:01 (twenty years ago) link

toot toot

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 11 December 2003 04:02 (twenty years ago) link

There is pervertalism here I will have no truck with.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 December 2003 04:06 (twenty years ago) link

Anyway, the missing three songs are "Avalyn II," "Golden Hair" (a Syd Barrett-reworks-James Joyce cover) and "Catch the Breeze," which admittedly is unchanged from Just For a Day.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 December 2003 04:07 (twenty years ago) link

I listened to Pygmalion tonight after reading this thread -- it remains unbelievably beautiful.

Clarke B., Thursday, 11 December 2003 04:20 (twenty years ago) link

Does anyone have this "Blue Day" disc?

Waaah no one reads my posts waaaah

Leee Iacocca (Leee), Thursday, 11 December 2003 05:27 (twenty years ago) link

i have slowdive live at band explosion sept 91, which im going to mp3 at some point. actually, i have it on video as well, if i can figure out how to convert that

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 11 December 2003 08:22 (twenty years ago) link

Curious all this Slowdive love at the mo because only last week I dug out an old tape - unmarked as usual - and found it was a Slowdive live set recorded for Peel in the autumn of '91, followed by the superb Telescopes session from the same month. That's been played a lot at home, and I've got "Pgymalion" waiting to play on the way home tonight, it's a late night train journey in the dark kind of CD and that's what's happening tonight.

No love for the "5EP" here? That's like the perfect mid-point between "Pygmalion" and "Souvlaki". I think I'll have to compile all the EPs together at some point, should make for a stunning collection.

Rob M (Rob M), Thursday, 11 December 2003 09:18 (twenty years ago) link

i posted the info this thread: Slowdive - s/t (2017): let's rejoice, shall we? - new album everything is alive is out september 1

ufo, Friday, 16 June 2023 20:59 (ten months ago) link

https://www.reddit.com/r/Slowdive/comments/149cqcn/information_on_the_upcoming_new_album/

here's the press release that was accidentally put up early

ufo, Friday, 16 June 2023 21:41 (ten months ago) link

Nice, thanks!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 June 2023 21:48 (ten months ago) link

Sounds absolutely great. The s/t remains hard to top as far as comeback albums go, and sometimes it's the slowdive I want to listen to the most.

omar little, Friday, 16 June 2023 21:54 (ten months ago) link

Yeah the strength of that as well as the tour makes me very excited about this new one.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 June 2023 21:58 (ten months ago) link

STOKED

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 17 June 2023 01:55 (ten months ago) link

In unrelated news I bought a “cloud reverb” pedal and spent the morning blissfully playing “Rutti”, most fun I’ve had on a guitar in a while.

assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 17 June 2023 02:09 (ten months ago) link

sometimes it's the slowdive I want to listen to the most.

Also true for me, if only because I've listened to Souvlaki 67,354 times

Vinnie, Saturday, 17 June 2023 02:17 (ten months ago) link

New Music. Tomorrow. 20/06/2023.#slowdive2023 pic.twitter.com/RxVjah8rF6

— Slowdive (@slowdiveband) June 19, 2023

groovypanda, Monday, 19 June 2023 12:22 (ten months ago) link

new song is fine but nothing to be excited about, but that's also how i felt about the singles from the last album and the rest was much stronger

ufo, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 08:12 (ten months ago) link

New song is so similar to 2017 album in production and effects that it could have been discarded material from those recording sessions. Not complaining at all, though, and looking very forward to the new LP.

Melomane, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 08:32 (ten months ago) link

In the last couple of years, I've found myself listening to the self-titled far more than I have the classics. Excited for the tour, I think they sound better now than they ever did then.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 10:13 (ten months ago) link

Seconding that. The only other band of their time that has had as equally a monumental second act like this has been Suede.

Tour dates! See you at the Warfield!

--

June 24: Exeter, UK – Phoenix [sold out]
June 25: Glastonbury Festival, UK
July 17: Perth, Aus - Astor Theatre [sold out]
July 19: Brisbane, Aus - Princess Theatre [sold out]
July 21: Sydney, Aus - Enmore Theatre
July 22: Melbourne, Aus – Forum [sold out]
July 23 :Adelaide, Aus – Hindley St Music Hall
July 26, Auckland, NZ – Powerstation [sold out]
July 29: Fuji Rock Festival, Japan
August 5: Off Festival, Poland
August 11: Ypsigrock Festival, Sicily
August 18: Green Man Festival, Wales
September 23: Toronto, ON - Queen Elizabeth Theatre
September 25: Boston, MA – Citizens House of Blues Boston
September 27: NYC, NY - Webster Hall
September 28: NYC, NY - Webster Hall
September 29: Philadelphia, PA - Union Transfer
September 30: Washington, DC - 930 Club
October 2: Cleveland, OH - The Roxy @ Mahall’s
October 3: Chicago, IL - Riviera Theatre
October 4: St. Paul, MN - Palace Theatre
October 6: Denver, CO – Cervantes’ Masterpiece Ballroom
October 7: Salt Lake City, UT – The Union
October 9: Portland, OR - Crystal Ballroom
October 10: Seattle, WA - Showbox SoDo
October 12: San Francisco, CA – The Warfield
October 14: Los Angeles, CA – The Bellwether
Oct 30 - Glasgow, UK - QMU
Oct 31 - Manchester, UK - 02 Ritz
Nov 1 – Bristol, UK - SWX
Nov 3 – London, UK – The Troxy
Nov 5 – Belfast, UK – Mandela Hall
Nov 6 – Dublin, Eire – National Stadium

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 14:28 (ten months ago) link

Slowdive summer starts now!

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Tuesday, 20 June 2023 15:07 (ten months ago) link

Swervedriver also came back really strong, to name another "shoegaze" act of their time more or less.

But his face would not turn into hot Kirby (Evan), Tuesday, 20 June 2023 15:12 (ten months ago) link

New album thread, as I feel they are big enough to warrant:

Slowdive - Everything Is Alive

Bee OK, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 15:44 (ten months ago) link

Glastonbury set

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0ftbbgd/glastonbury-slowdive

koogs, Tuesday, 27 June 2023 21:40 (nine months ago) link

six months pass...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001tpns

The Morning After Mix
Slowdive curate the perfect two-hour mix to bring in the New Year

(10 days left)

tracklisting

1 Micheal Rother - Katzenmusik 2
2 Ash Ra Tempel - Deep Distance
3 Gal Costa - Presente Cotidiano
4 Selda Bağcan - Yaylalar
5 Broadcast - Where youth and laughter go
6 Pentangle - Light Flight
7 Rino(IO)DJ - Decadance
8 Bernthøler - My Suitor
9 Cindy - Never let me go
10 Neon Indian - Arm Around You
11 Beachwood Sparks - By Your Side
12 Mike Melvoin & Alessi Brothers - Seabird
13 Steve Grey & The Walker Brothers - Nite Flights
14 Love - Alone Again Or
15 The Rolling Stones - Play With Fire
16 John Cale - Andalucia
17 Low - Lullaby
18 Loma - Who Is Speaking?
19 Squirrel Flower - Deluge In The South
20 Kate Bush - This Woman's Work
21 Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds - Into My Arms
22 Jo Beth Young - Wolf Song
23 Nadia Reid - Heart to Ride
24 PJ Harvey - Lwonesome Tonight
25 Lichen Slow - Hobbies
26 Brian Eno - The Big Ship (2004 Digital Remaster)
27 Electric Youth - The Seeker
28 Lightning Bug - September Song, pt. ii
29 Sufjan Stevens - All of Me Wants All of You

koogs, Friday, 19 January 2024 12:11 (three months ago) link

is it just me or is it a bit ehhh

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 19 January 2024 13:01 (three months ago) link

baby it's you

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 19 January 2024 17:46 (three months ago) link


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