Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

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My problem is that I never thought Troi was all that attractive. I mean, Dr. Crusher had more going for her on a purely physical level, IMO, and she wasn't saddled with blurting out painfully obvious lines that inadvertantly made the rest of the crew seem retarded for not being able to pick up on obvious visual cues.

On the other hand, Troi's mother was AWESOME.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

dan, you're scaring me now.

gareth, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Troi's Mom more attractive than Troi? Dan, you really are the Evil Clown ;-)

And the original ST's music was Varese-influenced, hey? Hmmmm ... never knew that! Maybe I should go over to that "Who Opened Your Ears" thread in ILM and change an answer or two of mine :-)

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link


Troi's mom was cooler than Troi, not more attractive! Aigh, my eyes!

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Trying to advance the human race through space diplomacy... until they kill all the people [aliens] at the end of the episode/movie. At least Star Wars was honest.

JM, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Why, Dan, why can't you admit that you've got some love of the grey in you? Before Joei came along, I'm sure you were searching for your own Mrs. Robinson for after-school lessons...

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

star wars, honest? it makes no fuckin sense. darth vader tells luke that if he strikes out against him in anger then he will become just like him, and then luke strikes out in anger, and then he wins and everyone's happy? that whole movie is shit anyway because george lucas had an INFINITE fucking pool of ideas to choose from and a huge budget to carry it out, and what does he do? ANOTHER death star and ANOTHER darth/luke lightsaber battle. fuck george lucas, the only good one was empire strikes back and he didn't direct that.

troi: not attractive.

crusher: nuh-uh.

troi's mom: uh.

that guy who was troi's mom's butler or something and was the guy who played lurch in the addams family movies: mrowr.

question: who liked first contact? it was like a next generation episode, only like, cool. plus, supercool supporting cast with alfre woodard and the farmer guy from babe.

someone start a star wars thread so i can bitch about how much that sucks except for empire strikes back.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

1) There already is a Star Wars thread, it should be in the 'films' category, though it might be under 'culture', not sure.
2) First Contact was wicked at the cinema, but overall I found it a bit disappointing they had to spend the middle part of the film trying to make it like 'Aliens'.

DG, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the way the guys in the red shirts who form part of the away team with the main characters always get killed. Original series only for me, Dr McCoy is great! I wish I could be more like Spock.

james e l, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, this is great, I was expecting to be beaten about the head by fans of TNG...the original series rules!

DG, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm glad they tried to make the middle of it like aliens. aliens was wicked. anything that makes next generation have more explosions and blood is good.

hey i just remembered something else i liked in next generation, although it's from that bastard movie where kirk dies (falling off a walkway! the fuck? he's saved the universe like two hundred times and he falls of a walkway and dies? fuck). um anyway, i liked when data said 'shit'.

ethan, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Counsellor Trios ass and tits were ok, but that nose ruined all. Still I bet Riker would often chuckle with Warf about how if she had a abg over her head he'd do her, and then Warf would probaby say "Yeah, and her fore head isnt bumpy enough". There was an episode when the crew was all morphin ginto prehistoric froms of themselves and Warf came on to Trio by saying "GET OUT OF THAT BATH! " and biting her. Not very romantic, those Vulcans.

Mike Hanley, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Riker and Picard are both closeted fags ( in trek and IRL)

anthony, Tuesday, 24 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

THey didn't seem to be too closeted to me. PIcard always strutted about like a flamboyant ass -peacock in heat.

Mike Hanle y, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I kinda like Enterprise, especially that superflous shower scene in the first epidode. And the 80's power ballad theme tune is great.

jel --, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Jel, are you on Klingon Krack? That is the worst theme song ever ever ever!

Andrew L, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Andrew said it all. Jel, you have given way to insanity.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Riker was surely a weak attempt at a Kirk junior. Troi was hilarious. On the viewscreen appears some sweaty guy with his clothes torn and blood running down one shoulder, screaming in the background, phaser blasts zooming past his ears saying "No, no, everything is fine. DON'T BRING ANY WEAPONS WHEN YOU BEAM DOWN!" and she says "Captain - I sense he may not be telling us the whole truth".

Andrew L has not mentioned his great expertness in this area, for some reason. I know about it because I very briefly worked under him on a Star Trek magazine!

Martin Skidmore, Friday, 26 July 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Nope, the theme tune is definetely great. Sort of like all those brilliant power ballads that were number one in the 1980's. Anyway, the new captain is about to probe a planet...

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Another new euphemism! But you're still insane, Jel.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw an episode of Enterprise that featured a lacrosse game on a desert planet played in slow motion. I felt like I was watching an extended Abercrombie and Fitch ad.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I hated TNG - data,wesley and riker's beardless phases espesh. voyager had that one cool story about that temporal ship, DS9 was mostly good - playing up the existence of factions within cultures/races - the plot arc better than that on the later Babylon5.

Enterprise - trip is annoying but that vulcan's fit.

s.r.w. (s.r.w.), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

today is actually the first time I got around to watching a full episode of enterprise and its not bad in a back-to-basics way but please drop the theme tune please (I didn't watch any becuz I was in canada and I ddin't watch any telly for 3 months apart from world cup).

first series: like what i haf seen but haven't watched many episodes.

Next generation: only reached goodeness after the Borg came in the picture.

Deep space nine: deeply flawed (a space station in the middle of nowhere and they had to make a war to make it interesting so it had problems just like next generation) though I did watch most of it.

Voyager: the absolute fucking classic. They are stranded and haf to go back but they explore the other side of the quadrant which means all sorts of storylines, (this aspect is exploited to the full) and if that isn't enough then here are the words that settle this argument.


The woman of my dreams (Troi is an ugly witch compared to my seven). She's like Data (both trying to gain 'humanity') but she's a woman. And what a woman. Then the doctor who i think is rilly rilly funny too.

I was pissed off that my brother missed taping two episodes and I made him aware of that to say the least(only six were taped, I had to spend all night watching them on the day i got back from canada and it was time well spent though seven is breaking my heart trying to 'get' chakotay).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 21 August 2002 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

The original series had those cool mini-skirt uniforms, beehive hair styles, & Klingons as thinly disguised Cold war-era Russians. What's not to like?

(Fun fact: The student services building at my school is called the William Shatner building & even has the Shatner Ballroom. Classic!)

Miss Laura, Thursday, 22 August 2002 08:17 (seventeen years ago) link

students, what will they think of next? the little rascals.

angela, Thursday, 22 August 2002 08:49 (seventeen years ago) link

julio: "why you little **** you forgot to tape two episodes"

julio's brother: "quit yer whining improv-boy, i taped seven of nine" (or it may be "13 of 15 etc etc")


mark s (mark s), Thursday, 22 August 2002 10:03 (seventeen years ago) link

i never really got into star trek, but archer is best. because he's scott bakula. and scott bakula is yum.

g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 22 August 2002 10:22 (seventeen years ago) link

''julio's brother: "quit yer whining improv-boy, i taped seven of nine"''

heh. Alex (my brother's name) would never say 'improv' as he doesn't know what that is. or wants to know.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 22 August 2002 10:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Has anyone yet mentioned the "Even Star Trek films good, odd Star Trek films pants" theory?

Good: Wrath Of Khan, The Voyage Home (time travel, whales), The Undiscovered Country (Peace with the Klingons), First Contact (The Borg hit Earth), hopefully Nemesis

Bad: Star Trek: the Motionless Picture, The Search For Spock, The Final Frontier (Crazy Vulcan searches for God), Generations (Malcom MacDowell froths, Kirk dies), Insurrections (not that terrible, just a double length TNG episode).

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 22 August 2002 10:51 (seventeen years ago) link

hopefully Nemesis

Having finally seen the trailer, my hopes for the film are now quite high.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:08 (seventeen years ago) link

My sweetie was excited about the new movie, but then he heard Wil Wheaton was goint to be in it and was massively disapointed. It was funny...

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Wil Wheaton was going to be in it

ARGH. Now I'm massively disappointed as well!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

nah i'm pretty sure Wesley got left on the cutting room floor... there was an Empire article about this but their website is currently down, so can't check. i'm pretty sure tho like i say.

katie (katie), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link

The world, including the acting world, is full of beautiful women. Presumably if you're making a high-profile TV SF show, it's not hard to get some beautiful women to appear in it.

So while I can see the intrinsic appeal of the attractiveness of the women in late STrek progs, I can't see it as a tribute to the imagination, skill and integrity of the programme makers.

the pinefox, Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

nah i'm pretty sure Wesley got left on the cutting room floor...

There is hope left in this sad world.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link


Riker and Troi get married in the new movie...

Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link

So I heard. About damn time!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 22 August 2002 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link

It'll be pointless without Wil Wheaton. Hehe!

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 22 August 2002 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
Well, all I have to say is that due to some oddball local film fest thing at a theater near here every Wednesday night for summer, they're showing a mixed bag of modern classics and cultish films and all, and tonight was one of the three or four Trek films they're doing, and it was Wrath of Khan, the only one which I never actually saw in the theater on first release. Went with my coworker and Shatner obsessive Tom as well as a slew of friends in the area, lousy print, had a great time anyway.

And of course:


Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 August 2004 05:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Sweet! Trek thread revived! I'll be a crass Trekkie and say that my favorite film remains First Contact even though it ruined the Borg forever.

Jimmy Carter, History's Greatest Monster (Leee), Thursday, 5 August 2004 05:16 (fifteen years ago) link

I'll admit to STILL never having seen a whole episode of Enterprise. Am I really missing much?

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 5 August 2004 05:24 (fifteen years ago) link

i really like STar Trek The Motion Picture. I think it's very underrated. It looks awesome, the whole feel of the film is kind of spaced out and creepy, it has a sexy bald woman.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 5 August 2004 05:25 (fifteen years ago) link

with a cool name Persis Khambatta.

H (Heruy), Thursday, 5 August 2004 05:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Star Trek is totally classic up through Next Generation and excepting The Voyage Home and that fucked up movie where Kirk & Picard meet and like, totally chill on this desert planet and stuff. I saw it when it first came out; I was ten. It didn't have enough AWESOME BORG ACTION, which is why First Contact was more up my alley. DS9 was kinda cool, but again, I wanted ACTION along with my INTENSE SPACE STATION DRAMA.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Thursday, 5 August 2004 06:04 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh so classic, and timely! I've just been on a binge, watching No. II, III, and IV this week. 'Search For Spock' is perennially underrated; cut out some of the junk on the Genesis planet, and it's a fantastic, if rather dark film. Up next is VI, completing the only 4 films that I ever get the urge to see. I and V are disasters, and I really only fell in love with the original crew. CBC showed them in syndication when it was one of two channels we got, so I've seen most of them, compared with the maybe 20-25 Next Generation episodes that I managed to catch in hotel rooms, etc.`

Between the ages of 11 and 16 or so, I collected some 100+ of the novels, which I'm hoping to pick up out of storage from my parents' house for some between-semesters pulp reading. Because they were all from different authors, they ran the range of being shoot-em-up's, cheesy comedies, psychological thrillers, and really quite provocative sci-fi that just happened to have the Star Trek characters involved.

derrick (derrick), Thursday, 5 August 2004 07:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Classic in small doses.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 5 August 2004 08:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Because they were all from different authors, they ran the range of being shoot-em-up's, cheesy comedies, psychological thrillers, and really quite provocative sci-fi that just happened to have the Star Trek characters involved.

Hm, that actually would be a good way to get in some sharp ideas via a larger superstructure. Wonder if the Star Wars novels have said range. (I am not anxious to find out for myself.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 August 2004 15:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Classic in large doses...anyone want to lend me a few seasons of DS9 dvds?

I remember it getting pretty good near the end, although I only caught episodes here and there.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 August 2004 15:06 (fifteen years ago) link


Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Thursday, 5 August 2004 15:07 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, i had a bunch of those novels too. threw a whole bunch out a few years ago but hung on to a few which were of markedly superior quality. I even have some based on the animated series whicvh i kept coz i live the covers so much.

H (Heruy), Thursday, 5 August 2004 15:43 (fifteen years ago) link

I had Nemesis and First Contact confused, Data sacrificing his human skin in the latter. Zero memory of the Nemesis plot aside from Romulans hellbent on revenge.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 22 July 2019 03:30 (four months ago) link

Spoiler alert on the second worst Star Trek movie I guess

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 22 July 2019 03:30 (four months ago) link

my worst is generations, followed by nemesis, what's yours?

adam the (abanana), Monday, 22 July 2019 06:01 (four months ago) link

The Undiscovered Country followed by Nemesis

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 22 July 2019 06:08 (four months ago) link

Oops, the Undiscovered Country is great, I mean Star Trek V: The Final Frontier is the worst

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 22 July 2019 06:09 (four months ago) link

lmao at this early tom hardy eccentricity from the nemesis wiki

Tom Hardy made his only appearance in the Star Trek franchise as Praetor Shinzon, the leader of the Romulan people. Baird and Berman had been looking for someone who resembled Patrick Stewart but aged about 25 years younger; at one point they had considered Jude Law. Baird specifically wanted an unknown actor, and Hardy auditioned by tape after Stewart asked Hardy's agent if they thought any of their clients were suitable for the role. Hardy was filming Simon: An English Legionnaire in Morocco at the time,[4] and decided against using the requested piece for the audition. Instead he came into the possession of a full script for Nemesis and used a different part of the script, and filmed it partly nude.[5] He was flown to Los Angeles to do a screen test with Stewart, and Hardy later described his performance there as "appalling".

Is no one else unnerved by the notion of Picard keeping Data in a suitcase under his bed all these years

My nephew accidentally swalled five quarters and thee dimes. (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 July 2019 11:47 (four months ago) link

where else would one keep one's positronic fleshlight

i regret this

This is why you don't throw a gauntlet down in my presence, u see.

My nephew accidentally swalled five quarters and thee dimes. (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 July 2019 14:01 (four months ago) link

Disco, Lower Decks cartoon, and Picard summary from SDCC:

Coelacanth Green (Leee), Monday, 22 July 2019 21:42 (four months ago) link

Lower Decks sounds a little like Red Shirts: The Animated Series.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 22 July 2019 22:03 (four months ago) link

Trailer breakdown, if you're inclined:

Mild spoiler but you won't believe how they have a 'so-and-so days since an accident' workplace humor style joke in here.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 22 July 2019 22:08 (four months ago) link

just finished the dvd box of TOS and am watching the little extras on the last disk

didn't know this about Scotty: Landed on Juno Beach on D-Day as a member of the Royal Canadian Artillery... He was hit by four bullets to the leg, his middle finger of his right hand was shot off, and a bullet struck his chest. His life was saved when that hit a silver cigarette case which had been given to him by his brother.

meanwhile, george takai was in an american internment camp.

koogs, Sunday, 28 July 2019 18:56 (four months ago) link

Doohan’s son posted a nice thread about this on the anniversary this year.

Artillery Lt. Doohan was one of 14,000 Canadian soldiers who stormed the beach. He once said they were more afraid of drowning than the actual battle. He led his men across an anti-tank mine field. Fortunately none exploded as the men weren’t heavy enough to activate them...

— Chris Doohan (@ChrisDoohan) June 6, 2019

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 29 July 2019 03:49 (four months ago) link

Some have asked if Dad visited Normandy after #DDay. He made a trip back in 1984...a very emotional day.

— Chris Doohan (@ChrisDoohan) June 7, 2019

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 29 July 2019 03:50 (four months ago) link

I just rewatched Star Trek VI, and utterly forgot the arc of Kim Cattrall's role.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 July 2019 03:55 (four months ago) link

Picard's getting most of the hype right now, but I'm also really looking forward to Lower Decks!

Coelacanth Green (Leee), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 18:40 (four months ago) link

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