Would Anyone Still Vote Labour?

Or maybe he's just a right wing cunt.

Yes, it means that the Tories are more likely to win

Why?

What makes you think they'd be inclined to vote Labour if they were to vote Dada?

Because the people who put New Labour in power are Tory voters at heart.

But when the Bee-Enned Peas are doing well it tends to be in poorer areas doesn't it? The poorer and younger you are the easier it is to nudge you rightwards (or rather reactionary behaviour, rather than conservatism itself), no?

Progressive politics: is what is needed

Bill of Rights
PR voting system
scrap ID cards [this is new labour's poll tax..that will ultimately lead to their downfall]
scrap tuition fees
introduce 50p top band of tax for over 100K income
Tax incentives for business that create jobs in Britain..and penalties for those that outsource British jobs outside of EU
get out of Iraq

If there's no chance of it happening then how is it any more of a surefire way of them winning than say, all Tories switching their votes to Labour?

Then they can be all 'hray' when they do.

Basically, people end up voting for whoever they think is going to win.

except the people who vote Lib Dem etc?

Flourishes is putting it a bit strongly

is this at all true?

you can still win the actual MP vote innit.

The home secretary told a Westminster lunch the fact Mr Dromey did not know about the loans meant "you have to wonder how well he was doing his work".

It's like that Mad magazine line where a pedestrian knocked 20 feet into the air by a police car 'was today charged with leaving the scene of an accident'.

The other sensible labour counter seems to be that actually many of the protesters were arrested under the policing act of last year not the public order act & it’s like no shit you gallus pricks, we want that fascist law repealed too

It was a whole thing!!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/11/female-labour-mp-accuses-shadow-minister-of-sexual-assault

She is reluctant to make a formal complaint through Labour’s own independent complaints system, although she was encouraged to, as she felt his popularity within the party would not help her case.

This does not sound good in any way.

so she's basically saying Labour's independent complaints system tends to ignore serious complaints made against MP's if they are high profile front benchers, colour me surprised.

For gods' sake please don't vote for this cunt

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-real-conservatives-keir-starmer-protect-way-life-2337576

I always thought the only reason he didn't join the Conservative Party was a sense of embarrassment about his stupid Labour history geek name. But at least now he explains why he didn't need to do it.

>>> insisting his party’s transformation will be like “Clause IV on steroids” – a reference to Sir Tony’s decision to abandon the goal of common ownership of industry – with a focus on putting communities “in charge of their own destiny” and a reformed state.

Sir Keir will offer a personal view of his own patriotism, based on understanding the “true worth of service, respect and stability” and criticise those who harbour “patronising contempt for those who fly our flag”. <<<

Would anyone actually say "I'm going to do [X] - on steroids!" ?

Only KS.

"I'm going to do the Olympic 100 metres final on steroids."

:D

"on steroids" in this case really means all the most negative and reactionary aspects of New Labour but this time not propping up poverty wages with tax credits and fully committed to the austerity consensus, so not dissimilar to the May govt. Which Tory govts of the last decade are the *real* conservatives is a more of a pertinent question for the DM and Con Home, it shouldn't be a pitch made a year before a GE by the leader of a supposed party of Labour. Grim times for democracy.

He’s like Theresa May on Imodium

lol, Theresa May - without the charisma

I saw a Kieth supporter responding to Tory twitter taunts about the sexual assault by one of the shadow cabinet and lack of action taken thereof, and they responded with "but what about the rapist in the Tory party, eh?"

He's a cunt like (most of) the rest of his party

xp i saw that too calz. tell me you don't care about sexual violence without telling me etc

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/politics/2023/05/26/TELEMMGLPICT000337204253_16851076279810_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqRo0U4xU-30oDveS4pXV-Vv4Xpit_DMGvdp2n7FDd82k.jpeg

lol, nice juxtaposition there

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