quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a rolling new york times thread

Like seriously back in the day that neighborhood was all called Carroll Gardens, and before that Red Hook, but none of it was EVER called Park Slope. It's on the other side of a fucking canal.

ok ok i get it - katie roiphe lives in park slope NOT boerum hill the two are practically on different CONTINENTS i will never jokingly confuse one for the other on the internet again

boerum hill isnt even a HILL for gods sake

the boundaries of these neighborhoods are arbitrary and flexible and mostly due to the whims of real estate agents and gentrifiers, that whole area is just 'brownstone brooklyn' at this point...it's not a bunch of isolated ecosystems.

one day the canal will be gentrified and canal-st-matin-esque and the whole "there's a huge canal between them!" won't really work either

honestly still lol'n to myself at the 'fucking canal' line

I know you're part trolling, but I have never heard anyone, including real estate agents, suggest that carroll gardens/cobble hill/ w/e are part of park slope, and they are different things. You can laugh at the canal line but if you ever actually walk from Carroll Gardens to Park Slope it feels very clearly demarcated and different -- not only the Gowanus but 4th Ave. I mean there's less distance between the LES and the financial district and no one seems to confuse the two.

also Park Slope has been a gentrified neighborhood for way longer

brownstone brooklyn all feels exactly the same

ps my definition of midtown is 14th st to 96th st

some nabes more attractive anorexics living in them

this is all kind of immaterial to the issues at hand

i can see how in the last 10-12 years the differences among the brownstone neighborhoods have become negligible due to the overwhelmingly uppermiddle class demographics but it wasn't always so
*remembers when park slope yuppie jokes were fresh*

actually a notable difference between park slope and those other neighborhoods is that park slope doesn't have housing projects

there are still differences btw pslope and pheights and bhill and chill but theyre things u only notice if u live in/near them

what if katie roiphe lived in a housing project for a year and wrote a book about it

this is all kind of immaterial to the issues at hand

tbtf this may be vital info once the riots start/if you want to date attractive ppl w/eating disorders

these places are literally blocks away from each other

Not really. It may be worth remembering when Gowanus wasn't even remotely gentrified, think back to the days before the Hotel Le Bleu. Park Slope was centered around the north part of 7th avenue and up. 6th Ave was residential. 5th avenue was budget. 4th avenue was sketchy. 3rd avenue was the end of the world.

On the other side...Court St was yuppiefied like 7th ave. Smith Street was deserted. Don't even ask about Hoyt, Bond and Nevins.

When I used to cross the Gowanus at night to get back to Park Slope from Cobble Hill, I literally crossed my fingers and walked double-time.

Obviously over the last 10 years this has changed as first Smith and 5th ave gentrified, now 4th and 3rd and so on, but it's still different.

Boeurum Hill is a particularly dense mash-up of income disparity. I lived for 3 years on Wyckoff between bond and nevins. Wyckoff Housing to the left, Gowanus Housing to the right. Beautiful apartments on Bergen, Dean and Pacific by then, and a few popping up on Wyckoff and Warren, but you had to be careful. I was very careful, and very lucky.

But when me and my friends were attacked by a group of teenagers from the projects while walking to Smith St, they didn't have to come from Red Hook, so I'm not sure what the point of the response to that article, about how it's all just because of the closing of Smith/9th. Like that part of Brooklyn didn't already have young kids who like to fuck with yuppies?

The whole area is "brownstone brooklyn" sure, but there are housing projects, that are not the safest, and right behind them was still a popular place to find crack whores at 4pm when I was living there. They hung out by the paddle ball courts where I used to play.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KaC2jnYQpL4/TXTFnApz-zI/AAAAAAAALhk/nF4Q5S2lZ4A/s1600/51Kq4OajFnL._SL500_.jpg

I read like half of that

http://images.nymag.com/news/features/2007/sexandlove/divorce070430_1_560.jpg

lol, tyft

lmao @ how she ends this piece

Outside I see a seagull perched on our front gate, en route, perhaps, from the Gowanus Canal to somewhere more promising.

http://nymag.com/news/features/2007/sexandlove/30928/

BH is a lot more different from park slope than say prospect heights or cobble hill

really none of this changes the fact that katie roiphe is a horrible writer and person and that essay is an example of her being both

here in carroll gardens katie roiphe is still a horrible writer and person btw

cobble at least has a slight slant down from the north. there's an intriguing clash between hipsters' gowanus and developers' boerum for naming rights to that otherwise unassuming/affordable area

if katie roiphe is a feminist i am not.

she is really quite stupid too

she's the worst

the other week she got really resentful about a gawker post from 2007 and declared us not as funny as dorothy parker

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/roiphe/2011/10/gawker_why_can_t_it_do_nastiness_the_right_way_.html

tbf, y'all are not as funny as dorothy parker

u think so?

haha i like how she compares herself to joan didion in that actually it makes me deranged-level angry

you suck, katie roiphe

horseshoe if u ever come to nyc we can do a drive-by on roiphe where she lives in park slope

not with guns or anything, just drive by her slowly mean mugging

i'm in. i actually just want to scream at her to get some damn therapy about whatever she's mad at her mom abuot and stop writing anti-feminist claptrap. or just stop writing full stop.

wait so is Brooklyn on an island or not

also what is "the Bronx"

brooklyn is on an island bisected by a huge canal--one one side is "brownstone brooklyn" (made of brown stones) on the other side is "boerum hill"

wouldn't that mean it is now *two* islands?

east egg and west egg amirite

yes the side called boerum hill is also known as manhattan

its funnie but i guess p obv that a key to being katie roiphe is that youd never really consider whether you are, in fact, deeply terrible

tbf, y'all are not as funny as dorothy parker

― herbie mann on some gully shit (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, November 9, 2011 10:08 PM (7 minutes ago)

man its bumming me out to find out that ppl dont think gawker is as funny as dorothy parker

can we focus on how katie roiphe's not fit to get joan didion's coffee?

haha okay at some point in that rant she refers to paradise lost which reminds me that she refers to remembrance of things past in her article about how yuppie moms aren't sexy enough, except she does so in a way that suggests she's only read the first ten pages and belle waring calls her on it. i've never read proust so this is incredibly petty of me but i hate her.

sorry, this thread is supposed to be about something.

fwiw horseshoe i still am vaguely looking for a roommate (no cain); you are invited to move here and become a minor celebrity with max's backing

that is a lovely offer ty

haha

go bills

A couple weeks ago in some thread I tried to troll the bay by saying Oakland was a suburb of San Francisco and the only person who even responded was iatee dorking out on what like his definition of a 'suburb' is - and now look at this shit people can't even casually conflate two adjacent downtown Brooklyn neighborhoods w/o the thread police cracking heads - shameful