quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a rolling new york times thread

"brush fires" could very well start because of prolonged high unemployment, yes

thank god we dont live in a desert state then

thank god there are no desert states with sky high unemployment

haven't read this btw

The fire is inside us, why don't u see, mom and dad

thank god i have an american bike and live on the other side of court st

Rerouted unruly kids =/= riots, and roiphe is a bit obtuse. that said, would not be surprised at all to see riots in gentrified brooklyn in the next five years

lol

eagerly awaiting the gr8 park slop riot of 2014

Yeah, you have neighborhoods with near 20% unemployment in walking distance of some of the wealthiest areas in the country, but bad stuff only happens in NYC in movies from the golden age of American cinema

riots dont happen in gentrified neighborhoods

....until now

rip park slope

fort apache: the slope

http://savetheslope.blogspot.com/2009/10/1973-park-slope-riot.html

um, london: nyc

tbf, what would be more likely would be a gradual decline/reversal of gentrification including a gradual increase in crime and decrease in city services that contributes to affluent flight, then riots

also COURT STREET ISN'T IN PARK SLOPE just sayin

haha the london riots didnt exactly start in london's equivalent of cobble hill

still have no clue what this has to do w/ katie roiphe's article

"teenagers are fighting... riots within 5 years!"

K Roiphe lives two doors down from me (Boerum Hill, kids, not the Slope)...she seems like a nice lady even if her f&%k-me feminism and clueless rich person perspective (she comes from big time schmatta money I think) are rotten and sad, respectively. Also, she's good lookin' in an anorexic, jolie laide kind of way

enh there are plenty of way better looking idiots in park slope than katie rofl

hey now, hey now--boerum hill

I've lived in both, and when it comes to income disparity and roving packs of project housing born youths, Park Slope is no Boerum Hill.

these places are literally blocks away from each other

come visit boreum slope - its not park hill

Carroll and Court is like well over a mile from anything that can be called Park Slope

Like seriously back in the day that neighborhood was all called Carroll Gardens, and before that Red Hook, but none of it was EVER called Park Slope. It's on the other side of a fucking canal.

ok ok i get it - katie roiphe lives in park slope NOT boerum hill the two are practically on different CONTINENTS i will never jokingly confuse one for the other on the internet again

boerum hill isnt even a HILL for gods sake

the boundaries of these neighborhoods are arbitrary and flexible and mostly due to the whims of real estate agents and gentrifiers, that whole area is just 'brownstone brooklyn' at this point...it's not a bunch of isolated ecosystems.

one day the canal will be gentrified and canal-st-matin-esque and the whole "there's a huge canal between them!" won't really work either

honestly still lol'n to myself at the 'fucking canal' line

I know you're part trolling, but I have never heard anyone, including real estate agents, suggest that carroll gardens/cobble hill/ w/e are part of park slope, and they are different things. You can laugh at the canal line but if you ever actually walk from Carroll Gardens to Park Slope it feels very clearly demarcated and different -- not only the Gowanus but 4th Ave. I mean there's less distance between the LES and the financial district and no one seems to confuse the two.

also Park Slope has been a gentrified neighborhood for way longer

brownstone brooklyn all feels exactly the same

ps my definition of midtown is 14th st to 96th st

some nabes more attractive anorexics living in them

this is all kind of immaterial to the issues at hand

i can see how in the last 10-12 years the differences among the brownstone neighborhoods have become negligible due to the overwhelmingly uppermiddle class demographics but it wasn't always so
*remembers when park slope yuppie jokes were fresh*

actually a notable difference between park slope and those other neighborhoods is that park slope doesn't have housing projects

there are still differences btw pslope and pheights and bhill and chill but theyre things u only notice if u live in/near them

what if katie roiphe lived in a housing project for a year and wrote a book about it

this is all kind of immaterial to the issues at hand

tbtf this may be vital info once the riots start/if you want to date attractive ppl w/eating disorders

these places are literally blocks away from each other

Not really. It may be worth remembering when Gowanus wasn't even remotely gentrified, think back to the days before the Hotel Le Bleu. Park Slope was centered around the north part of 7th avenue and up. 6th Ave was residential. 5th avenue was budget. 4th avenue was sketchy. 3rd avenue was the end of the world.

On the other side...Court St was yuppiefied like 7th ave. Smith Street was deserted. Don't even ask about Hoyt, Bond and Nevins.

When I used to cross the Gowanus at night to get back to Park Slope from Cobble Hill, I literally crossed my fingers and walked double-time.

Obviously over the last 10 years this has changed as first Smith and 5th ave gentrified, now 4th and 3rd and so on, but it's still different.

Boeurum Hill is a particularly dense mash-up of income disparity. I lived for 3 years on Wyckoff between bond and nevins. Wyckoff Housing to the left, Gowanus Housing to the right. Beautiful apartments on Bergen, Dean and Pacific by then, and a few popping up on Wyckoff and Warren, but you had to be careful. I was very careful, and very lucky.

But when me and my friends were attacked by a group of teenagers from the projects while walking to Smith St, they didn't have to come from Red Hook, so I'm not sure what the point of the response to that article, about how it's all just because of the closing of Smith/9th. Like that part of Brooklyn didn't already have young kids who like to fuck with yuppies?

The whole area is "brownstone brooklyn" sure, but there are housing projects, that are not the safest, and right behind them was still a popular place to find crack whores at 4pm when I was living there. They hung out by the paddle ball courts where I used to play.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KaC2jnYQpL4/TXTFnApz-zI/AAAAAAAALhk/nF4Q5S2lZ4A/s1600/51Kq4OajFnL._SL500_.jpg

I read like half of that

http://images.nymag.com/news/features/2007/sexandlove/divorce070430_1_560.jpg

lol, tyft

lmao @ how she ends this piece

Outside I see a seagull perched on our front gate, en route, perhaps, from the Gowanus Canal to somewhere more promising.

http://nymag.com/news/features/2007/sexandlove/30928/

BH is a lot more different from park slope than say prospect heights or cobble hill

really none of this changes the fact that katie roiphe is a horrible writer and person and that essay is an example of her being both