"max" what do u mean
― 2191: celebrate the m bisontennial (m bison), Sunday, November 6, 2011 4:56 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i think he prob means many of us have only experienced the american version of these cuisines. which are v good at their best. i do think my access to the "authentic" thing wrt indian food will influence my vote. would love to eat my way through italy one day.
― horseshoe, Sunday, November 6, 2011 4:57 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
oh tbrr i meant that there are dozens (hundreds?) of indian cuisines and dozens of italian cuisines and like probably there are specific regions of india whose food i like more than specific regions of italy and vice versa
but yeah also the 'authenticity' thing i guess, sure
xxp you know me!! you really know me!!!!
― max, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
goans cook fish. bengalis too. kashmiri lamb dishes are the best meat dishes IN THE WORLD. /biased.
xp <3
― horseshoe, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
I think max meant that there really is no true meaning behind the combination of letters that make up "italian" and "indian" and without any real meaning in language how can we even have polls
― iatee, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
The dietary restrictions practised by the great majority of indians have perhaps limited the indian cuisine in terms of fish and meat dishes, so that opens the door to italy staying in the competition. I must think.
― Aimless, Sunday, November 6, 2011 5:03 PM (41 seconds ago) Bookmark
false, a cuisine can be completely delicious absent meat and fish dishes.
still I dunno which one to vote for
― ASPIE Rocky (dayo), Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
indian muslims cook a bunch of meat btw, and deliciously
― horseshoe, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
ime the best american italian food can vie with the best italian italian food but theres just so much more good italian food, and so much cheaper, in italy
― max, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
no matter what the result, ilx will affirm that mexican food is better than either Food Wars: Mexican Food v. Italian Food
― ASPIE Rocky (dayo), Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
hmm I wonder why there's so much good and cheap italian food in italy
it is a mystery
I think americans can do a lot of world cuisines super well, we can also set world records for food awfulness
― iatee, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
we can also set world records for food awfulness
― iatee, Sunday, November 6, 2011 5:06 PM (40 seconds ago) Bookmark
no that's still england
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
all time classic quote:
have only really had the fast-foody burrito/taco/quesadilla/whatever stuff, from some pretty authentic and reputable joints, and sure it's nice, and sure if i had a goat's cheese tostada i might cream myself a little, but *sigh* O Italian food. O. O.
― One idiot even called me "redcoat" because I'm (country matters), Sunday, August 2, 2009 5:14 PM (2 years ago)
― iatee, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
haha xp
just fyi to all both of these are good and u dont really have to choose or vote in the poll or actually even post to this thread
― max, Monday, August 3, 2009 11:20 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― max, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
I'd vote Indian food over anything altho if you count "wine" as Italian food that makes it a little tougher
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
sure if i had a goat's cheese tostada i might cream myself
i can't eat dinner now, because of this
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
seriously don't count india out of the meat game until you've tried the kashmiri gushtaba:
http://pakistanifoodrecipies.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/gushtaba1.jpg
― horseshoe, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
are those brains?
― tunnel joe (harbl), Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
also division between pakistan and india is arbitrary and colonial so i'm including pakistan and pakistanis eat meat all day and all night
xp lol shut up
― horseshoe, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
lol "don't count India out until you feast your eyes on this appalling thing"
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
those are called "meatballs"
― max, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
― horseshoe, Sunday, November 6, 2011 5:10 PM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
welllllll so is the divide between france and italy so im including it too. and greece also.
and spain i guess
nehari is a really good pakistani beef dish but pictures of it are gross. you have to take my word for it.
xp but really. india and pakistan.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
butter VS olive oil (is what it comes down to)
― chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
Italian food is one of those unchallenging comfort things that it's stupid to say you like because EVERYONE LIKES IT EXCEPT VEGANS AND WEIRDOS. It's way cooler to say you like I don't know one specific kind of kimchee, or unagi sushi or something. You know what? I fcuking love Italian food, Americanized or otherwise. To me, there's no greater flavor range in the world than garlic + tomato + lemon + rosemary, and 100 variations on that theme.
― WE DO NOT HAVE "SECRET" "MEETINGS." I DO NOT HAVE A SECOND (Laurel), Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
haha the picture is funny because i can't tell what the scale is. i'm imagining they are like 8 inches in diameter and that is a huge potanyway i pick india
― tunnel joe (harbl), Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
gushtabas are meatballs. the meat is pulverized for hours. cooked kashmiri style in a yogurt sauce.
gushtabas are huge!
― horseshoe, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
i can't believe i am posting about kashmiri food on the internet i need to stop.
yeah meatballs in yogurt, cool dish kashmir
― max, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
i will seriously kill you you're insulting my mom right now max
― horseshoe, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
false, a cuisine can be completely delicious absent meat and fish dishes
show me where I said any such falsehood.
also, yes, I do know that not everyone in india is hindu and that meat and fish are incorporated into indian cuisine, but I was thinking that perhaps the full creative power of the tradition had not been brought to bear, as opposed to the effloresence of their vegetarian dishes.
― Aimless, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
what vegans say they don't like Italian food? I will sic the ghost of my great-grandmother on them, she'll be rattlin ghost chains and yelling mangia
― 2191: celebrate the m bisontennial (m bison), Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
mughal dynasty cooking is very meat and cream heavy (korma, for example) and is represented well in indian restaurants in the u.s.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
i have an indian coworker and his family is from gujarat and he is a vegetarian. he loves subway and candy!
― tunnel joe (harbl), Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link
well american restaurant korma is inauthentic but still tasty
― horseshoe, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
m bison: Because in "Italian" restaurants EVERYTHIGN HAS CHEESE except a plain dish of pasta with tomatoes diced on top of it, which the kitchen will grudgingly make for vegetarians and small food-intolerant children.
xp KORMA IS MY FAVORITE.
― WE DO NOT HAVE "SECRET" "MEETINGS." I DO NOT HAVE A SECOND (Laurel), Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
aimless, there are lots of foods in the world not incorporated into italian food - 'perhaps the full creative power of the tradition' is not complete until they discover, idk, curry powder and twinkies. that argument is pretty nonsensical to me, unless there's some proof that meat is inherently some next-level sensation.
― iatee, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
this is so embarrassing i'm repping for muslim influence on indian culture it's like i've become my dad
― horseshoe, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
still might vote italian tbh
― horseshoe, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
another reason to vote Indian is that the Vaisnava cuisine of west Bengal makes do without onion & garlic and I guarantee even the most exacting insufferable foodie here would, having chowed on a good Vaisnava feast, declare it delicious and lacking nothing, whereas if you take onion & garlic away from Italian cuisine it's game over for Italian cuisine
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
I'm voting india, I can't trust a nation who changed their entire cuisine because of a conquistador
― ASPIE Rocky (dayo), Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
oh well that's fucking every restaurant in America tho, we are talking about cuisines, not olive gardens/carrabas/macaroni grill
making vegan Italian food at home is hella easy
xp
― 2191: celebrate the m bisontennial (m bison), Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, November 6, 2011 5:17 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i see we are undertaking a rhetorical sleight-of-hand that allows us to divide "indian food" into region-specific cuisines but regards "italian food" as a monolith. i will not take part.
― max, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
in conclusion, shakespeare was likely a kashmiri muslim. /my dad
― horseshoe, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
is a national cuisine more than the sum of its parts?
― 2191: celebrate the m bisontennial (m bison), Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
only if it's the creamofsumyungguy
― ASPIE Rocky (dayo), Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
― horseshoe, Sunday, November 6, 2011 5:20 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i like this theory
― max, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
my dad has a lot of theories 4 u
― horseshoe, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:23 (twelve years ago) link
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9287652/images/kashmiri.jpg
― max, Sunday, 6 November 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
real talk in this thread
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
jeez u guys
― jon /bia /tche 2.0 (Lamp), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
jalfrezi u guys
― sex-poodle Al Gore (DJP), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
eat thali every day lamp!
― ogmor, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
I love Indian Food like Chappatis, Poori, dals, rice, Saag, makki di roti etc. I also like Indian restaurant where the Indian food is served. My Favorite Indian veg. restaurant is " Haveli - Indian Food Restaurant ".
― Romita, Monday, 16 September 2013 07:15 (ten years ago) link
another ilx travesty
― ... Jenks ... Neu! military£ ... snkkt! pickles Özil JTUPFRONT njhtdgs (imago), Monday, 16 September 2013 07:22 (ten years ago) link
bearing in mind that my only experience is the anglo simulacra for which i'm eternally guilty and apologize to the gods of cuisine i still think this was the right result within the confines of this entirely hypothetical split
― i'm not racist, i just dislike rap (Noodle Vague), Monday, 16 September 2013 07:43 (ten years ago) link
i approve
― buzza, Monday, November 14, 2011 5:56 PM (1 year ago)
― velko, Monday, 16 September 2013 07:57 (ten years ago) link
Disappointed there was no Italian-Indian fusion poll option.
― Wantaway Striker (ithappens), Monday, 16 September 2013 08:43 (ten years ago) link
Baltipizza. Vindaloosagne.
― they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 16 September 2013 08:55 (ten years ago) link
Indian on satItalian yesterdayOff work today
Thks obama
― tuomas finnchon (darraghmac), Monday, 16 September 2013 09:07 (ten years ago) link
I made keema lasgane and chicken tikka canneloni years ago, the results were on I Love Cooking - or, since search doesn't find them, more likely on Two Weeks/Sandbox versions of that board.
― Ian Glasper's trapped in a scone (aldo), Monday, 16 September 2013 09:37 (ten years ago) link
Wait, I found it:
So what have you cooked lately?
― Ian Glasper's trapped in a scone (aldo), Monday, 16 September 2013 09:39 (ten years ago) link
indian is almost guaranteed to cause damage to my guts. or at least yr east london curry will anyway, even in the nicer places.
italian seems to be sinned against quite frequently in restaurants, so many average or below average restaurants are "italian", ime.
― Evil Juice Box Man (LocalGarda), Monday, 16 September 2013 09:39 (ten years ago) link
A bad Indian is worse than a bad Italian but there are so many bad examples of both pretty much anywhere you go. A good Indian beats a really great Italian though, even in a really good Italian restaurant you get past the antipasti/pasta courses and the options can seem nice but not terribly exciting.
― Matt DC, Monday, 16 September 2013 09:43 (ten years ago) link
i guess the thing with "Italian" is that it relies a lot on quality of ingredients - obv to a large extent all cuisine does, but a lot of Italian dishes seem to be about simple stuff presented to its best advantage. this is why i cook pasta dishes two or three times a week but don't do my own "Indian" meals anything like as often
i know that this is all very broad generalizations
― i'm not racist, i just dislike rap (Noodle Vague), Monday, 16 September 2013 11:17 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I would agree with that. The best Italian meals I've had haven't been doing anything earth-shattering in theory but have just been sourced and prepared impeccably.
― Matt DC, Monday, 16 September 2013 11:23 (ten years ago) link
same with spanish imo, to an extent.
i feel like loads of great cooking prob has roots in italian ways but this isn't what many "italian" restaurants do.
― Evil Juice Box Man (LocalGarda), Monday, 16 September 2013 11:37 (ten years ago) link
microwave italian food vs microwave indian food would be a better poll
― ^ sarcasm (ken c), Monday, 16 September 2013 11:58 (ten years ago) link
still Indian, possibly by a wider margin imo
― i'm not racist, i just dislike rap (Noodle Vague), Monday, 16 September 2013 12:01 (ten years ago) link
microwave lasagne though (horse or not) is truly beautiful
― ^ sarcasm (ken c), Monday, 16 September 2013 12:05 (ten years ago) link
whereas microwave chicken jalfrazi is always a bit..
Which foodstuff has more tomato and cheese? Hmm.
― emil.y, Monday, 16 September 2013 12:11 (ten years ago) link
that wd normally sway me but i think i wd take "mexican" over "indian" over "italian"
― i'm not racist, i just dislike rap (Noodle Vague), Monday, 16 September 2013 12:29 (ten years ago) link
I haven't looked at what won this poll, but I wanted to make clear that the results are a travesty
― Euler, Monday, 16 September 2013 16:16 (ten years ago) link
http://www.tablehopper.com/newsletter/061205/zantes_large.jpg
― what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 September 2013 16:18 (ten years ago) link
i guess the thing with "Italian" is that it relies a lot on quality of ingredients - obv to a large extent all cuisine does, but a lot of Italian dishes seem to be about simple stuff presented to its best advantage. this is why i cook pasta dishes two or three times a week but don't do my own "Indian" meals anything like as ofteni know that this is all very broad generalizations― i'm not racist, i just dislike rap (Noodle Vague), Monday, September 16, 2013 7:17 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― i'm not racist, i just dislike rap (Noodle Vague), Monday, September 16, 2013 7:17 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that seems accurate imo. i can buy some arugula from the farmer's market, sautee with garlic and olive oil and serve it with pasta and it's very simple and easy to prepare but delicious. indian food is definitely one my favorite cuisines but when i cook it i'm making basmati rice, a dal, vegetables, maybe some roti and pickle and it's sublime but a little more demanding
― marcos, Monday, 16 September 2013 16:30 (ten years ago) link
i had brilliant italian food last night (at sotto in the beverlywood section of l.a.), and today i'm going to an indian lunch buffet. i will report my findings to the thread once i am good and stuffed.
― I also like Indian restaurant where the Indian food is served. (get bent), Monday, 16 September 2013 17:48 (ten years ago) link
I made lamb rogan josh 2 days ago and went to Jamie's Italian yesterday. The rogan josh was amazing (and mostly out of a packet type thing, which NEVER happens) but Jamie's Italian was so full of butter and fattiness without much substance, therefore I declare Indian to be the winner.Really into spiced cauliflower atm too yummm
― kinder, Monday, 16 September 2013 17:50 (ten years ago) link
Well, your first mistake was going to Jamie's Italian.
People cooking Indian from scratch will do well to remember that less is more...
― aldi young dudes (suzy), Monday, 16 September 2013 18:00 (ten years ago) link
our dinner at sotto was:
grilled bread with olive oilkale/ricotta frittatatomato-braised octopus with chickpeas (flavored with preserved lemon)margherita pizza (with lovely char; I dipped the crust into the olive oil from the bread starter)olive oil cake with oven-roasted grapes
just putting that out there.
― I also like Indian restaurant where the Indian food is served. (get bent), Monday, 16 September 2013 18:10 (ten years ago) link
wld probably still vote indian because i've had curries that have changed my life but i've eaten some v amazing italian food since this poll took place. pheasant ravioli, mint & asparagus risotto, arancini, the richest ragu, quail risotto (risotto w/ the proper finish & texture is the product of some rare magic)... these are my two fav cuisines
― ogmor, Monday, 16 September 2013 21:30 (ten years ago) link
if you're eating both, the winner is you.
― I also like Indian restaurant where the Indian food is served. (get bent), Monday, 16 September 2013 22:20 (ten years ago) link
Bigoli al Pomodoro della Mamma 15Tomato sauce Mamma Anna style, if you don’t like it, please, call my mom @ 091-905581 and tell her. Good luck!
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 16 September 2013 23:33 (ten years ago) link
Haven't had much Italian food these past four years and not really missing it. As long as I can have a gluten-free pizza now and then and some limoncello, I'm good. I did miss tiramisu but it doesn't even occur to me anymore. Tiramisu just doesn't measure up to gajar halva.
― *tera, Tuesday, 17 September 2013 05:14 (ten years ago) link
Italians lol.
"He also disdains the pace of change driven by the internet. “On the web, everything is consumed quickly. Culture, on the other hand, is slowness and choice. I made my theory; it is the theory of the three risottos. Do you want to hear it?” He clears his throat. “If someone has never eaten a risotto in his life – and if they have never been to Sicily, they certainly never have eaten a good one – the first time they taste it, they can only say if they liked it or not. The second time, however, they can argue that it was better or worse than the first one. Only from the third time on can they have their own theory of risotto and, if they want, give advice on how it should be cooked. Culture, to me, is knowing things and having a choice.”"
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2022/jul/26/photographer-ferdinando-scianna-interview-sicily-magnum
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 26 July 2022 10:40 (one year ago) link
if you take onion & garlic away from Italian cuisine it's game over for Italian cuisine
lol
― doomposting is the new composting (PBKR), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 11:59 (one year ago) link