Do You Remember The First Poll? - ILM Artist Poll #11 - PULP - Results Thread!

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Wish I still had that flexidisc.

pleased to see This Is Hardcore placing so highly as it was the first Pulp song I ever really loved, possibly influenced by the embarrassing fact that I was only convinced to listen to it by a friend telling me that it was produced by RZA! This turned out to be a lie. Maybe.

Hahaha - I can just about see it!

This Is Hardcore is the song that really got me into them, too. I'd heard and liked a few Different Class songs (I was a teenager in Wisconsin, so I didn't have a lot of exposure to Pulp), but then I saw the This Is Hardcore video, by chance (maybe on 120 Minutes, like Gukbe?), and was completely blown away.

as a proud listener of only "Hits" (and Different Class) I offer a top 5

1. Babies
2. Razzmatazz
3. Something Changed
4. Common People
5. Help The Aged

Seconds is a major discovery. thanks!

That video *is* incredible, I was pleased to see it in a 'top 20 videos ever' for Time or Rolling Stone or something like that recently. The whole package, though, it jumped out as clearly the best thing they ever did when I went relistening - it takes guts to take an idea so far. I thought it might sneak #1, so I'm slightly disappointed.

"This Is Hardcore" was also my introduction to Pulp. It is a fucking incredible song.

I think I'm the only person who doesn't completely love that song. The video is pretty great though.

that piano line is one of the greatest things ever recorded

haha add me to the list of (surely all american) people who got into Pulp via the "This Is Hardcore" video. i think 120 Minutes played that, "Like A Friend" and "Help The Aged" in the space of a few weeks and really sold me on the band.

My ballot:

1. The Trees
2. Blue Girls
3. This Is Hardcore
4. Disco 2000
5. Common People
6. Do You Remember The First Time
7. A Little Soul
8. Acrylic Afternoons
9. Sylvia
10. The Night That Minnie Temperley Died
11. Love Love
12. Inside Susan
13. Mis-Shapes
14. The Fear
15. Love is blind
16. She´s A Lady
17. Don't you want me anymore
18. Help The Aged
19. Wishful thinking
20. Underwear

my shamelessly new school ballot (stuff from both Jarvis solo albums, not a lot from His N Hers and nothing from before it):

1. Like A Friend
2. F.E.E.L.I.N.G.C.A.L.L.E.D.L.O.V.E.
3. Big Julie
4. Mis-Shapes
5. This Is Hardcore
6. Disco 2000
7. Do You Remember The First Time?
6. Common People
9. The Night That Minnie Temperley Died
10. Seductive Barry
11. You're In My Eyes (Discosong)
12. Monday Morning
13. Acryllic Afternoons
14. Weeds
15. A Little Soul
16. Babies
17. I Love Life
18. Party Hard
19. Help The Aged
20. Pencil Skirt

man i forgot how much i like "Sylvia" when i was figuring out which TIH tracks to vote for, wish i'd included it

mine. an honest representation of what i would choose to listen to these days, before somebody has a go at me for not including any of the hits

1. pink glove
2. o.u.
3. your sister's clothes
4. lipgloss
5. seconds
6. stacks
7. styloroc (nights of suburbia)
8. like a friend
9. a little soul
10. barry adamson / jarvis cocker - set the controls for the heart of the pelvis
11. the all seeing i - last man in space
12. joyriders
13. my legendary girlfriend
14. the night that minnie timperley died
15. relaxed muscle - billy jack
16. sheffield sex city
17. this is hardcore
18. we can dance again
19. she's a lady
20. sunrise

The middle part of TIH drags; it keeps me from thinking of it as anything but a misfire.

Classic CD-era bloat.

ha just noticed my typo for the all seeing i track, i probably contributed to some of the poll confusion xpost

TIH is definitely overlong and inconsistent (although i'd disagree about the middle being the problem -- "A Little Soul" is right in the middle!), but the highs are far too high for me to think of it as a misfire. possibly the only 'dark reflection on fame' album i'll ever love.

really the pileup of bombastic power ballads at the end is what hurts the album most for me -- if it just stopped at "Sylvia" and left the last two off it'd be pretty solid.

We can trade opinions. For me it drops off after the title track (for which I really must be in the mood, i.e. never) or whatever track follows, but enjoy "Like a Friend."

"TV Movie" follows the title track and is easily my least favorite track on the album, so yeah i think that exacerbates the feeling of it being frontloaded. "Like A Friend" was my #1 so no disagreements on that count.

jim putting Stacks separately also brings Inside Susan up to #31 overall

That's not quite the same, given that surely votes for "Inside Susan" were for the song "Inside Susan", not the related songs that make up the story (which also includes "The Babysitter").

xxxp I kind of know what you mean re: the final tracks- When I listen to the album straight through, I'm pretty much done with it by then. The album starts strong, peaks massively, hits a little turbulence at "TV Movie", and then by "Sylvia" I'm starting to feel filthy and nauseous. The last thing I need at that point is more songs. But "Glory Days" and "The Day After the Revolution" are so great (especially "Glory Days")! It just took me a while to realize it. Actually, now that I think of it, I like "TV Movie" too. That incongruous, tuneless whistle halfway through makes me lol every time, and I like the way he spits out, "Why pre-TTTEND any longer?" There's really no duds on this album, in my opinion. I guess the one I'm most likely to skip is "Seductive Barry".

BLASPHEMY

lol I know, I was waiting for that

the songs at the end aren't bad per se, i just feel they're done a disservice by the sequencing (although i do prefer "Cocaine Socialism" to "Glory Days")

That's not quite the same, given that surely votes for "Inside Susan" were for the song "Inside Susan", not the related songs that make up the story (which also includes "The Babysitter").

a) if I'd thought my vote wasn't for the three-song-suite, I would have voted for Stacks instead

b) there's no separation on the list for Jarvis vs Nancy versions of Don't Let Him Waste Your Time so

yeah i specifically voted for stacks, not that into '59' and wouldn't have rated the titular song that highly tbqh

a[ii]) I just checked and my ballot specifically says 05. Inside Susan: A Story in 3 Parts

IIRC there was only one Nancy vote, but I should have clarified Stacks :(

ppl may have been happily allowing their Don't Let Him votes to go to either. I assumed mine (for Nancy) would be combined with specific Jarvis and nonspecific votes the way remixes are on other tracks polls, and the division merely footnoted. (which I guess happened, just without the footnoting?)

I would have liked to contribute to this earlier, but my home state of New Jersey has fallen victim to a crazy October blizzard which has incapacitated the entire state. I've been without power for five days. People let me tell you, leaves + snow = catastrophe

Anyway, here is my ballot

Common People
Pink Glove
A Little Soul
I’m A Man
Party Hard
Something Changed
Disco 2000
Do You Remember The First Time
Help The Aged
Dishes
Mis-Shapes
Glory Days
Underwear
The Day After The Revolution
Pencil Skirt
This is Hardcore
Sunrise
Roadkill
Lipgloss
Angela

Nancy's "Don't Let It Waste Your Time" > Jarvis's
Jarvis's "Baby's Coming Back To Me" > Nancy's though

With all errors fixed since full results posted, as well as artist names differentiated.. I also changed the vote for Inside Susan: ASITP to Stacks as Sic said he would've voted for that one in particular if he had to? My Inside Susan vote was for that song, in particular - if others who only put Inside Susan meant the trilogy we can hash it out further!

For ties I used any number one votes as a tiebreaker, if there wasn't one I used how many people voted, when that was no different either they become, e.g., 31.1 and 31.2 which I think ended up alphabetically.

1 - Common People - Pulp - 641 points - 21 votes, 5 number ones
2 - This Is Hardcore - Pulp - 559 points - 25 votes, 2 number ones
3 - Do You Remember The First Time? - Pulp - 477 points - 21 votes, 0 number ones
4 - Pink Glove - Pulp - 474 points - 17 votes, 3 number ones
5 - Babies - Pulp - 474 points - 17 votes, 2 number ones
6 - Disco 2000 - Pulp - 365 points - 13 votes, 2 number ones
7 - Seconds - Pulp - 327 points - 13 votes, 2 number ones
8 - Something changed - Pulp - 326 points - 13 votes, 1 number ones
9 - Razzmatazz - Pulp - 319 points - 15 votes, 0 number ones
10 - Lipgloss - Pulp - 309 points - 16 votes, 0 number ones
11 - Underwear - Pulp - 296 points - 14 votes, 0 number ones
12 - Help the Aged - Pulp - 279 points - 14 votes, 0 number ones
13 - F.E.E.L.I.N.G.C.A.L.L.E.D.L.O.V.E. - Pulp - 264 points - 11 votes, 0 number ones
14 - Acrylic Afternoons - Pulp - 257 points - 12 votes, 0 number ones
15 - I Spy - Pulp - 247 points - 12 votes, 1 number ones
16 - Mis-shapes - Pulp - 242 points - 11 votes, 0 number ones
17 - A Little Soul - Pulp - 241 points - 11 votes, 0 number ones
18 - My Legendary Girlfriend - Pulp - 233 points - 11 votes, 1 number ones
19 - The Fear - Pulp - 229 points - 10 votes, 1 number ones
20 - Sorted for E's & Wizz - Pulp - 225 points - 10 votes, 0 number ones
21 - She's A Lady - Pulp - 222 points - 11 votes, 0 number ones
22 - Like A Friend - Pulp - 211 points - 9 votes, 1 number ones
23 - Dishes - Pulp - 197 points - 8 votes, 1 number ones
24 - Your Sister's Clothes - Pulp - 196 points - 9 votes, 0 number ones
25 - O.U. (Gone Gone) - Pulp - 189 points - 8 votes, 1 number ones
26 - The Trees - Pulp - 174 points - 7 votes, 1 number ones
27 - His 'n' Hers - Pulp - 173 points - 7 votes, 1 number ones
28 - Sheffield: Sex City - Pulp - 166 points - 8 votes, 0 number ones
29 - Wickerman - Pulp - 163 points - 7 votes, 1 number ones
30 - Sunrise - Pulp - 161 points - 9 votes, 0 number ones
31 - Bad Cover Version - Pulp - 150 points - 8 votes, 0 number ones
32 - Death II - Pulp - 143 points - 6 votes, 1 number ones
33 - Joyriders - Pulp - 138 points - 6 votes, 0 number ones
34.1 - Countdown - Pulp - 124 points - 6 votes, 0 number ones
34.2 - The Night that Minnie Temperley Died - Pulp - 124 points - 6 votes, 0 number ones
35 - Blue Girls - Pulp - 116 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones
36 - Mile End - Pulp - 114 points - 6 votes, 0 number ones
37 - Glory Days - Pulp - 101 points - 5 votes, 0 number ones
38 - Pencil Skirt - Pulp - 96 points - 6 votes, 0 number ones
39.1 - Live Bed Show - Pulp - 96 points - 5 votes, 0 number ones
39.2 - Party Hard - Pulp - 96 points - 5 votes, 0 number ones
40.1 - I Want You - Pulp - 91 points - 5 votes, 0 number ones
40.2 - Running the World - Jarvis Cocker - 91 points - 5 votes, 0 number ones
41 - Bar Italia - Pulp - 88 points - 6 votes, 0 number ones
42 - Little Girl (With Blue Eyes) - Pulp - 88 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones
43 - Styloroc (Nites of Suburbia) - Pulp - 85 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones
44 - Don't Let Him Waste Your Time - Jarvis Cocker - 84 points - 5 votes, 0 number ones
45 - Inside Susan - Pulp - 80 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones
46 - Stacks - Pulp - 79 points - 3 votes, 0 number ones
47 - Love is Blind - Pulp - 77 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones
48 - Ansaphone - Pulp - 77 points - 3 votes, 0 number ones
49 - Weeds - Pulp - 76 points - 5 votes, 0 number ones
50 - Monday Morning - Pulp - 74 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones
51 - Sliding Through Life On Charm - Marianne Faithfull - 72 points - 3 votes, 0 number ones
52 - First Man in Space - All Seeing I - 69 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones
53 - Have You Seen Her Lately? - Pulp - 67 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones
54 - Synchronize - Jarvis Cocker w/Discodeine - 65 points - 3 votes, 1 number ones
55 - Set the Controls for the Heart of the Pelvis - Barry Adamson - 63 points - 3 votes, 0 number ones
56 - Walk like a Panther - All Seeing I - 62 points - 3 votes, 0 number ones
57 - The Birds in Your Garden - Pulp - 60 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones
58 - Ciao! - Lush - 59 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones
59 - Seductive Barry - Pulp - 58 points - 3 votes, 0 number ones
60 - Wishful Thinking - Pulp - 56 points - 4 votes, 0 number ones
61 - The Day After The Revolution - Pulp - 55 points - 3 votes, 0 number ones
62 - Big Julie - Jarvis Cocker - 54 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones
63 - Street Lites - Pulp - 52 points - 3 votes, 0 number ones
64 - She's Dead - Pulp - 52 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones
65 - David's Last Summer - Pulp - 51 points - 2 votes, 1 number ones
66 - Dogs are Everywhere - Pulp - 50 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones
67 - I'm A Man - Pulp - 46 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones
68 - Sylvia - Pulp - 45 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones
69 - Death Goes to the Disco - Pulp - 42 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones
70 - Love Love - Pulp - 40 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones
71 - I Will Kill Again - Jarvis Cocker - 40 points - 1 votes, 1 number ones
72 - The Babysitter - Pulp - 39 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones
73 - Happy Endings - Pulp - 38 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones
74 - I Love Life - Pulp - 36 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones
75 - The Facts Of Life (The Chocolate Layers Remix) - Black Box Recorder - 36 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
76 - Cocaine Socialism - Pulp - 35 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones
77 - My Lighthouse - Pulp - 33 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones
78 - Roadkill - Pulp - 31 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones
79 - Everybody's Problem - Pulp - 30 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
80 - Someone Like The Moon - Pulp - 27 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
81 - You're A Nightmare - Pulp - 25 points - 2 votes, 0 number ones
82 - Separations - Pulp - 25 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
83.1 - Deep Fried in Kelvin - Pulp - 24 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
83.2 - Don't You Know - Pulp - 24 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
83.3 - Maureen - Pulp - 24 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
84 - PTA - Pulp - 23 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
85 - Morning Dew (cover) - Pulp - 22 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
86.1 - They Suffocate At Night - Pulp - 21 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
86.2 - We Love Life - Pulp - 21 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
87 - Fuckingsong - Jarvis Cocker - 20 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
88.1 - Last Man in Space - All Seeing I - 20 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
88.2 - TV Movie - Pulp - 20 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
88.3 - We Are the Boyz - Pulp - 20 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
88.4 - You're In My Eyes (Discosong) - Jarvis Cocker - 20 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
89.1 - 97 Lovers - Pulp - 18 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
89.2 - Last Day of the Miners' Strike - Pulp - 18 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
90 - Two Little Boys - Rolf Harris (Jarvis Cocker) - 17 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
91.1 - Billy Jack - Relaxed Muscle - 16 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
91.2 - Heavy Weather - Jarvis Cocker - 16 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
92 - Fairground - Pulp - 15 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
93.1 - Being Followed Home - Pulp - 13 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
93.2 - Don't Let Him Waste Your Time - Nancy Sinatra - 13 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
93.3 - We Can Dance Again - Pulp - 13 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
94.1 - Aborigine - Pulp - 12 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
94.2 - Blue Glow - Pulp - 12 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
94.3 - Further Complications - Jarvis Cocker - 12 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
94.4 - Weeds II - Pulp - 12 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
95.1 - Angela - Jarvis Cocker - 11 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
95.2 - Don't You Want Me Anymore? - Pulp - 11 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
95.3 - Grandfather's Nursery - Pulp - 11 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones
95.4 - I Never Said I Was Deep - Jarvis Cocker - 11 points - 1 votes, 0 number ones

So vote-splitting means the conservatives won Inside Susan got knocked out of contention! But Stacks placed higher! :)

Here's my ballot. Very Intro/H'n'H heavy.

1 David's Last Summer
2 Acrylic afternoons
3 Razzamatazz
4 Pink Glove
5 Stacks
6 Inside Susan
7 Common People
8 Sorted for Es and Wizz
9 Do you remember the first time?
10 Joyriders
11 OU
12 Help the aged
13 Lipgloss
14 Seconds
15 I Spy
16 Running the World (Jarvis Cocker)
17 Cocaine Socialism
18 First Man in space (All Seeing I)
19 Your Sister's Clothes
20 Sheffield: Sex City

1. Pink Glove
2. Disco 2000
3. Common People
4. Something Changed
5. Joyriders
6. Little Girl (With Blue Eyes)
7. Happy Endings
8. Sylvia
9. Lipgloss
10. I Spy
11. I Want You
12. This is Hardcore
13. Glory Days
14. The Birds in Your Garden
15. A Little Soul
16. Your Sister's Clothes
17. Dogs are Everywhere
18. She's a Lady
19. Weeds II
20. Sunrise

The album starts strong, peaks massively, hits a little turbulence at "TV Movie", and then by "Sylvia" I'm starting to feel filthy and nauseous. The last thing I need at that point is more songs. But "Glory Days" and "The Day After the Revolution" are so great (especially "Glory Days")! It just took me a while to realize it. Actually, now that I think of it, I like "TV Movie" too. That incongruous, tuneless whistle halfway through makes me lol every time, and I like the way he spits out, "Why pre-TTTEND any longer?" There's really no duds on this album, in my opinion. I guess the one I'm most likely to skip is "Seductive Barry".

I agree with nearly all of this ... when I finally got into "Glory Days" and "The Day After the Revolution", TIH went from being the "difficult follow-up to DC" to "maybe the best Pulp album?" for me. The weak links are "TV Movie" (although it works well as a sort-of intermission to the album), "Party Hard", and "Seductive Barry" (Pulp could never do epics and should have never recorded a song longer than seven minutes).

My #1, "My Legendary Girlfriend" is a sentimental favorite for me since it was the first Pulp song I heard, and Separations was the first album I bought - and only one I had for a long time. Pulp was never popular in the US (none of their singles charted here, and Hardcore was the only album that even made the top 200), so I had no idea until many years later that they'd become huge in their home country and elsewhere. I still wasn't aware "Common People" was their smash hit or signature song - I've never heard it on the radio.

I decided to make things easier on myself by considering only Pulp songs - no JC solo, collaborations, or guest appearances (although I would have loved to include "Fuckingsong"). I somehow forgot to include "...First Time" on my ballot, but am relieved to see that didn't affect its placement; indeed I would have probably put it at #3. My ballot:

1. My Legendary Girlfriend
2. The Fear
3. Blue Girls
4. Ansaphone
5. Babies
6. Separations
7. Acrylic Afternoons
8. Underwear
9. Morning Dew
10. O.U.
11. Love Love
12. This Is Hardcore
13. 97 Lovers
14. Live Bed Show
15. I Want You
16. Glory Days
17 .My Lighthouse
18. Being Followed Home
19. Weeds
20. Sunrise

- 11 songs that placed in the top 41
- 4 songs that nobody else voted for

I wish you had voted for Fuckingsong! I did. It probably still wouldn't have placed but at least I'd get to think about it twice. In fact, I think I'll put that on right now.. :)

That song pretty much sums up Jarvis's ethos for me

It's sort of the less-creepy PTA, no? Or at least - PTA might not have grossed me out as much if he wrote about it as if "it's just a fucking song." N.B. I'm fine being grossed out by him.

I never made that connection, but yes P.T.A. is creepy. FS is more like JC's message to groupies that IRL he can't live up to their image of him, so they're best off just listening to their favorite records since they'll always live up to your expectations. Or something like that....

That interpretation makes sense.. I had just thought of it as "the perfect girl" or somesuch with his allusions to how in real life he's late, messy, etc. Hey, the teenage girl inside me is satisfied! ;)

I just stumbled across http://www.jarviscocker.net/ which I had never visited before and am having great fun watching him eat an apple, read a book, etc in the header. Teehee!

The weak links are "TV Movie" (although it works well as a sort-of intermission to the album), "Party Hard", and "Seductive Barry" (Pulp could never do epics and should have never recorded a song longer than seven minutes).

i disagree with this so much! "Seductive Barry" and "You're In My Eyes (Discosong)" off the last Jarvis solo album were both on my ballot because i think he's GREAT at the 8-minute slow burn (and i probably wouldn't mind if the 6-minute slow burns like "F.E.E.L.I.N.G." and "This Is Hardcore" were a bit longer). those songs are really just masterful achievements in pacing and mood.

Told my husband to guess which song placed #1 and he guessed Song 2 ;_; He's more of a soul man. But still. Sob!