Twin Peaks: Classic or Dud?

it's explicit in both series and movie that cooper has a psychic connection with laura that extends backwards and forwards in time

Actually, I think only in the movie it is stated that Cooper has had visions of Laura before he came to Twin Peaks. The series itself doesn't make this connection.

why doesn't cooper leave when he's suspended from the fbi? cause again i think he's no longer making totally "human" choices, and is complicit in something much larger! (and also outside the scope of "classical tragedy")

Haha, I saw in that completely different light, I thought that was one of the more human moments Cooper had. I mean, I think it was made pretty clear that he stayed in Twin Peaks because he liked it there, he liked the people and the coffee and the trees and everything.

Re: the twitching hands - when Cooper's hand twitched, obviously I thought it had something to do with Bob trying to attack him, but then it happened to Pete too, after which I had no explanation. I think it was just one of those clues that never really lead anywhere, like Josie inside the wooden knob, Ben being scared of something we never see, the mystery man in the woods with Leo, Little Nicky, Windom Earle's poem to Donna, Audrey and Shelly, etc. Like I said, it seems that at some point the writers were just making stuff up as they went along, so I wouldn't read too much into it.

I watched epsiode one last night. It only really gets good when Agent Cooper appears.

The picture quality is a little murky.

It struck me the latest time I watched is that Cooper actually does enter through the White Lodge - his motivation is his love for Annie, not fear or hate - and transits between Lodges once on the other side after talking to The Man From Another Place and Laura having been given the warning "the next time you see us we will not be the same".

Does anyone have any idea what the hand signals Laura does in the final episode mean? Just something random Lynch came up with?

cooper's attraction to twin peaks is obv on a mystic/psychic level as well as a good cherry pie level, even if this isn't explicitly acknowledged. it would go against the inherent conservatism of his character to claim to want to be part of that darkness (this goes back to sexyDancer's post upthread about constructing and deconstructing familiarity).

"the wood contains many spirits, doesn't it margaret?"--josie disappears into the wood just as the log lady's husband did. people fade into their surroundings when the tragedies those surroundings have witnessed choose to claim them. the ugliness in the martell house finally rang josie's number. i've always thought of this as a classic ghost story thing.

obv they were making random shit up, mark frost said as much in a recent interview. just cause there's no nabokovian grand master whose moves you're trying to follow doesn't mean you can't see possibilities in the loose ends, and spin stoner theories till the coffee gets cold. i like to think the mystery man in the woods with leo was windam earle but who knows?

i love arguing about this show but it's too late and i'm still too drunk and i have a very important haircut first thing in the morning. actually i'm happy to blame the whole bloody mess on heather graham and billy zane and just leave it at that.

it would go against the inherent conservatism of his character to claim to want to be part of that darkness

But this would be true only if "darkness" was the defining element of Twin Peaks, and it never seemed like Cooper (or anyone else) thought that way.

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/5984/twinpeaksdefinitivegoldoj5.jpg

October 30th in the US. With deleted scenes and pilot!

(see http://dugpa.com/ for more info)

or this for the full press release:

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=7769

What, *everything* ?

:):):)

No, not everything - the Fire Walk With Me movie is still a separate release.

still, rad.

Oh FFS. I'll wait for this to massively drop in price, or a Deep Discount sale or something, and see if I can sell my other boxes.

me too, if this ever gets a R2 edition :-(

Or a fucking r4.

):):):

God dangit, I just bought the season 2 set.

They should do a "return both your season 1 and 2 boxes and get x dollar off the box" - but then so should all those labels who do exactly the same thing with CDs that we buy nevertheless.

i want this! my birthday's in december... ;)

After having seen Inland Empire it feels like the Black Lodge scene in the final episode preshadows it, since both of them show how boring Lynch can get when his imagination is given a totally free reign. I think he does need outside balancing forces (producers, co-writers, or even a goddamn script!) not to fall victim to his worst instincts.

You say boring, I say potato.

:D

It's released on my birthday!

Very glad I held off on picking up any previous sets/discs (aside from the movie). Xmas ahoy...

guess I gotta sell those Season 1 and 2 sets arrrghhh

Yeah, I held off on the boxed sets too and just borrowed them from a friend of mine who is now completely pissed off that he's going to have to shell out for this new boxed set. Oh well, I'm a leech. I'm super pumped about the deleted scenes. Perhaps the pilot will be the actual pilot and not the bizarre standalone pilot that was available forever on VHS with the nonsensical tacked-on ending.

it has both versions of the pilot

"standalone pilot with the bizarre ending" = European version

I don't know if I've ever mentioned it -- I don't think I have on here -- but the woman who played Dr. Jacoby's wife Eolani in the one scene where he's visited in the hospital by Cooper and Truman was a classmate of mine at UCLA, Jennifer Aquino; she was on the same dorm floor I was in our freshman year there, which was a couple of years before the show. Very cool and friendly person! As you can see from the link, that appearance was her first 'major' part as such (there's a piece in the Daily Bruin from that year where she was interviewed and admitted that while she loved doing it, she was a bit frustrated with the role being essentially a stereotypical eye-candy part with no lines -- can't find it online, their archives only go back to 1994) and she's been plugging away ever since.

I think gygax! RIP said it best:

You guys are misjudging that Twin Peaks was all Lynch's ideas... Mark Frost (Hill Street Blues, $6 Million Man) had a huge hand in overseeing the writing and production of the series.
-- gygax! (gygax!), Friday, October 8, 2004 10:16 AM (2 years ago)

Such good news.

About fucking time.

happy hannukah, me!

roxy otm.

between this, blade runner and the kubrick dvds i am going to be one busy nerd

not to mention a broke one, ha

so, how much?

USD 65 @ Amazon.com, out next week!

http://www.amazon.com/Twin-Peaks-Definitive-Gold-Complete/dp/B000UX6THK

(no sign of a region 2 yet, not on amazon.co.uk, at least)

Can someone tell me when the fuck the UK version of season 2 is going to be released?

I have the Dutch edition. No Dutch subtitles is kinda English too, according to the commenters on the second hand/import reviewers here:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Twin-Peaks-Complete-Season-Boxset/dp/B000S2I8X6

Are you ordering it, Stan? I mean, what with the weak dollah and all... :-)

very excited.

I don't think I've seen the American version of the pilot since it was broadcast.

xpost: No, I've only bought that second season a couple of months ago and I don't think my player does R1 discs. At the very least, I'll wait a while to see if this gold edition isn't going to be released over here as well.

Did you google for info on how to unlock your DVD player? Most of'em do, you only need to find the required info on the net or... something.

Yes, and it doesn't have one. I could send it to some shoddy guy in England who will put a modchip in it and charge me half the price of a new one, so I don't think I'll bother. I can watch R1 discs on my PC (I did before I bought the TV), but I'm holding off on the gold thing mainly because I only just got that Season 2 box.

my "Gold Edition" arrived today hurrrah

This guy thinks the new set blows

no commentries?

I watch this video at least once a day
http://www.amazon.com/gp/mpd/permalink/m21O4TZUJYAQGI:m2KPIR84304F95/104-3755093-3823932

The result is a R1 season 1 boxset with some extras, a not great print, the commentaries, DTS sound but no pilot. A R2 boxset with the pilot included, but no DTS. A definitive edition that adds a bunch of new extras, restored prints, but loses DTS sound, loses the commentaries and loses some other extras that were on the individual season boxsets.

I have no idea what this guy is talking about. The box set I have is R1 and has the pilot, remastered 5.1 audio and a remastered picture from the original negative ("personally approved by David Lynch"), lots of extras but no commentaries. The commentaries were crap anyway and weren't by Lynch, who really cares about those...?

I think the first two sentences in that quote are referring to the original season one releases. And the third sentence is talking about the new box set. He doesn't explain himself very clearly I admit.

I have a hard time thinking that a) DTS is somehow demonstrably superior to a 5.1 audio remaster approved by Lynch himself (esp. considering that this was a fucking TV SHOW that was originally intended for broadcast across shitty TV speakers) and b) that ditching the commentaries (which were not that interesting to begin with) is somehow a horrible loss. I mean, these are his major complaints, this nitpicking bullshit?