Creation Records

"My Beauty" supposedly only sold 400 "on all formats", so I must have the rarest minidisc release of all time.

Except the story is obviously bol.

OMG:

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Well they did tour together and all in 1993. But Dave had his routine down WELL before then.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:06 PM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark

Ah, y'see I've never seen any footage of the World Violation tour... but there seems to me to be a hell of a difference between his 101/Music For The Masses stage presence and that on Devotional(!). Allegedly the Primals were more than a bit taken aback by Depeche's level of partying on that tour... I'm really not surprised that tour nearly broke them.

The saddest thing about the 'stopping' of Creation was seeing the upcoming schedule of albums, now documented on a number of Creation fan websites as "CRE 1562 - Dexys Midnight Runners album - unreleased".

AlMac talks about bowing out with dignity, but I have absolutely no doubt the whole thing happened purely due to Sony interference and Macg had absolutely no control over timing or situation. I don't blame him at all though.

Ah Tony McCarrol, bless him. Don't he look a lot like Lol "lol" Tolhurst?

'Be Here Now' flopping

It did what now

Funny, in those days Liam looked like a college student!

Mishka, like Sugar, were amongst a bunch of acts that weren't 'defined' at all by being on Creation, so no great surprise *he*'s still going.

― Mark G, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:07 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

I suppose... but you could see what McGee saw in Sugar... I just couldn't see what he saw in Mishka at all!

My Beauty" supposedly only sold 400 "on all formats", so I must have the rarest minidisc release of all time.

Except the story is obviously bol.

― Mark G, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:08 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

Yeah, I thought it was bollocks and just a bit of a vicious rumour. Hasn't McGee attempted to debunk that myth several times over? I do remember Kevin Rowland wrote a couple of barbed letters to the music press at the time defending his choice of attire: "It's a MAN'S dress!" etc.

No, that was David Bowie.

Get down!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN-vcyNWDjM

I saw him at Reading Festival around this time.

Actually, he went down alright for the most part. A few things were thrown, but only 'at first', and ending with "You'll never walk alone" appealed to the 'football lads' crowd enough...

Be Here Now' flopping

It did what now

― henri grenouille (Frogman Henry), Friday, October 28, 2011 10:14 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

I mean, of course it broke records for sales on its first day of release and was one of the most eagerly awaited records of the '90s in the UK... but upon getting home and playing the album through the first time, it was a crushing disappointment. And a crushing disappointment that you got the sense you were sharing with pretty much a large percentage of the rest of the country. Oasis still sold albums afterwards of course, but they did lose a large percentage of their audience with that record, who moved onto other things.. and there were a hell of a lot of decent records released in '97 that one could listen to instead.

Ah, the Furries!

Well, the 'death of indie' would have happened anyway, and it (be here now) did not 'hasten' it or anything like it.

Ah Tony McCarrol, bless him. Don't he look a lot like Lol "lol" Tolhurst?

― Mark G, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:13 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

Hahaha... he does! How wonderful!

mm, just thought it needed clarification. obviously it was a piece of shit and everyone who heard it knew that but it sold 8 mill units worldwide by the end of 1997 according to wiki so, you know, not a flop.

Noel always had a knack for a tune and some well put-together lines.

But, the majority of Oasis albums had their fair share of filler, they were called 'verses'

Well, the 'death of indie' would have happened anyway, and it (be here now) did not 'hasten' it or anything like it.

― Mark G, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:20 PM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark

Of course it would have done, and of course 'Be Here Now' didn't hasten it... but it was one of the first moments that I remember thinking "McGee, you could have said 'no'." - but at the same time I get the impression he would have never had it in him to do that, not to mention Sony would have wanted that album no matter what it was.

I guess we're not getting "Hairstyle of the devil" then.

mm, just thought it needed clarification. obviously it was a piece of shit and everyone who heard it knew that but it sold 8 mill units worldwide by the end of 1997 according to wiki so, you know, not a flop.

― henri grenouille (Frogman Henry), Friday, October 28, 2011 10:21 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

There's different kinds of flops. Obviously 'Be Here Now' wasn't a commercial flop, but it was much more than a flop on so many other levels.

xpost well, all those years of punk bands (and bands before and after, to be fair), being all "We want to make records free of Record Company Interference", and yet because the peopple running this label were a 'bit cooler', it's OK for AlMug to 'step in'?

Noel always had a knack for a tune and some well put-together lines.

But, the majority of Oasis albums had their fair share of filler, they were called 'verses'

― Mark G, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:22 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

I liked those first two Oasis albums. This track playing now pretty much defines the word 'filler'. All seven fucking useless minutes of it.

xxp
blowing my mind tbh

See, Noel could not write a 1min59 song to save his bacon!

3 Colours Red got onto totp? Who Knew!

If they jumped around a bit more, they could have been Busted!

(That's a compliment, btw)

well, all those years of punk bands (and bands before and after, to be fair), being all "We want to make records free of Record Company Interference", and yet because the peopple running this label were a 'bit cooler', it's OK for AlMug to 'step in'?

― Mark G, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:25 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark

Well, Bobby G did say during the documentary that he found McGee invaluable as an adviser, and the impression that I got from reading McGee's thoughts on 'Be Here Now' is that he wasn't particularly keen on what they were doing. As it turned out, neither was anyone else - including Noel Gallagher himself about a year after the album came out!

Apparently half of 3 Colours Red became these guys:

http://www.myspace.com/bassknives

Ugh ugh ugh @ 3CR

See, Noel could not write a 1min59 song to save his bacon!

― Mark G, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:25 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

Ah, now that I can agree with. Even on the first couple of albums the tracks go on maybe a bit longer than they should... but he took it to an extreme on 'Be Here Now', with songs that were nowhere near as good!

AlanM didn't "like" Loveless or "Wake Up"

So, that's the influential album, and Creation's first number one hit sorted then.

Nice to see Shields and McGee acknowledging their internal flaws at the time of Loveless. Otherwise I just hate all these Friday night ads for good honest music.

Be here Now got written out of history, that ws good.

But he did 'like' Oasis.

(Actually, just checked, Oasis got Creation's first number one. Then again, they were 'leased' to Cre, so maybe not)

In the case of "Wake Up", apparently Boo Radleys made it as a joke. Still by far their best work though (but might have been disappointing to those who were used to them being more of a shoegazing act)

I still think the entirety of their 'Giant Steps' album is their best work. There are moments on that that one could call a bit shoegaze-y, like 'Run My Way Runway' (which is awesome, IMO), but I don't consider it a shoegaze album at all.

I adore their noisy buzzy, early single "Kaleidoscope" - my favourite Boos song.

I've quite fond of early Boos as well, some great stuff on 'Ichabod & I' and 'Everything's Alright Forever'.

*I'm

oh god, yeah. I've not even seen this programme and the memories are flooding back. I have so much love for this Creation stuff I grew up with. I have very fond memories of seeing the MBV, Ride & Slowdive cardboard CD covers in a strange little plastic temporary shop in the Quiggins centre in Liverpool. That place was awesome.

They're definitely one of two record labels which helped to shape my tastes. The other was Mute!

I still think the entirety of their 'Giant Steps' album is their best work. There are moments on that that one could call a bit shoegaze-y, like 'Run My Way Runway' (which is awesome, IMO), but I don't consider it a shoegaze album at all.

I would say "Everything's Alright Forever" was a shoegazing album. "Giant Steps" was sorta transitional towards the rest of their output. "Giant Steps" was.... hard to categorize..... while the last one I guess had a bit of the Britpop feel of "Wake Up" to it against.

again

"C'mon kids" was hard to categorize, I mean.

Yeah, 'C'mon Kids' is a bit of a weird one. There were some interesting tracks on 'Wake Up!' to go alongside the chirpy Britpoppiness of the singles, I thought. 'C'mon Kids' is strange because sometimes it does come across as a bit of a reaction against the previous record, yet sometimes it seems like Martin Carr/Sice wants to be in Oasis (as on the title track and parts of 'Ride The Tiger'). It's like this crazy mixed bag of shoegaze elements, psychedelic elements, a tiny bit of dub... all mashed together with elements of Oasis.

Ultimately it's one of those records that I admire rather than love - I'm pleased that the band made it and made an attempt to try some new things (for them) out, and I listen to parts of it and think 'wow, that's a bit of a neat idea, I like that' - but I'd never dig it out to listen to for enjoyment.

may i ask to what extent MBV is talked of? i just sorta imagine them getting a brief "they thought they were the irish reaction to husker du... TEHY WERE WRONG" and then cue creation's demise

My Bloody Valentine are talked about quite favourably, actually. McGee acknowledges he didn't know what he had when he signed them, and he also mentions that even though 'Loveless' cost a great deal of money to make, it was far more likelier that a combination of amount of drugs that were being done at the label and the general carelessness of McGee/Dick Green/Creation was far more likely a factor in the labels financial problems than My Bloody Valentine making 'Loveless'.

such a shame lawrence was ill during the filming of this

i still thing that the Boo Radleys are the best band ever, EVER.

most say that Giants Steps is the best album but i still (until my death bed) will say Kingsize is their very best. C'mon Kids is absolutely brilliant, loud, fucked up and simmering with life. "Fortunate Sons" still might be their best song.

"Fortunate Sons" "Four Saints"

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