Creation Records

The only time I saw them live was around this time.

Good grief, Mishka's still around.

http://mishka.com/

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I'm more than bit jealous! I love 'Screamadelica'/'XTRMNTR' (which I noticed Bobby G seemed really pissed off about, re: the marketing/promo due to Creation closing!), but their early stuff is very very underrated IMO, some truly wonderful songs there.

Here's a thing, I've never heard "Feed me with your kiss" until now!

Ah, now the Primals on TOTP with "Loaded"

At the time, they looked weird. Now it's the standard look for a 'fill-in' band backing the contestants on X-Factor "brit-pop" week.

Good grief, Mishka's still around.

http://mishka.com/

― Ned Raggett, Friday, October 28, 2011 9:56 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

Christ! Who would've thought!? I remember reading the news of Mishka being signed to Creation in the music press, and I just remember thinking "well, he doesn't seem like a Creation artist"... it seemed like the latest in a line of things which gave the impression that McGee was losing his touch and the label were 'losing it'... 'Be Here Now' flopping was one, the rumours that 'My Beauty' had sold a pitiful amount of copies (and of course who could forget the cover?)...

I think Dave Gahan learned a thing or two from Bobby Gillespies moves 'back in the day'!

Well they did tour together and all in 1993. But Dave had his routine down WELL before then.

1994, actually, but anyway.

Mishka, like Sugar, were amongst a bunch of acts that weren't 'defined' at all by being on Creation, so no great surprise *he*'s still going.

Y'know, watching Ride now... and it's amazing to think Andy Bell ended up forming 'Hurricane #1' and then ended up playing bass for Oasis... and you listen to this and think "why!? why did you want to go in that direction!?"... I mean, I appreciate that the times they were a'changing and all that, but fuck!!

"My Beauty" supposedly only sold 400 "on all formats", so I must have the rarest minidisc release of all time.

Except the story is obviously bol.

OMG:

Mishka (born Alexander Mishka Frith,[1] 1974) is an internationally known reggae artist from Bermuda. He released his first self-titled album Mishka in 1999 and had a hit single in the UK with "Give You All The Love". He is currently signed to Matthew McConaughey's record label, j.k. livin, and is touring in support of his latest album, Talk About.

Well they did tour together and all in 1993. But Dave had his routine down WELL before then.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:06 PM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark

Ah, y'see I've never seen any footage of the World Violation tour... but there seems to me to be a hell of a difference between his 101/Music For The Masses stage presence and that on Devotional(!). Allegedly the Primals were more than a bit taken aback by Depeche's level of partying on that tour... I'm really not surprised that tour nearly broke them.

The saddest thing about the 'stopping' of Creation was seeing the upcoming schedule of albums, now documented on a number of Creation fan websites as "CRE 1562 - Dexys Midnight Runners album - unreleased".

AlMac talks about bowing out with dignity, but I have absolutely no doubt the whole thing happened purely due to Sony interference and Macg had absolutely no control over timing or situation. I don't blame him at all though.

Ah Tony McCarrol, bless him. Don't he look a lot like Lol "lol" Tolhurst?

'Be Here Now' flopping

It did what now

Funny, in those days Liam looked like a college student!

Mishka, like Sugar, were amongst a bunch of acts that weren't 'defined' at all by being on Creation, so no great surprise *he*'s still going.

― Mark G, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:07 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

I suppose... but you could see what McGee saw in Sugar... I just couldn't see what he saw in Mishka at all!

My Beauty" supposedly only sold 400 "on all formats", so I must have the rarest minidisc release of all time.

Except the story is obviously bol.

― Mark G, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:08 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

Yeah, I thought it was bollocks and just a bit of a vicious rumour. Hasn't McGee attempted to debunk that myth several times over? I do remember Kevin Rowland wrote a couple of barbed letters to the music press at the time defending his choice of attire: "It's a MAN'S dress!" etc.

No, that was David Bowie.

Get down!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN-vcyNWDjM

I saw him at Reading Festival around this time.

Actually, he went down alright for the most part. A few things were thrown, but only 'at first', and ending with "You'll never walk alone" appealed to the 'football lads' crowd enough...

Be Here Now' flopping

It did what now

― henri grenouille (Frogman Henry), Friday, October 28, 2011 10:14 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

I mean, of course it broke records for sales on its first day of release and was one of the most eagerly awaited records of the '90s in the UK... but upon getting home and playing the album through the first time, it was a crushing disappointment. And a crushing disappointment that you got the sense you were sharing with pretty much a large percentage of the rest of the country. Oasis still sold albums afterwards of course, but they did lose a large percentage of their audience with that record, who moved onto other things.. and there were a hell of a lot of decent records released in '97 that one could listen to instead.

Ah, the Furries!

Well, the 'death of indie' would have happened anyway, and it (be here now) did not 'hasten' it or anything like it.

Ah Tony McCarrol, bless him. Don't he look a lot like Lol "lol" Tolhurst?

― Mark G, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:13 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

Hahaha... he does! How wonderful!

mm, just thought it needed clarification. obviously it was a piece of shit and everyone who heard it knew that but it sold 8 mill units worldwide by the end of 1997 according to wiki so, you know, not a flop.

Noel always had a knack for a tune and some well put-together lines.

But, the majority of Oasis albums had their fair share of filler, they were called 'verses'

Well, the 'death of indie' would have happened anyway, and it (be here now) did not 'hasten' it or anything like it.

― Mark G, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:20 PM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark

Of course it would have done, and of course 'Be Here Now' didn't hasten it... but it was one of the first moments that I remember thinking "McGee, you could have said 'no'." - but at the same time I get the impression he would have never had it in him to do that, not to mention Sony would have wanted that album no matter what it was.

I guess we're not getting "Hairstyle of the devil" then.

mm, just thought it needed clarification. obviously it was a piece of shit and everyone who heard it knew that but it sold 8 mill units worldwide by the end of 1997 according to wiki so, you know, not a flop.

― henri grenouille (Frogman Henry), Friday, October 28, 2011 10:21 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

There's different kinds of flops. Obviously 'Be Here Now' wasn't a commercial flop, but it was much more than a flop on so many other levels.

xpost well, all those years of punk bands (and bands before and after, to be fair), being all "We want to make records free of Record Company Interference", and yet because the peopple running this label were a 'bit cooler', it's OK for AlMug to 'step in'?

Noel always had a knack for a tune and some well put-together lines.

But, the majority of Oasis albums had their fair share of filler, they were called 'verses'

― Mark G, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:22 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

I liked those first two Oasis albums. This track playing now pretty much defines the word 'filler'. All seven fucking useless minutes of it.

xxp
blowing my mind tbh

See, Noel could not write a 1min59 song to save his bacon!

3 Colours Red got onto totp? Who Knew!

If they jumped around a bit more, they could have been Busted!

(That's a compliment, btw)

well, all those years of punk bands (and bands before and after, to be fair), being all "We want to make records free of Record Company Interference", and yet because the peopple running this label were a 'bit cooler', it's OK for AlMug to 'step in'?

― Mark G, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:25 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark

Well, Bobby G did say during the documentary that he found McGee invaluable as an adviser, and the impression that I got from reading McGee's thoughts on 'Be Here Now' is that he wasn't particularly keen on what they were doing. As it turned out, neither was anyone else - including Noel Gallagher himself about a year after the album came out!

Apparently half of 3 Colours Red became these guys:

http://www.myspace.com/bassknives

Ugh ugh ugh @ 3CR

See, Noel could not write a 1min59 song to save his bacon!

― Mark G, Friday, October 28, 2011 10:25 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

Ah, now that I can agree with. Even on the first couple of albums the tracks go on maybe a bit longer than they should... but he took it to an extreme on 'Be Here Now', with songs that were nowhere near as good!

AlanM didn't "like" Loveless or "Wake Up"

So, that's the influential album, and Creation's first number one hit sorted then.

Nice to see Shields and McGee acknowledging their internal flaws at the time of Loveless. Otherwise I just hate all these Friday night ads for good honest music.

Be here Now got written out of history, that ws good.

But he did 'like' Oasis.

(Actually, just checked, Oasis got Creation's first number one. Then again, they were 'leased' to Cre, so maybe not)

In the case of "Wake Up", apparently Boo Radleys made it as a joke. Still by far their best work though (but might have been disappointing to those who were used to them being more of a shoegazing act)

I still think the entirety of their 'Giant Steps' album is their best work. There are moments on that that one could call a bit shoegaze-y, like 'Run My Way Runway' (which is awesome, IMO), but I don't consider it a shoegaze album at all.

I adore their noisy buzzy, early single "Kaleidoscope" - my favourite Boos song.

I've quite fond of early Boos as well, some great stuff on 'Ichabod & I' and 'Everything's Alright Forever'.

*I'm

scrolling through their discography it occurs that the only thing saving them from turning into a complete embarrassment in the second half of the 90s was SFA. not sorry

but after Xtrmntr and Guerrilla my third favourite Creation album is C'mon Kids :(

oh that's up there for me too, don't think of them as late 90s though! and XTRMNTR isn't even 90s lol (i like it too)

cmon kids as best boos album is a great call tbc

nah was just saying C'mon Kids was second half of the 90s!

This thread prompted me to sell The Telescopes Precious Little EP at the record store. A nastier sounding piece of vinyl would be hard to imagine. I got $5 for it though!

House of Love is a total classic, on the other hand.

I can’t think of any record that encapsulates the nightmare of the last 20ish years as well as XTRMNTR.

Right? I discovered it right at the beginning of lockdown, it absolutely hits the right (f-ed up) tones of the times.

C'mon Kids is a masterpiece, one day I will poll it.

Will just need to make sure Dog Latin is around

C'mon Kids is a masterpiece, one day I will poll it.

― Bee OK, Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:46 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

there's a 33 1/3 book inside me about C'mon Kids.

It's a great British Psychedelic album, as good as Piper, Butterfly, Sgt Pepper etc.

Songs about the seaside - check
Creepy Childrens song - check
Guitar Freakouts - check
William Blake reference - check
'pop' songs for 'the kids' - check

xp I'm around!