Rolling Teenpop 2006 Thread

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(oops, addiction is actually copyright 2005, and their singer *might* be male, though i'm guessing not. songwriters are "beth richard, jason richard")

(george explains the TV show on the metal thread, if you're interested)

xhuxk, Friday, 3 February 2006 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

so....*Truly Madly Completely: The Best of Savage Garden*. Some of the bonus tracks seem okay, but I'm still not sure how much time is worth expending on this given the fact that I still own their excellent debut album. After which I totally lost track of them -- does anybody know if they did any tracks later halfway as good as "To The Moon And Back" or "I Want You" or "Break Me Shake Me"? If so, can you direct me to said tracks immediately?

xhuxk, Saturday, 4 February 2006 23:17 (eighteen years ago) link

No, they sadly didn't, although '1980 me' on Darren's solo (or was it second solo?) record was pretty decent.

And 'Break Me Shake Me' was the underrated gem of that album!

Abby (abby mcdonald), Sunday, 5 February 2006 03:06 (eighteen years ago) link

wow, Enrique Iglesias has a great song called "Break Me Shake Me" on his Seven album. And it's not the same song!

I might buy a Savage Garden comp!

Zwan (miccio), Sunday, 5 February 2006 03:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Long discussion of amazing Latin American teen dance-pop phenomenon (who probably have my favorite album of 2006 so far) here:

Rolling World Music 2006 Thread

xhuxk, Sunday, 5 February 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

oops, I should say their name, duh! Search "Axe Bahia"

xhuxk, Sunday, 5 February 2006 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link

>sadly didn't, although '1980 me' on Darren's solo (or was it second solo?) record was pretty decent.<

I dunno. I am kind of liking "Animal Song" (especially its Diddley/glitter drum rumble start) and "Love Can Move You" (fast beautiful high-register electro disco building momentum toward rock and at least partially about New York) and maybe "Affirmation" (long list of stuff they say they believe in though they're probably lying about a lot of them) and "Hold Me"s boy-band prettiness and the funk and Jesus references and Calvin Klein Obsession references and train rhythms on some of the other B-sides on this new best of. Seems like a smartly chosen selection, and in general I'd forgotten how weird these guys' words could be. I'll always have a sentimental attachment to the debut, but if Anthony's gotta buy one or the other, I can't swear that the best-of wouldn't be the better long-term investment. (Debut's more *manageable* at 11 songs not 17, though, and it's got their best ones.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 5 February 2006 20:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, the debut STARTS with "To the Moon and Back," so you don't have to wait for it. "Break Me Shake Me" track #8 on debut, #7 on best-of, so that's pretty much a tie.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 5 February 2006 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll probably just dl the hits I can find and if I don't really like the non-debut tracks I'll just pick that up if I ever see it in a clearance rack.

Zwan (miccio), Sunday, 5 February 2006 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I hated Savage Garden in high school except for "Truly, Madly, Deeply" which I secretly loved. I remember this big poster of the Affirmation cover at a local store and wishing that the guys were holding puppies like Captain & Tennille.

Zwan (miccio), Sunday, 5 February 2006 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link

xp: Wow, I can imagine a puppy who looked like Tenille, but the Captain? That's just crazy! Anyway, speaking of animals, I just realized that "Animal Song" actually kind of reminds me of "Primitive Love" on the first Suzi Quatro album -- or at least I could totally imagine following up "Primitive Love" with it in a DJ set. (That's a very high compliment by the way.)

xhuxk, Sunday, 5 February 2006 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link

ha, i was just going to say that the obvious analogy is roxette (whose "the look" "i want you" always sounded like), where the debut album stays on the living room shelf but I still keep the best-of in storage for posterity, but then i checked my living room shelf, and whoops, it's the best-of (*Dont Bore Us - Get To the Chorus,* Edel, 2000) that's there, not the debut album after all! So how this battle will pan out historically only time will tell.

xhuxk, Sunday, 5 February 2006 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm listening to some tracks now and jesus this "Animal Song" is insane.

Zwan (miccio), Sunday, 5 February 2006 21:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I've heard four Aly & AJ songs, three of which you can forget about (at least in their versions)(provided that Radio Disney stops playing them ever), the fourth one, "Rush," I adore, starts with slow-strummed brooding folk-rock drone not unlike Fairport Convention, then launching into a wailing chorus that seems to split the difference between Shanks & DioGuardi and the Matrix. I guess this follows the pattern set up by Shanks & Branch with "Everywhere": sensitive strum followed by loud catchy-whiny chorus. Anyway, songwriting credits are different depending on the source, but some of the sources give you get the two Michalka sisters and Dan James and Leah Haywood, with James and Haywood doing the production.

So...

With a name as common as Dan James googling didn't get me anywhere immediately, though I may try again when I have more time. Googling Leah Haywood, however, I got a young Australian singer who hit in 2001 in the Antipodes with a dance pop album, some of which had input from the Cheiron Swedes, some of which was recorded in Los Angeles, little of which sold in the States. I don't know if this is the same woman as the Aly & AJ Haywood, and I never heard the Haywood album. Any info?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 6 February 2006 05:14 (eighteen years ago) link

When I reviewed Savage Garden's Affirmation I said that "You Can Still Be Free" was in shooting distance of greatness and that there were maybe another four tracks that were worth listening to more than once, none of which were "Affirmation" or "The Animal Song," I don't think, though that might be wrong. I either tossed the alb or stuck into an disorganized pile in my closet, so I can't test this theory at the moment. I wrote that "The Animal Song" deserved some kind of award for packing the most stupidity into four-and-a-half minutes, citing this particular gem: "Animals and children tell the truth, they never lie."

"Truly Madly Deeply" was maybe my second or third least favorite on the first album, though I haven't listened this century. I think I've got a promo cassette of it somewhere. Hayes has an amazing voice.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 6 February 2006 05:33 (eighteen years ago) link

So I really need to see High School Musical:

Last week 'Breaking Free' by Zac Efron & Vanessa Anne Hudgens debuted at number 84 on the Hot 100. This week, when it moved to number 4 it rewrote the history books as no single has ever jumped from such a low number to the top in one week. Also, last week Zac Efron was the first artist to ever have two singles debut simultaneously. This week that record was tied by Ashley Tisdale and Lucas Gabreel with 'What I've Been Looking For' and 'Bop To The Top.'


Billboard Hot 100

4. Zac Efron & Vanessa Anne Hudgens - Breaking Free
23. Zac Efron - Get'cha Head In The Game
28. Zac Efron & Vanessa Anne Hudgens - Start Of Something New
34. High School Musical Cast - We're All In This Together
35. Ashley Tisdale & Lucas Gabreel - What I've Been Looking For
43. High School Musical Cast - Stick To The Status Quo
62. Ashley Tisdale & Lucas Gabreel - Bop To The Top

Abby (abby mcdonald), Monday, 6 February 2006 10:22 (eighteen years ago) link

the two Michalka sisters

There's also the input of "C. Michalka," who as far as I can tell is their mother. She (co-)wrote the one about kidnapping that, not surprisingly, hasn't made it to RD yet.

According to Allmusic, it's the same Leah Haywood (worked with Jorgen Elofsson and Andreas Carlsson...interesting). Dan James did random production work in "world" music (again AMG's words, not mine).

nameom (nameom), Monday, 6 February 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link

abby you forgot the two other songs from 'high school musical' in the top 100

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 6 February 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Two of my three favorite songs from the Stylus jukebox seem to be latin-teen-dance-pop: Miranda's "Don" and Kapanga's "Rock."

I was actually asked to pitch a version of the rollergirls soundtrack. Looks like the one that made it was better than mine in that it had actual rollerskating content.

Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 6 February 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Have all seen the video to "Don" yet?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 6 February 2006 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Have we*, I mean.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 6 February 2006 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't!

Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 6 February 2006 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link

How is the full Miranda album, anyway?

Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 6 February 2006 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Brace yourselves. This is an... experience.

http://youtube.com/w/don?v=ISBzaPPURvI&search=miranda%20don

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 6 February 2006 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, I'm interested in the full Miranda album as well. When did it come out, how big is it in Argentina, etc etc.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 6 February 2006 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I liked the "Don" video. Wrote about it on some other thread (either the world or the charts one). It's streamed at Launch Yahoo, if Dom's link doesn't work for you. The singer looks not unlike a young David Byrne. Definitely a skittery fear to him.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Miranda are Argentine and (according to Billboard's Leila Colo,

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link

...their "feel-good mix of pop and electronica is making inroads at U.S. radio."

[Oops, clicked submit too soon]

nameom, you seem to know your way around allmusic better than I. I tried Dan James and all I got was his name. (They really did make that site difficult to navigate, even if it does contain a lot of info.)

So, has anyone here heard the Leah Haywood album? Tim F.?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link

(Of course, Miranda is licking their wounds after placing last in its group in the Poptimist World Cup. But perhaps a place on the U.S. charts will make them feel a little better.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Holy shit, best video ever.

Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Jeanne's Morningwood review.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 00:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, the singer from Miranda looks, rather than a young Byrne, like British reality TV hunk/f-list celebrity Anthony Hutton:

http://img.epochtimes.com/i6/5082342541470.jpg

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 00:54 (eighteen years ago) link

In the video he kinda looks like Mr. Bean or Noel Gallagher.

I'm halfway through the album and it's disappointing. Not enough guitar or drums, bleeps too laid-back. Ah well.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Although "Otra vez" actually picks up a bit and gets quite good.

Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link

This guy found me because of my Uncle Sam & the JDAMs page.

"Checks & Balances" US Secret Service-ready teenpop, sung by guy who looks like a homeless person. Simple Plan/Yellowcard, if they were protest bands. Amusing, catchy. If he were famous he'd be a demon on Fox or wiretapped, both probably.

http://myspace.com/jaikwillis

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Added to friends.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I listened to Smash Hits Radio for the first time last night. A strange thing was that most of the hip-hop/r&b (Chris Brown et al.) tended to be played in one segment. But I noticed that Robbie Williams could strike at any time without warning. I'd never appreciated how truly godawful he could be, like a combination of Neil Diamond and Bruce Springsteen at their absolute worst, woodenly dramatic and entangled in his own muscles.

I also noticed that Ashlee's "Boyfriend" sounded way muddier than it does on CD or on Launch Yahoo, which may indicate that Smash Hits have a defective track, or may indicate that you can't trust the fidelity on anything they play.

In any event, here are my notes:

Anastacia "Sick and Tired" - My Anastacia album from a few years back is strong-voiced disco-soul with almost all boring songs. This track, though, is sweet-tuned pop, Anastacia's voice giving the music a bright-rough "character" (not unlike Alanis) without sabotaging the sweetness. Not totally great on first listen, but a nice surprise.

Friday Hill "One Night Alone" - Blah '90s harmonies. [What did I mean by "blah '90s harmonies"? Not sure, since the track didn't stay in my mind. Similar to the harmonies in "Hey Jealousy" if "Hey Jealousy" had been blah instead of nonblah?]

The Cribs "The Modern Way" - Affected Brit sadboy voices: I don't always hate 'em, but I never love 'em.

Sugababes "Ugly" - No, not ugly, just plain, and really disappointing compared to "Freak Like Me" and "Blue" and "Round and Round." My one Sugababes album is unique in being the only one I've heard that goes from great on the first few tracks to not-so-great on the next few and continues on a perfect gradual decline through mediocre, tepid, barely tolerable, and, by the last track, terrible. On that album they get worse the closer they get to "real" r&b. "Ugly" isn't r&b but still lands in "tepid." I don't remember why I think so, actually; something about the harmonies having been through the wash once too often.

[Track order on U.S. alb may not match up with that on the British.]

McFly "Ultraviolet" - Band already denounced on this thread, but I enjoy this. '60sish Yardbirds or Hollies–type harmonies but with no '60s zing, which can be a drawback if you insist on zing in you sing, but likable nonetheless.

Shayne Ward "That's My Goal" - Agh! Gawd! Horrible! I'll go for ten of Robbie Williams to avoid one of these. Amazing that human beings choose to listen to this. It's a ballad, but it's not even "safe" and "gentle" and "comfy" in its zinglessness. It's loud and slow and pelts and pummels you with feeling.

Rachel Stevens "Sweet Dreams of My LA Ex" - Damn, maybe she's as good as the Poptimists say. [But I was so busy tracking down the performer name and song title - the Smash Hits site doesn't show the title of the song being played so I have to do a quick google on the lyrics while a song runs - that I didn't attend to what it sounded like or why I loved it so much. Maybe love it 'cause an ex of mine is from L.A.]

Girls Aloud "Biology" - My first Girls Aloud song! And it's... tuneful... and OK, I suppose. It's a fuller-sounding Robyn-type number, strong beat, but not a melody in the class of "Be Mine!" You think maybe Robyn knows what she's doing in her slightness?

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 9 February 2006 02:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Hah, Frank: "That's My Goal" is already one of the 90 biggest selling songs in UK chart history, and its only been out two months.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 9 February 2006 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Leah Haywood - I remember two songs from about 00/01:

"We Think It's Love" - I hated this at the time, it represented everything I disliked about Australian pop at that point, very much in the mould of Bachelor Girl (who were themselves like Savage Garden with all of the manic energy, the oddness and the expansive production removed, replaced by unthreatening mushy guitar backdrops derived from 90s Tina Arena), but even more straightforward and anonymous in feel. Quite memorable chorus though, but maybe it's just that I used to send it up a bit.

"Taking Back What's Mine" - this definitely sounded like Cheiron, a sort of hard juddering plastic pop groove in the vein of N'Sync's "It's Gonna Be Me" or Britney's "Stronger" or (perhaps closest) Britney's "Don't Go Knocking On My Door". But - and maybe this was just my biases at work - it seemed unconvincing, a really awkward chorus and a general tinge of desperation obscuring the pop dynamics. Soon after this local boyband Human Nature also went down this route with similarly lacklustre results.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 9 February 2006 03:13 (eighteen years ago) link

To go back to Frank's assertion regarding Curve's goth cred--"Chinese Burns" is not only goth. it's a goth girl's defining anthem, it was the theme song for Faith on Buffy, fercryinoutloud!

But otherwise, yes to what you said.

News to me: Lacuna Coil covered Dubstar's plum trip-hoppy confection "Stars." before my hyphen key wears out--trip-hop-secular-teen-goth?

(LC is playing with Rod Zombie. I'm sorely tempted to go, for the Coil, I mean. Has anyone seen them?)

Ian in Brooklyn, Thursday, 9 February 2006 07:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I loved "Chinese Burn" so much more once it had been on Buffy!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 9 February 2006 07:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Frank have you heard any other Sugababes albums? I think Three is a stronger album than Angels With Dirty Faces, though I've yet to hear the new one.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 9 February 2006 07:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I am now trying to think of ways to work Apoptygma Berzerk's 'Shine On' into this thread. Cos it needs to be...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 9 February 2006 11:19 (eighteen years ago) link

>I'm sorely tempted to go, for the Coil, I mean. Has anyone seen them?)<

Yep! Saw them open for Moonspell at late lamented L'Amours in Brooklyn maybe four or so years ago. Four monkish looking guys, banging heads in unsion, with a beautiful Italian girl up front. Much more fun live than Evanescence (whose US audience I still hope Lacuna Coil get, but I'd be surprised if they do.) By the way, Ian, if you like Lacuna Coil, you should really check out the Gathering sometime as well. They're still the genre template as far as I'm concerned. I list a bunch of other such bands upthread, but my latest obsessions in the genre are unsigned bands Persepone's Dream from Pittshburg and Twelfth of Never from Massechusetts, both of whom I discovered via cbbaby and I discuss on the metal thread.

xhuxk, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

No, "monkish" was wrong. More like "wizardish." In long matching robes and everything.

xhuxk, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Also more like "Persophone's Dream," "Pittsburgh," "cdbaby," and, um, however you spell the state with Boston in it.

xhuxk, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

> Frank's assertion regarding Curve's goth cred<

Where did Frank make this assertion? I missed it. (Weren't they a shoegaze band, though?)

xhuxk, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

'Taking Back What's Mine' - used on the legally blonde soundtrack and thus IN MY HEAD for the past couple of days.

Abby (abby mcdonald), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I was annoyed that Kelly Clarkson sang "Because of You" on the Garmmys and not "Behind These Hazel Eyes."

Oh and the new Pink single will most likely grow on me. Saw the video for it. Girl power, bitches.

Je4nne ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link


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