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yeah well david hume is dead and malcolm rifkind and bobby g are down in london, it's not his fault the scottish media are desparate for someone to hype up as an intellectual

also scotland undoubtedly wins the battle of the p-nevs

nakhchivan, Friday, 28 October 2011 11:13 (seven years ago) link

heh xp

nakhchivan, Friday, 28 October 2011 11:13 (seven years ago) link

Pat Nevin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pat Kane

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 28 October 2011 11:15 (seven years ago) link

I also seem to recall Tottenham being 3-0 up at half-time against Manchester United at the Lane in 2001, and losing 5-3. I'm not sure that offers too much hope to QPR fans though?

YOU'RE SHIT

When a German communicates, you listen (LocalGarda), Sunday, 30 October 2011 17:01 (seven years ago) link

Give soldiers Alan Hansen's wages
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055292/BBC-pundit-Alan-Hansen-rakes-40k-Match-Day-appearance.html

Number None, Monday, 31 October 2011 11:56 (seven years ago) link

£40,000 a week for spending Saturday afternoon sitting down watching football? Who does he think he is? Denilson?

James Mitchell, Monday, 31 October 2011 11:59 (seven years ago) link

A+

Number None, Monday, 31 October 2011 12:00 (seven years ago) link

eight months pass...

So Lee Dixon is off to ITV allegedly

Number None, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 21:04 (seven years ago) link

What do you all think of the World Football podcast with Dotun Atebayo, Tim Vickery and others?

The Merch Seat (admrl), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 23:16 (seven years ago) link

well then

The Merch Seat (admrl), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 23:46 (seven years ago) link

I love the world football phone in. Dotun and Tim Vickery are ace. I wish they had European football experts on more often tho.

kid steel (cajunsunday), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 11:20 (seven years ago) link

four months pass...

the bbc previewing everything when they have no commercial breaks is maddening. we're already watching.

― zvookster, Thursday, 27 October 2011

they skipped this part this week, with lineker explaining it using logic that would hold any week

zvookster, Sunday, 18 November 2012 23:33 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

Colin Murray is to be dropped as the Match of the Day 2 presenter next season.

Murray, who has anchored the Sunday highlights show for two years since Adrian Chiles moved to ITV, is to be replaced by rising BBC star Mark Chapman.

He is regarded as a more suitable host for a programme that increasingly features the most important Premier League matches of the weekend.

It is understood that the Ulsterman had also irritated a number of BBC football pundits by the way he criticised players.

Alan Hansen sneeringly told Murray on one occasion that he should leave the negative comments to the experts.

Chapman will be expected to ask Hansen and Co more questions rather than giving his own opinions as Murray preferred to do in his irreverent presenter's role.

moët plaudit (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 00:03 (six years ago) link

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44918000/jpg/_44918046_-30.jpg
So, Alan, do you think Lennon went down easily there?

Stop Gerrying Me! (onimo), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 00:14 (six years ago) link

so it is possible to get fired from MOTD. Not if you're an ex-pro though obviously

Number None, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 00:45 (six years ago) link

Fucking hell. Hansen once bothered with motd2?

I hope Murray goes ham for the rest of the season, spraying irreverence around like Tony Montana

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 07:28 (six years ago) link

Alan Hansen sneeringly told Murray on one occasion that he should leave the negative comments to the experts.

No great fan of Colin Murray, but this is total shite.

ailsa, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 08:46 (six years ago) link

i used to be a fan of Hansen. but for years he's been dead to me, probably dead to himself.

non-elitist melted poo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 08:50 (six years ago) link

I don't get the mentality though. Even if you took the view that people not getting on is a bad thing, contrary to the first rule of television aiui, you get rid of the upbeat guy?!

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 09:39 (six years ago) link

it's all about access. professionals probably have the closest links to those still within the game and the administrative bodies, plus a natural disinclination to frivolity and taking the piss. the old "if you weren't there you know nothing and your opinion is worthless" attitude is rife, which means that potato-brains like Shearer can still comfortably ignore the opinion of anybody who doesn't belong to the profession no matter how ill-formed and unexamined his own opinions might be. to be a top flight football reporter you either learn the appropriate deference or get another job.

i mean ailsa's right, Murray is a clown, but if the alternative is an increasingly blanded out Official Version then i'm on the side of the clowns tbh. i've noticed increasing antagonism between the pros and the punters on 606 and shows of its ilk lately. and okay, a lot of punters are ignorant idiots, but if you think playing professionally automatically elevates you above the realm of ignorant idiot then you probably haven't really listened to most of the shite ex-pros spout.

you jelly like bitter lemon (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 09:50 (six years ago) link

it's the same response you get from some writers, musicians, artists towards critics, an unfounded dismissal of the right to criticise based on professional credentials that ignores the amount of bollocks spouted by both sides

you jelly like bitter lemon (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 09:52 (six years ago) link

There's something really painful and cringeworthy about Murray's attempts to ingratiate himself though, I'll be glad when he's gone.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 09:53 (six years ago) link

Murray's terrible, but these smug morons need an irritant in amongst them more often

you jelly like bitter lemon (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 09:55 (six years ago) link

btw, is this Chapman chap an "expert" like Shearer and his ilk? Last time I looked, he was no more a professional footballer than Colin Murray.

ailsa, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 10:15 (six years ago) link

Oh, wait, I missed the bit where he wasn't allowed his own opinion. As you were.

ailsa, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 10:16 (six years ago) link

I don't buy the access thing. It's the BBC ffs, what business can afford to ignore it? I wish it would flex its muscles a bit - risible that it allowed Phelan to front for Ferguson for so long.

Plus it's only football: (i) as long as it has the matches, the rest is just filler; and (ii) a bit of journalistic bias can only help, this isn't Israel/Palestine.

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 10:17 (six years ago) link

Chapman's got a much stronger background in sports broadcasting though.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 10:18 (six years ago) link

Chapman knows his place is what i'm getting at.

Ismael i love your idealism but this is 2013, and sports journalism has always kinda been its own thing

you jelly like bitter lemon (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 10:25 (six years ago) link

"if you weren't there you know nothing and your opinion is worthless" attitude is rife

So otm and my least favourite thing about Gordon Strachan - he has this thing where he goes on about how only "football people" would understand some nuance of the game - like just because millions of us that follow the game but weren't good enough to play it for a living means we don't have a clue about football.

Stop Gerrying Me! (onimo), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 11:00 (six years ago) link

Given that rule would exclude Jose Mourinho I think we can safely say it's bollocks.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 11:12 (six years ago) link

I mean I can understand why the Strachans of this world would take that attitude as well, given the thousands of idiot cunts they must encounter every year telling them how to do their jobs.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 11:14 (six years ago) link

he had a rant once about angry phone-in punters with "cans of Kestrel and DEVIL DUGS"

Stop Gerrying Me! (onimo), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 11:15 (six years ago) link

Classic: Stuart Hall

.... errrrrrrrr

Designated Striver (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 11:55 (six years ago) link

Murray was always typical of the modern BBC whereby any presenter of anything is shunted into "having a go" at anything else, hopefully this puts them off the horrendous music sport crossover.

Chapman is really, really, boring.

Hutton dressed as Lahm (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 12:08 (six years ago) link

Chapman's OK. Didn't mind Murray either.

Designated Striver (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 12:10 (six years ago) link

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2266357/Match-Day-debate--needs-change-close-gap-Sky-Sports.html

Remember when Alan Hansen famously declared that 'you will win nothing with kids' back in August 1995 about Manchester United? Hansen may have been proven wrong but that is exactly the type of thought-provoking, headline grabbing conjecture it needs to regain.

r|t|c, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 12:39 (six years ago) link

Laurie Whitwell

He would probably think it the worst idea initially, but if Paul Scholes could be convinced how valued his opinion would prove I would switch on each week. He knows the game inside out, has played in all manner of situations, and in my eyes is the most talented player Englishman of his generation.

So his insight and knowledge would prove fascinating. He would be able to disect match action with precision and perhaps provide dressing room tidbits. Once he retires for good, of course.

r|t|c, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 12:45 (six years ago) link

best idea

r|t|c, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 12:45 (six years ago) link

valuable insights on picking up the kids, breaking shins with impunity etc

you jelly like bitter lemon (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 12:46 (six years ago) link

if Sky replaced Redknapp with Carragher they'd be unstoppable

Number None, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 12:59 (six years ago) link

I think maybe Carragher would be guilty in the same way Redknapp is about being unwilling to directly criticise people he has to meet on the reg - though I agree Redknapp needs to be replaced with someone. Carragher also says "ay" and "like" too much for my liking but maybe I'm just anti-Scouse.

Stop Gerrying Me! (onimo), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 13:04 (six years ago) link

How did Gary Neville get the Sky Main Man gig? I don't recall him being particularly brilliant settee-fodder, if he even did it that much, so how did Sky know that this was the guy who'd make everything alright - was he pitching to them relentlessly, winning merits at presenting school, or what?

Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 13:57 (six years ago) link

he only really did the settee stuff when he was a player. his shrewdness in seeing the opportunity for real insight and having the cojones to take it is as admirable as the quality of his punditry.

He would probably think it the worst idea initially, but if Paul Scholes could be convinced how valued his opinion would prove I would switch on each week. He knows the game inside out, has played in all manner of situations, and in my eyes is the most talented player Englishman of his generation.

So his insight and knowledge would prove fascinating. He would be able to disect match action with precision and perhaps provide dressing room tidbits. Once he retires for good, of course.

he oozes charisma too. scholes and giggs for motd2.

Hutton dressed as Lahm (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 14:05 (six years ago) link

sky thought hey this will be lolz and then it backfired

r|t|c, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 14:11 (six years ago) link

carra's just going to be forthright bluster isnt he, he's got the insight of a dustbin lid

r|t|c, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 14:15 (six years ago) link

As far as bbc or itv coverage goes, murray's been several rungs above average.

Love to see hansen on rte, he'd have his lazy arse handed to him pronto. Richie Sadler already twice the analyst.

standard disclaimer applies (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 14:17 (six years ago) link

GNev is excellent, and I wonder why BBC can't find one like him. Out of the gazillions of ex-pros and unemployed managers, there must be several who are knowledgeable and smart and interested, but somehow get overlooked in favour of wannabe personalities like Savage or Wright or boring bastards like Shearer and Owen.

btw, if yous all want Pat Nevin back, you can have him.

ailsa, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 14:19 (six years ago) link

The bbc don't want anyone like gnev, they'd have to get rid of everyone else and that might piss someone off

Dixon, keown and a couple others have been good on motd2 when i catch it

standard disclaimer applies (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 14:24 (six years ago) link

Dixon jumped to ITV.

Stop Gerrying Me! (onimo), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 14:27 (six years ago) link


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