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blimey, i'd always assumed that little indie wanker was off limits round here

I do like him, but he's a bit of a dull pundit. He can't be too happy at being ghettoed into Scottish football, he was never particularly associated with it in his heyday as I recall it. Could do with slating some big names again to boost the profile a bit.

In 2010 Nevin signed as a non-playing substitute for new club Chester FC after Colin Murray of BBC Radio 5 live offered the new club £2,000 if they named Nevin and Perry Groves as unused substitutes at every game in the 2010-11 season.This was live on 'Kicking off with Colin Murray', a show Nevin has appeared on every week since the start of the 2009/10 season. Nevin is usually beaten by ex-Arsenal player Perry Groves in the weekly quiz.

I take that back, this is high-level stuff.

wherever there is talk of useless pundits perry groves' name is sure to be found

Kevin. Gallagher.

Makes Craig Burley seem insightful. Has a really annoying rising inflection thing going that makes everything he says sound like it's coming as a surprise to him. Horrible Anglo-Scottish vaaaaaooooouuuuuuwel sounds.

idk pat nevin /is/ pretty innocuous, you can't just pretend he's some infernal lamacq/barton indie/fitba hybrid banter legend when he's just a nice little chap who maybe liked the cocteau twins

Dude, he shoehorns Camera Obscura lyrics into his punditry. He's also a contentious wee fud who likes the sound of his own voice too much and rewrites history with nary a challenge from any of the morons who share studio space with him because they are all frightened of his massive intellect (i.e. has read a book once).

I've met him a couple of times, he seems an OK chap, tbh, but his presence as some sort of intellectual demigod in the Scottish media is kind of terrifying.

Tom OTM about Kevin Gallagher, btw.

his presence as some sort of intellectual demigod in the Scottish media is kind of terrifying

tbf to the wee man it does not take much to become an intellectual demigod in the Scottish media

yeah well david hume is dead and malcolm rifkind and bobby g are down in london, it's not his fault the scottish media are desparate for someone to hype up as an intellectual

also scotland undoubtedly wins the battle of the p-nevs

heh xp

Pat Nevin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pat Kane

I also seem to recall Tottenham being 3-0 up at half-time against Manchester United at the Lane in 2001, and losing 5-3. I'm not sure that offers too much hope to QPR fans though?

YOU'RE SHIT

Give soldiers Alan Hansen's wages
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055292/BBC-pundit-Alan-Hansen-rakes-40k-Match-Day-appearance.html

£40,000 a week for spending Saturday afternoon sitting down watching football? Who does he think he is? Denilson?

A+

So Lee Dixon is off to ITV allegedly

What do you all think of the World Football podcast with Dotun Atebayo, Tim Vickery and others?

After listening to this hybrid of hip-hop and garage music, I wanted to kill someone

well then

I love the world football phone in. Dotun and Tim Vickery are ace. I wish they had European football experts on more often tho.

the bbc previewing everything when they have no commercial breaks is maddening. we're already watching.

― zvookster, Thursday, 27 October 2011

they skipped this part this week, with lineker explaining it using logic that would hold any week

Colin Murray is to be dropped as the Match of the Day 2 presenter next season.

Murray, who has anchored the Sunday highlights show for two years since Adrian Chiles moved to ITV, is to be replaced by rising BBC star Mark Chapman.

He is regarded as a more suitable host for a programme that increasingly features the most important Premier League matches of the weekend.

It is understood that the Ulsterman had also irritated a number of BBC football pundits by the way he criticised players.

Alan Hansen sneeringly told Murray on one occasion that he should leave the negative comments to the experts.

Chapman will be expected to ask Hansen and Co more questions rather than giving his own opinions as Murray preferred to do in his irreverent presenter's role.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44918000/jpg/_44918046_-30.jpg
So, Alan, do you think Lennon went down easily there?

so it is possible to get fired from MOTD. Not if you're an ex-pro though obviously

Fucking hell. Hansen once bothered with motd2?

I hope Murray goes ham for the rest of the season, spraying irreverence around like Tony Montana

Alan Hansen sneeringly told Murray on one occasion that he should leave the negative comments to the experts.

No great fan of Colin Murray, but this is total shite.

i used to be a fan of Hansen. but for years he's been dead to me, probably dead to himself.

I don't get the mentality though. Even if you took the view that people not getting on is a bad thing, contrary to the first rule of television aiui, you get rid of the upbeat guy?!

it's all about access. professionals probably have the closest links to those still within the game and the administrative bodies, plus a natural disinclination to frivolity and taking the piss. the old "if you weren't there you know nothing and your opinion is worthless" attitude is rife, which means that potato-brains like Shearer can still comfortably ignore the opinion of anybody who doesn't belong to the profession no matter how ill-formed and unexamined his own opinions might be. to be a top flight football reporter you either learn the appropriate deference or get another job.

i mean ailsa's right, Murray is a clown, but if the alternative is an increasingly blanded out Official Version then i'm on the side of the clowns tbh. i've noticed increasing antagonism between the pros and the punters on 606 and shows of its ilk lately. and okay, a lot of punters are ignorant idiots, but if you think playing professionally automatically elevates you above the realm of ignorant idiot then you probably haven't really listened to most of the shite ex-pros spout.

it's the same response you get from some writers, musicians, artists towards critics, an unfounded dismissal of the right to criticise based on professional credentials that ignores the amount of bollocks spouted by both sides

There's something really painful and cringeworthy about Murray's attempts to ingratiate himself though, I'll be glad when he's gone.

Murray's terrible, but these smug morons need an irritant in amongst them more often

btw, is this Chapman chap an "expert" like Shearer and his ilk? Last time I looked, he was no more a professional footballer than Colin Murray.

Oh, wait, I missed the bit where he wasn't allowed his own opinion. As you were.

I don't buy the access thing. It's the BBC ffs, what business can afford to ignore it? I wish it would flex its muscles a bit - risible that it allowed Phelan to front for Ferguson for so long.

Plus it's only football: (i) as long as it has the matches, the rest is just filler; and (ii) a bit of journalistic bias can only help, this isn't Israel/Palestine.

Chapman's got a much stronger background in sports broadcasting though.

Chapman knows his place is what i'm getting at.

Ismael i love your idealism but this is 2013, and sports journalism has always kinda been its own thing

"if you weren't there you know nothing and your opinion is worthless" attitude is rife

So otm and my least favourite thing about Gordon Strachan - he has this thing where he goes on about how only "football people" would understand some nuance of the game - like just because millions of us that follow the game but weren't good enough to play it for a living means we don't have a clue about football.

Given that rule would exclude Jose Mourinho I think we can safely say it's bollocks.

I mean I can understand why the Strachans of this world would take that attitude as well, given the thousands of idiot cunts they must encounter every year telling them how to do their jobs.

he had a rant once about angry phone-in punters with "cans of Kestrel and DEVIL DUGS"

Classic: Stuart Hall

.... errrrrrrrr

Murray was always typical of the modern BBC whereby any presenter of anything is shunted into "having a go" at anything else, hopefully this puts them off the horrendous music sport crossover.

Chapman is really, really, boring.

Chapman's OK. Didn't mind Murray either.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2266357/Match-Day-debate--needs-change-close-gap-Sky-Sports.html

Remember when Alan Hansen famously declared that 'you will win nothing with kids' back in August 1995 about Manchester United? Hansen may have been proven wrong but that is exactly the type of thought-provoking, headline grabbing conjecture it needs to regain.

Laurie Whitwell

He would probably think it the worst idea initially, but if Paul Scholes could be convinced how valued his opinion would prove I would switch on each week. He knows the game inside out, has played in all manner of situations, and in my eyes is the most talented player Englishman of his generation.

So his insight and knowledge would prove fascinating. He would be able to disect match action with precision and perhaps provide dressing room tidbits. Once he retires for good, of course.

best idea

valuable insights on picking up the kids, breaking shins with impunity etc

if Sky replaced Redknapp with Carragher they'd be unstoppable

I think maybe Carragher would be guilty in the same way Redknapp is about being unwilling to directly criticise people he has to meet on the reg - though I agree Redknapp needs to be replaced with someone. Carragher also says "ay" and "like" too much for my liking but maybe I'm just anti-Scouse.