Let's talk about Vice Magazine

i'd probably side with vice on this one.

they seemed pretty chilled out about the whole thing. they probably never read any of the times coverage of liberia and most people that were impressed by vice in liberia have never read any coverage of liberia in the times and, hey, i've never read any coverage of liberia in the times.

this is being unfair to david carr, who i'm cool with and despite being pissy all the time makes good points. but, come on, man... they went to liberia, chill out.

they made a crack abt the nyt and they were totally shook by carr putting them in their place

the NYT dude looked like he wanted to shout, "you're right, you're not a fucking journalist you asshole"

― encarta it (Gukbe), Thursday, 27 October 2011 02:24 (8 hours ago) Bookmark

he actually does shout "obviously" at that point iirc

DAVID CARR: If you're a CNN viewer, and you go, "Hmmm. I'm looking at human shit on the beach ..."

SHANE SMITH OF VICE: Well, I've got to tell you one thing: I'm a regular guy and I go to
these places and I go, "Okay, everyone talked to me about cannibalism, right?
Everyone talked about cannibalism." Now I'm getting a lot of shit for talking
about cannibalism. Whatever. Everyone talked to me about cannibalism! ...
That's fucking crazy! So the actual — our audience goes, "That's fucking
insane, like, that's nuts!" And the New York Times, meanwhile, is writing about
surfing, and I'm sitting there going like, "You know what? I'm not going to
talk about surfing, I'm going to talk about cannibalism, because that fucks
me up."

CARR: Just a sec, time out. Before you ever went there, we've had reporters there reporting on genocide after genocide. Just because you put on a fucking safari helmet and looked at some poop doesn't give you the right to insult what we do. So continue.

i wonder if carr's past life falling apart due to cocaine addiction figured in that dynamic, where the vice guys seemed so spineless and belatedly respectful, or if they're just like little kids generally

damn xp

why were the vice guys looking at human feces on a beach? how does that figure into cannibalism? are they going to eat the shit?

sourcing for the gross jar iirc

ha, okay, i guess i didn't catch the part about surfing. carr's line is funnier than i recalled, too.

still, they went to liberia. cut them some slack.

the "so, continue." part is ice cold

Their point was they went to liberia and shot the stuff the NYT didn't, which Carr points out is completely untrue.

^^^

fuck these Vice clowns forever and always

the vice travel stuff is great but idk why theyd want to act like they do nytimes type things better than the nytimes cause thats totally not what theyre up to

those Vice pieces are way exploitative and did a number on what little tourism economy Liberia had before they ran on CNN

not that they're not fun to watch, just irl consequences etc

new york times coverage of genocide after genocide did a number on what little tourism economy liberia.............

vice clowns

is the best Vice Travel thing the DVD. I don't watch videos longer than 2 minutes on my computer

*withholds joke*

The one on the Border Crossing Theme Park in Mexico is really well done.

The North Korea one is half-watchable I guess. Keep the FFWD button handy.

These are all available on NWI fwiw.

The Vice travel shit always read to me as "people going to risky locations and doing journalism in the vein of MTV's Jackass." Which is great because it's relatable to a different audience and not staid, but at the same time, fuck you guys because journalists really do go to the khyber pass or liberia and it's not novel, it's the real fucking world.

The Vice dynamic is pretty much about acting like they're finding something novel in fucked up or random crazy shit in the world, so it's no big surprise. I mean, their main dynamics are "artists doing REAL SHIT" or "real people doing shit that your button-down background finds weird" or "we're acting like this is really transgressive in an interesting way but it's really just racism"

i actually enjoy a lot more shit in vice than i did years ago when i was going all aggro on this thread (they give my hero sam mcpheeters a much-deserved platform so i can't hate too much), but the overall vibe still kinda rubs me the wrong way, and while i guess in the abstract i applaud them getting ambitious, a lot of the travel/"world reporting" stuff definitely has a "bros go slumming in the dank/dangerous/fucked-up parts of the world" edge that rubs me the wrong way.

but i don't think they're ACTING like they're finding something novel. i don't think these guys were following events in liberia for a decade and then decided to go over and see what was really going down. i think they are pretty sincerely completely disconnected from shit like new york times coverage of genocides. they genuinely had their minds blown by seeing people shit on a beach! they're not covering genocides but there's something sorta interesting about these dumbass guys going over there and looking at poop.

Man I watched that "Page One" documentary and it was pretty awesome, but the Vice guys totally got pwned.

yeah that retort by car is an all time ethering

of course part of what's driving carr's anger is not just loyalty to his paper or the facts but the idea that vice isn't an alternative to the foreign bureaus of the nyt, it's what is replacing them and the nyt as we have known it -- basically the theme of the doc.

The Vice travel shit always read to me as "people going to risky locations and doing journalism in the vein of MTV's Jackass." Which is great because it's relatable to a different audience and not staid, but at the same time, fuck you guys because journalists really do go to the khyber pass or liberia and it's not novel, it's the real fucking world.

― avant-garde heterosexuals (mh), Friday, October 28, 2011 12:33 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

The Vice dynamic is pretty much about acting like they're finding something novel in fucked up or random crazy shit in the world, so it's no big surprise. I mean, their main dynamics are "artists doing REAL SHIT" or "real people doing shit that your button-down background finds weird" or "we're acting like this is really transgressive in an interesting way but it's really just racism"

― avant-garde heterosexuals (mh), Friday, October 28, 2011 12:35 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ehhhh

hahah

OK, they put Original Pirate Material out in the US. I'll give 'em that.OK, they put Original Pirate Material out in the US. I'll give 'em that.

if youre in new york can't you see people just shit on the street

yeah that retort by car is an all time ethering

― J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 05:55 (3 hours ago) Bookmark

the guy backs off a lil just after, says something like "well i mean i'm not a journalist" & carr says obviously then carries on

also a good scene because the vice dudes have ridiculous hats & sharp suits and beards

Was that an observation that I made the same post twice basically, because I did. At it was um, during when I should have been asleep.

not sure which "journalism" is more of a stilted, subpar pandering to a niche audience in the battle between NYT and Vice

This shit is so awful it's hardly worth commenting on, except for the glorious punchline at the end:

Follow Clive on Twitter: @thugclive

Oh, Clive...

clive's a lovely guy and one of my colleagues at vice/noisey so quiet yaaaallll

most of that seemed pretty otm to me

and the punchline didn't seem especially glorious

¯\(°_o)/¯

no zombies no credibility

The first point is completely disingenuous - you can't discount the irony of hipster moustaches simply because they come out of the body. Especially when you use a picture of girls wearing fake moustaches to illustrate your point. And suggesting that because there are times and locations in which moustaches are not ironic means that in all times and locations moustaches are not ironic is just idiotic.

The rest of the post is only really discussing that one particular video, so I'm not sure how he can use it to call for a moratorium on all hipster jokes. Essentially he's just telling these people that they're doing it wrong. That doesn't mean everyone is doing it wrong.

Anyway, I used to have a much softer stance on Vice than I do now - I always found it juvenile and crass, but I'd give it a pass because I knew people who wrote for it, and it covered some great bands sometimes, blah blah blah. But it just got too much - increasing Vice-ification of other media and club nights etc etc, it's so fucking depressing to see 'ironic' misogyny literally everywhere. Fuck Vice, and fuck anyone who allows this shit to happen. I don't care if your internship is getting you 'somewhere', you're perpetuating the absolute worst in society and you can go fuck yourself with a rusty chainsaw.

agree with the spirit of this article except imo we should not just be left off the hook; people should make fun of hipsters for being narcissistic aesthetes who don't read books instead of, like, this knowing joke about people who make healthy diet choices and ride bikes

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afaik this hasn't been revealed to be an aberration, or rescinded with promises of a new improved vice: it's just vice. so yes fuck vice, it's indefensible.

xp

new social conservatism same as old social conservatism, just pretends to be hip and with it

bring back William Buckley, his punchlines were at least funnier

the 60s counterculture/marketing machine, at this point in its self-reflective cycle, had moved on a tiny bit, hadn't it? Thinking About This Kinda Stuff feels like for its adherents it's a terminal cultural practice or something, it literally hasn't budged in a decade

He's supposed to be a cynical indie purist-type, who makes fun of The Barenaked Ladies (the blasphemer!)

that Grass Widow review is, like, somebody we know, right?

"your asses"

ugh have always hated these fucking people

Funny about the fixed bike thing, it's the one thing on that list that would most make a dent in society. Popularizing alternatives to an oil-run economy sounds like a good thing to me, no matter how cliquey it gets. Why hate on it?